Aryan Invasion Hypothesis

Param · Jan 16, 2012

SHURIDH said:
many south indian belives aryan invansion theory

LurkerBaba · Jan 16, 2012

Param said:
Not all are South Indians.

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Param said:

That's quite funny, since BR Ambedkar completely rejected the "Aryan Theory"

utubekhiladi · Jan 16, 2012

LurkerBaba said:
That's quite funny, since BR Ambedkar completely rejected the "Aryan Theory"

he was an complete idiot.

TTCUSM · Jan 16, 2012

TTCUSM · Jan 16, 2012

utubekhiladi said:
he was an complete idiot.

In what way was he an idiot?

warriorextreme · Jan 16, 2012

utubekhiladi said:
he was an complete idiot.

i was born as a brahmin and i do not find Ambedkar idiot or wrong at all...he was right... brahmin ancestors have screwed vedic religion for their petty selfishness....brahmins which were considered lower than kshatriyas wanted to be on top and they achieved it by evil means...and organisations like sambhaji brigade are doing same with maratha community...just another brahminism.

LETHALFORCE · Jan 16, 2012

warriorextreme said:
i was born as a brahmin and i do not find Ambedkar idiot or wrong at all...he was right... brahmin ancestors have screwed vedic religion for their petty selfishness....brahmins which were considered lower than kshatriyas wanted to be on top and they achieved it by evil means...and organisations like sambhaji brigade are doing same with maratha community...just another brahminism.

It is very easy to blame 2% of the population while forgetting contributions by Chanakya,Guru Granth Sahib and others. Brahmins(and kshatriyas, others)must have done something for the religion to exist after all the invasions?? (from a fellow Brahmin)

warriorextreme · Jan 16, 2012

LETHALFORCE said:
It is very easy to blame 2% of the population while forgetting contributions by Chanakya,Guru banda and others. Brahmins(and kshatriyas, others)must have done something for the religion to exist after all the invasions?? (from a fellow Brahmin)

i am not talking about brahmins during chanakyas time...brhamins were still protected by kshatriyas during his time....i am talking about puranic period when vedic concepts were destroyed...

utubekhiladi · Jan 16, 2012

TTCUSM said:
In what way was he an idiot?

warriorextreme said:
i was born as a brahmin and i do not find Ambedkar idiot or wrong at all...he was right... brahmin ancestors have screwed vedic religion for their petty selfishness....brahmins which were considered lower than kshatriyas wanted to be on top and they achieved it by evil means...and organisations like sambhaji brigade are doing same with maratha community...just another brahminism.

i have to start a new thread to justify why i call him as idiot.

@warriorextreme,

that's not the reason why i called him as idiot.

LETHALFORCE · Jan 16, 2012

warriorextreme said:
i am not talking about brahmins during chanakyas time...brhamins were still protected by kshatriyas during his time....i am talking about puranic period when vedic concepts were destroyed...

you can blame much of this from the division of hinduism into different branches , other Abrahmic faiths do not have this issue with one central figure as the head of the religion doing all the interpretations (from one book).

shuvo@y2k10 · Jan 16, 2012

aryan invasion theory was a complete crap.it has no scientific or archaeological evidence whatsoever even at the time it was proposed.now at the age of gene mapping it is a complete piece of trash.baba ambedkar,jawaharlal nehru,mahatma gandhi were great thinkers who did a great deal for the dalit community.but i beleive their idea to introduce caste based reservations is wrong.because our goal should be to completeley eradicate caste system from hindu and other indian religion.but the caste based reservations in the long run will do more harm than good as it is already creating a lot of emnity but upper and lower caste.in the long run this could lead to a reverse caste structure where bhramins will be at bottom of caste pyramid and dalits will be a the top.also very few people from backward communities can avail these reservations and they mostly belong to rich backward class people and poor backward caste people and tribals do not make use of reservation.thus the very idea of our constitution which is to ensure equality will not be realised in the long run and we will become another pakistan where there will be a lot of sectarian violence.

warriorextreme · Jan 16, 2012

LETHALFORCE said:
you can blame much of this from the division of hinduism into different branches for this, other Abrahmic faiths do not have this issue with one central figure as the head of the religion doing all the interpretations (from one book).

vedas also have one central figure and does not approve of avtars and prophets....which actually is better.....but puranas you see destroyed vedic religion...it is not the point of discussion actually but it also has to do with AIT....because all of this started when sanskrit words were misinterpreted by so called scholars..

Param · Jan 16, 2012

LurkerBaba said:
That's quite funny, since BR Ambedkar completely rejected the "Aryan Theory"

Is that the only thing he rejected?

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warriorextreme · Jan 16, 2012

utubekhiladi said:
i have to start a new thread to justify why i call him as idiot.

@warriorextreme,

that's not the reason why i called him as idiot.

i actually would like to know your views

Tamil Arasan · Jan 16, 2012

Aryan Invasion theory is a myth created by the British to divide India, and also to make us believe what ever we have today came from west and none belongs to this land...

The person who gave life & form to this Aryan Invasion theory was Lord Macaulay and he once sent a letter to UK stating - below are the few contents of that letter :-

"I do not think we would ever conquer this country unless we break the very backbone of this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural heritage..."

"I have travelled across the length and breadth of India and I have not seen one person who is a beggar, who is a thief. Such wealth I have seen in this country, such high moral values, people of such caliber that I do not think we would ever conquer this country unless we break the very backbone of this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural heritage, and therefore I propose that we replace her old and ancient education system, her culture, for if the Indians think that all that is foreign and English is good and greater than their own, they will lose their self esteem, their native culture, and they will become what we want them, a truly dominated nation."

Param · Jan 16, 2012

Anatolian hypothesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Anatolian hypothesis proposes that the dispersal of Proto-Indo-Europeans originated in Neolithic Anatolia. The hypothesis suggests that the speakers of the Proto-Indo-European language (PIE) lived in Anatolia during the Neolithic era, and associates the distribution of historical Indo-European languages with the expansion during the Neolithic revolution during the seventh and sixth millennia BC. The alternative and more academically favored view is the Kurgan hypothesis.

The main proponent of the Anatolian hypothesis was Colin Renfrew, who in 1987 suggested a peaceful Indo-Europeanization of Europe from Anatolia from around 7000 BC with the advance of farming by demic diffusion ("wave of advance"). Accordingly, most of the inhabitants of Neolithic Europe would have spoken Indo-European languages, and later migrations would at best have replaced these Indo-European varieties with other Indo-European varieties.[1]

TTCUSM · Jan 16, 2012

Tamil Arasan said:
"I have travelled across the length and breadth of India and I have not seen one person who is a beggar, who is a thief. Such wealth I have seen in this country, such high moral values, people of such caliber that I do not think we would ever conquer this country unless we break the very backbone of this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural heritage, and therefore I propose that we replace her old and ancient education system, her culture, for if the Indians think that all that is foreign and English is good and greater than their own, they will lose their self esteem, their native culture, and they will become what we want them, a truly dominated nation."

TA,

This quote is most likely a fabrication. It does not appear anywhere in Macaulay's original speech.

Param · Jan 16, 2012

Andronovo culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Andronovo and Indo-Iranians

The Andronovo culture is strongly associated with the Indo-Iranians and is often credited with the invention of the spoke-wheeled chariot around 2000 BCE.[3]. Andronovo culture is also notable for regional advances in metallurgy.[1]

Sintashta is a site on the upper Ural River. It is famed for its grave-offerings, particularly chariot burials. These inhumations were in kurgans and included all or parts of animals (horse and dog) deposited into the barrow. Sintashta is often pointed to as the premier proto-Indo-Iranian site, and it is conjectured that the language spoken was still in the Proto-Indo-Iranian stage.[4] There are similar sites "in the Volga-Ural steppe".[5]

Based on its use by Indo-Aryans in Mitanni and Vedic India, its prior absence in the Near East and Harappan India, and its 16th–17th century BCE attestation at the Andronovo site of Sintashta, Kuzmina (1994) argues that the chariot corroborates the identification of Andronovo as Indo-Iranian. Klejn (1974) and Brentjes (1981) find the Andronovo culture much too late for an Indo-Iranian identification since chariot-wielding Aryans appear in Mitanni by the 15th to 16th century BCE. However, Anthony & Vinogradov (1995) dated a chariot burial at Krivoye Lake to around 2000 BCE.[7]

LETHALFORCE · Jan 16, 2012

I sometimes wonder if Aryan created and brought the caste system to India why it exists all over India ?? Even in the South (where dravidians are majority??)

Tamil Arasan · Jan 16, 2012

TTCUSM said:
TA,

This quote is most likely a fabrication. It does not appear anywhere in Macaulay's original speech.

Fabrication or erection i am least bothered...but it is proven scientifically that the Aryan theory is wrong, also the theory was professed more then 150 years back with out much scientific backing and most of the analysis are based on hypothesis - and hypothesis can go wrong and that is the case with Aryan Invasion theory....

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