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France is not an ally. If france was an ally, we would have got joint production of rafale and it would be already flying in iaf in numbers. All france deals are commercial, not strategic. The reason is simple. Russia needs india. France does not need india.

I understand why France or any other country would be resistant to give tech to India. Defence is an area where industrial secrets are jealously guarded. However despite what posters say, India will always suffer from a mismatch between financial resources and needs. The population is big and...

Oh really! I do not think so. France represents very high risk in future. Defence cooperation in the past is not a pointer to the future. Most programs with France are struggling, specially where collaboration on tech is involved.

Wow! Goddam WIKI warrior. This is how people like you operate. Did you pass your exams??

Is there a great advantage in making wild claims. Aero engines are the most well guarded industrial secret. It is more sensitive than missile technology.

@Gessler is just a [edited] person. I have told 100 times already the basic fact that the information used for making a decision on MMRCA IS NOT PUBLIC. You cannot question government decisions since you simply do not know.

The issue is not my knowledge, the issue is knowledge of so called experts here, and their foreign cheerleaders. Evaluating a fighter aircraft is not a child's job. And military information is rarely in public domain.

@Gessler, I am extremely concerned about you. If you are on defence boards at 15 years of age (not even completed class X), then you are hiding something, probably your age and identity both. The issue being discussed is very serious. India has very strict rules about information leakage. Since...

What IAF has done in its selection procedure is not public knowledge. How can you discuss when you do not know?? This matter is for government to decide, not by some bloggers here.

@Gessler, (the profile says age 19 years) knows everything about Rafale, MKI, contract inside out. This is the beauty of this forum and discussion. Reality is more like only a few people know and understand what has happened, and it is not in public domain. A lot of arguments can be presented...

The biggest difficulty is that an IAF officer makes a comment and gets away with it. The poor minister cannot even respond, first due to oath of secrecy, and second due to prudence. Delays in arms deal is not something new to India. It has been happening since long, but never such rebellions...

Rafale salesmen are fighting a very public war on internet on specs, and challenging government decisions in public rather than discuss these issues internally. Public neither understands nor able to verify what is said on these internet forums. It is hard to tell who is telling the truth and...

@abingdonboy, take your frustrations to A K Antony who sat on Rafale for three years. This government is not responsible for what happened in MMRCA selection or award of contract. This should be absolutely clear. The government has been very explicit about what it wants. There is no confusion...

India has a full volunteer military. Goddam resign and run. Stop with your BS right now. What squadron depletion? The kind of insubordination this govt. is facing, it will get very ugly and soon.

You are absolutely wrong. The fact is that PM and DM should not listen to IAF and drop Rafale completely. The French are simply scre**** India. Unfortunately our political leaders are too soft towards military.

France is a regular supplier to Pakistan. Any agreement with India did not stop that. The problem for Pakistan is money, not French denial. If Saudi pays, Rafales will rain on Islamabad. I shall celebrate.

My God, a superpower getting defeated by 0.5. USA already got 5. You are waiting for 4.5?? Umma ki bezti go gayi!

What happened to China's super duper 5++ generation fighters?? Not good enough for superpower Pakistan??

Oh sorry! Looks like Uncle wont give you F-22. As India has become a better Chamcha. Here goes the superpower dream.

You guys should buy F-22 and F-35. Why stuck with 4++. Pakistan will soon be a superpower.