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Bharat Forge The Kalyani Group 155mm of 45cal..

Ashoke Layland JV with KMW






Army Guide - DONAR AGM, Self-propelled howitzer

bengalraider said:

As of now the TATA 8x8 and electronics are being assembled in India and then sent to South Africa for integration with the gun, the total system is right now competing with worldwide artillery companies for a contract by the Indonesian military.The gun is the same as the DENEL T5-52 CONDOR that was developed initially in the nineties keeping India in mind.
As per my conversation with the TATA team they are trying to pressurize the GOI into letting the artillery division of DENEL free from the ban the logic being that no wrongdoing was detected in the arty tender by DENEL.

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TATA & DENEL JV On Wheeled SPGH..

@Kunal and others

Do not scare away Bakistan with those scarry photos. They will be forces to have real ones...
what is operational roles for ?

SP Guns
Motorised Guns
Mounted Guns
Towed Guns
Howitzers / Mortars
Rocket Arty
How do these fit into needs of Indian border configurations and infrastructure and India's need for securing national interests including by amphibious and airborne operations ??

Bhadra said:

@Kunal and others

Do not scare away Bakistan with those scarry photos. They will be forces to have real ones...
what is operational roles for ?

SP Guns
Motorised Guns
Mounted Guns
Towed Guns
Howitzers / Mortars
Rocket Arty
How do these fit into needs of Indian border configurations and infrastructure and India's need for securing national interests including by amphibious and airborne operations ??

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@Bhadra,

Can you do anything abt it ? i cant, Because of lunatics i am not going to waste my time and resource, rather try to do better what i do every day, I hope you got my point, carry on..

i think 105mm sp artillery mounted on a truck will be a good addition for bsf,itbp,ssb,crpf and also para regiment .these artillery can be mass produced and provide a good long range weapon to these forces which they desperately need.as far as army goes i think they should standardize 155mm caliber.155mm 45 caliber towed will be provided by ofb from the tot drawings of fh-77 bofors.as for 52caliber towed kalyani group and arde project seems to be a good choice.and 52 caliber tracked and wheeled the projects of ashok leyland,mahindra,tata all seems to be a good replacement for bhim project.

Also one more small addition to what Kunal has posted, the chassis for the ARZU will be the upgraded ARJUN MK2 chassis, with better driver comfort and an uprated engine!

bengalraider said:

As of now the TATA 8x8 and electronics are being assembled in India and then sent to South Africa for integration with the gun, the total system is right now competing with worldwide artillery companies for a contract by the Indonesian military.The gun is the same as the DENEL T5-52 CONDOR that was developed initially in the nineties keeping India in mind.
As per my conversation with the TATA team they are trying to pressurize the GOI into letting the artillery division of DENEL free from the ban the logic being that no wrongdoing was detected in the arty tender by DENEL.

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So this derivative of the T5-52, will it be for the 180-200 Wheeled SPH or as some say for the 814 Truck Mounted Howitzers?Is TATA also going to tie up with Denel for G5-52 for Towed Gun, G6-52 for Wheeled SPH and T6-52 Turret on Arjun or T-72 for Tracked SPH.

I hope the Army selects Towed and Mounted systems based on each other for example if T5 gets selected then G5 if TRAJAN then CAESAR and same for the Wheeled and Tracked SPH.

this only goes 2000 meters ??

Direct fire with Line of Sight..

2000 meters..

seems we are not getting any foreign stuff, IA has to be happy with home made stuff only

MoD plans to invest Rs 15k cr in ordnance firm

Sending a strong signal to foreign arms suppliers often accused of adopting short cuts to bag lucrative military contracts, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) for the first time has invoked "integrity pact" to recover Rs 244 crore from Israel Military Industries (IMI) before blacklisting the company on corruption charges.


In 2007, the IMI emerged as the supplier of technology to produce bi modular charge system – a propellent required for ammunition – in India's latest ordnance factory that was to come up at Nalanda at a cost of Rs 2,160 crore.

But, with allegations of corruption flying thick, the MoD on March 5 blacklisted IMI along with five other military firms.

Before blacklisting, the ministry invoked integrity pact to recover Rs 244 crore, clearly conveying to the arms lobby that "breach of contract terms" would not be tolerated, said an official. Almost six years ago, the defence ministry introduced integrity pact as an integral part of all defence deals worth Rs 100 crore and offset contracts worth more than Rs 300 crore. The aim was to remove any scope for foul play in high worth arms deals.

After reviewing the performance of ordnance factory board, Defence Minister A K Antony on Monday decided to pump in Rs 15,764 crore in the OFB over the next five years to upgrade its manufacturing and production capability.

Significantly, high investment in the OFB in the 12th Plan signals the government's definitive shift towards self-reliance and gradually reducing dependence on foreign arms supplies.

Some of the major OFB projects approved include a Rs 971-crore scheme to augment production capacity of T-90 tanks from the present 100 tanks to 140 tanks at Heavy Vehicles Factory at Avadi, Tamil Nadu; a Rs 378-crore project to produce large calibre artillery guns and a Rs 378-crore plan to manufacture spares for T-72 and T-90 tanks.

With no artillery purchase since the Bofors contract, the OFB claims to have developed long range artillery guns based on the original technology transfer agreement from Bofors.

The home-made guns are under trials and OFB plans to make 300 of them by 2015, sources said.

For the ammunition propellant, the defence ministry planned to set up a new ordnance factory at Nalanda as the proposal was in limbo for the last 11 years after the ministry blacklisted two foreign firms which were to transfer the crucial technology.

New outfit

The Nalanda ordnance factory was likely to become operational this year, an official said, adding that the pilot batch of bimodular charge systems had been assembled at ordnance factory in association with Defence research and development organisation and would be offered to Army for trials shortly.

The plant for bulk production will be set up by OFB using indigenous resources at half the cost proposed by foreign companies. The defence ministry relied on two foreign suppliers for the technology – South African firm Denel, whose subsidiary Somchem was to provide the technology, and subsequently IMI. But it blacklisted both following corruption charges.

Govt acts on General VK Singh's complaint, fast-tracks acquisition of weapons - The Times of India

The meeting "expressed satisfaction'' at the progress of procurement cases for the 4th regiment of the BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles at a cost of Rs 4,100 crore and two regiments of the Pinaka multi-barrel rocket launchers for Rs 2,136 crore.

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BHEL may make 'Bofors-equivalent' guns for the Army

Even as the Bofors gun scandal continues to haunt India years after it was unearthed during the 1980s, the good news is that these guns may soon be produced at home. The country's largest power equipment manufacturer, state-owned Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd (BHEL), which is already
making supplies of 76 mm and 127-mm guns to the Indian Navy, said it was looking at producing "Bofors-equivalent field guns for the Indian Army" with appropriate technology selection by the ministry of defence (MoD).

"After our successful stint with the Indian Navy to supply guns for ships, we are now in talks with the defence ministry to manufacture Bofors-equivalent field guns for the Indian Army," BP Rao, CMD, BHEL, told Hindustan Times.

"Depending on the technology they (MoD) select, we area ready to manufacture these guns at our Haridwar factory where we have a separate manufacturing set up for guns," said Rao.

Rao clarified that BHEL may not be the only one to manufacture such specialised guns as companies such as Mahindra and L&T were also in the race for the same.

Talks in this regard were at initial stages, a senior defence ministry official said, confirming that efforts were on to produce such guns indigenously.

Field guns or howitzers are identified by barrel diametre. The specifications for the Bofors-type howitzers is 155x45 mm, which means a barrel with a diametre of 155 and length, which is 45 times the diameter. Such guns can fire a shell up to 30 km.

While there has been no purchase of such guns since the Bofors controversy broke out in the 1980s, the government has been in talks for procuring the highest version of the 155x52-mm calibre guns.

Moreover, the recent offset policy of the ministry of defence will help in indianisation of such specialised guns produced using foreign technology, said Rao. "With the announcement of 30% technology transfer under the policy, foreign vendors would be forced to share the technology to meet such commitments."

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:: Bharat-Rakshak.com - Indian Military News Headlines ::

Kunal Biswas said:

BHEL may make 'Bofors-equivalent' guns for the Army



:: Bharat-Rakshak.com - Indian Military News Headlines ::

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Where were they sleeping for so many years ... ?
I find it amazing that so many Indian companies are suddenly claiming expertise in making Guns ? Where were Indian Army Artillery and these companies hibernating so long ??
OK make then, but do not take ten years. Let us have a 155mm competition .

sayareakd said:

this only goes 2000 meters ??

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Bizarre!

The RFI SMLE .303 had a range of 2,000 yards (1,800 m), as per the rear sight graduations, and were later reduced to 800 m in the RFI SMLE 7.62mm NATO.

Ok now this happens to be one of my favourite threads & has been idle for a while, so something to warm up all u guys ...

As the wait for modern ultralight howitzers gets longer, the Army has apparently decided to arm its two new mountain divisions on the Indo-China border with the old generation 105 light field guns (LFGs).

The Gun Carriage Factory (GCF) at Jabalpur has bagged an order to supply over 150 units of 105-LFGs to the Army over a period of three years starting from May 2010. A source in the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), who was part of the deal, said the order has been hiked on account of increased deployment on the eastern front.
He added that the 155mm ultra light howitzers, which the Army has been scouting for since 2007, would have been the ideal choice as LFGs have now become an obsolete weapon system. The 105 LFGs have a range of 18km while a howitzer covers over double the distance.

A senior official at GCF Jabalpur said that the order was received in 2010 and so far 100 pieces have been delivered. Another 50 are expected to be dispatched this year. The source confirmed that this was the biggest order in the recent past.

The LFG is derived from the 105 Indian field gun (IFG), developed over three decades ago. Experts say that given the changing scenario, howitzers would be a better option than a field gun. However, procurement of the guns has been mired in controversy.

More - Army's new mountain divisions to get light field guns instead of howitzers - Times Of India

Ordnance Factory Board

Saumyasupraik said:

So this derivative of the T5-52, will it be for the 180-200 Wheeled SPH or as some say for the 814 Truck Mounted Howitzers?Is TATA also going to tie up with Denel for G5-52 for Towed Gun, G6-52 for Wheeled SPH and T6-52 Turret on Arjun or T-72 for Tracked SPH.

I hope the Army selects Towed and Mounted systems based on each other for example if T5 gets selected then G5 if TRAJAN then CAESAR and same for the Wheeled and Tracked SPH.

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DENEL is banned right now , as long as DENEL remains banned these TATA gun systems are not going to vie for Indian orders and are only going to be for export, the truck mounted unit is on offer to Indonesia.

Finally...

Kunal Biswas [IMG said:

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sir why its rage only 2 k.m.