INSAS Indian Small Arms System

sayareakd said:

what is the range of the UBGL ????

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For M203
Effective range 150 m
maximum range 400m
as per the info from Wikipedia.

sayareakd said:

Lots of option including starting Defenc Forum India stall for membership.

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Wow, that's a great idea, Mate !! I surely will be there !

Yatharth Singh said:

For M203
Effective range 150 m
maximum range 400m
as per the info from Wikipedia.

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last para is important.

Whoa

How is it no one took a picture of that board.

Look behind the Gun guys , you can clearly see the F-INSAS systems , including the gun. Which appears to have
*bullpup design
*Under Barrel grenade launcher
*Standard Scope sights
*laser range finder

it also clearly shows that the gun is being developed by

*Armament Research & Development Establishment (ARDE)

a laboratory of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). Located in Pune, it is the main DRDO lab involved in the development of Conventional Armaments.

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*High Energy Materials Research Laboratory (HEMRL)

a laboratory of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). Located in Pune, its main function is the research and development of technologies and products in the area of High Energy Materials and Explosive materials. HEMRL is organized under the Armaments Directorate of DRDO. The present director of HEMRL is Dr. A. Subhananda Rao.

HEMRL has a core strength of 1200 personnel, comprising chemists, physicists, mathematicians, chemical, mechanical and electronic engineers. It is recognised as a postgraduate centre for basic and applied research and is an ISO-9001:2000 certified laboratory.

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*Defence Metallurgical Research Laboratory (DMRL)

a laboratory of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). Located in Defence Research Complex, Kanchanbagh, Hyderabad, it is responsible for the development and manufacture of complex metals and materials required for modern warfare and weapon systems.

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Sadly the New MSMG obstructs most of the remaining image but you can still clearly make out evidence of a Sighting System being developed by the

Instruments Research & Development Establishment (IRDE)

A laboratory of the Defence Research & Development Organization (DRDO). Located in Dehradun, its primary function is research and development in the field of optical and electro-optical instrumentation. Their objective is to develop products like night vision devices, electro-optical surveillance and fire control systems.

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You can also make out that the Smart Vest seems to be developed by
Defence Bioengineering and Electromedical Laboratory (DEBEL)

Located in Bangalore, its main function is the research and development of technologies and products in the area of Life support, medical and physiological protection systems for the Indian Armed Forces. DEBEL is organized under the Life Sciences Directorate of DRDO. The present director of DEBEL is Dr. V.C. Padaki.

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While you cant make out Clearly. The Protective clothing seems to be Developed By

Defence Materials and Stores Research and Development Establishment (DMSRDE)

it is responsible for the research and development of materials for the military services, including various types of protective clothing and equipment.

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Defence Institute of Physiology & Allied Sciences (DIPAS)

an Indian defense laboratory of the Defence Research & Development Organization (DRDO). Located in Delhi, it conducts physiological and biomedical research to improve human performance in extremes environments and wartime environments.

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The Communications and Network equipment seems to be developed by

Centre for Artificial Intelligence and Robotics (CAIR)

Located in Bangalore, Karnataka, involved in the Research & Development of high quality Secure Communication, Command and Control, and Intelligent Systems. CAIR is the primary laboratory for R&D in different areas of Defence Information and Communication Technology (ICT).

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Defence Electronics Application Laboratory (DEAL)

Located in Dehradun, its primary function is research and development in the radio communication dervices for defence applications. Its mission is development of Radio Communication Systems, Data links, Satellite Communication Systems, Millimeter Wave Communication systems

DEAL is developing communication systems and data links for Airawat Airborne Early Warning and Control System.

DEAL is also engaged in development of state of the art image processing technologies. The Image Analysis Center at DEAL has developed many world class image processing software for Defense Forces. The Image Analysis Center has got expertise in the following areas -
Image Archival, Visualization & Interpretation tool, Classification tools, Stereo processing, Target Detection, Radar image processing, Terrain modeling & simulation, Product generation

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And Last we have a very odd Lab, which has nothing to do with Communication's equipment, But instead is a Missile research lab. founded By our very own Missile Man ,A.P.J Abdul Kalam.

I am posting extra info so members can try to guess what exactly is RCI doing on the F-INSAS project.

Research Center Imarat (RCI)

The Research Centre Imarat (RCI) was established by A.P.J. Abdul Kalam in 1988 on a campus 8 km from Defence Research and Development Laboratory [DRDL] at Kanchanbagh. The origin of the nomenclature "Imarat" is obscure, being an Arabic word for "emirate" which is at times is displayed as IMARAT as though it were an acronym, though no expansion has ever been disclosed. The center's state-of-the-art facilities are dedicated to work in advanced missile technologies.

Kalam was the Project Director for the SLV-3 space launch vehicle that put the Rohini scientific satellite into orbit in July 1980. Kalam subsequently was appointed director of the Defence Research and Development Laboratory, where he formulated the Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme. The IGMDP, launched in July 1983, consists of the Agni intermediate range ballistic missile, the Prithvi surface-to-surface missile; the Nag anti-tank missile, the Akash surface-to-air missile (SAM), and the Trishul anti-ship missile. The Sagarika sea-launched missile and the Surya ICBM were subsequently added to the IGMDP. Development activities at RCI include the Light Combat Aircraft as well as these missile programs.

The open literature is rather vague on the precise relationship between the activities conducted at DRDL and those conducted at RCI. Naively, it might be assumed that the pre-existing facilities at DRDL were devoted to basic research and design activities, and that the subsequent establishment of the RCI facilities at a remote location was intended to provide the development and testing infrastructure needed for practical work on the IGMDP. It is frequently the case in countries such as the United States and Russia that administrative and design activities are conducted in an urban setting, while testing activities are conducted in a rural setting that provides a buffer isolating the test activity from the surrounding population. Consequently, it might have been imagined that the "flow" of IGMDP projects proceeded from basic design work at DRDL at Kanchanbagh, through development and testing at RCI, and subsequently returning to Bharat Dynamics at Kanchanbagh for production.

In fact, imagery of Kanchanbagh and RCI strongly suggests an alternative interpretation of the relationship among these facilities, which would place significant weight on the literal meaning of the names of DRDL and RCI. In contrast to a naive expectation, the infrastructure at DRDL includes rather extensive developmental testing capabilities, consistent with a focus on development at the Defence Research and Development Laboratory. In contrast, the facilities at Research Center Imarat would appear largely confined to more basic research. From this perspective, it might be imagined that the "flow" of IGMDP projects proceeds from basic design work at RCI, then moving to Kanchanbagh for development and testing at DRDL and production at Bharat Dynamics.

This understanding of the sequential progression of projects through various facilities provides an interesting insight into the development of India's missile program. It strongly suggests that by the mid-1980s A.P.J. Abdul Kalam had concluded that the primary challenge facing the IGMDP was the development of the requisite basic technologies, and that a development effort that lacked adequate technological foundation would be doomed to failure. From this perspective, the research conducted at RCI in areas such as materials, electronics and software provided the base on which an ambitious missile program could be successfully constructed.

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The Weapons System also looks very similar to what you see in this video



Army is making a lot of uncharacteristic progress as of late

The grenade launchers



New grenades



Army orders 1 million pieces of grenade developed by DRDO's Chandigarh lab

army is making progress in only some areas and not in all. take the case of artillery, our stock of 155mm bofors howitzers has been reduced to less than 200. in the field of self propelled artillery we are lagging far behind pakistan. pakistan has acquired more than 300 self propelled howitzers from the US while our army lacks even a single worthy self propelled howitzer. even bangladesh has acquired the chinese PLZ-45 SELF PROPELLED HOWITZER.

prateikf said:

army is making progress in only some areas and not in all. take the case of artillery, our stock of 155mm bofors howitzers has been reduced to less than 200. in the field of self propelled artillery we are lagging far behind pakistan. pakistan has acquired more than 300 self propelled howitzers from the US while our army lacks even a single worthy self propelled howitzer. even bangladesh has acquired the chinese PLZ-45 SELF PROPELLED HOWITZER.

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Glass half empty , Glass half full. Take a pick

Any progress is better than none.

sayareakd said:

what is the range of the UBGL ????

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100-150 m point firing and 400m indirect.

tarunraju said:

They're compatible with AKs. Is it that its barrel is too short (for range)?

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Barrel length has much to do with effective range of every unpowered projectile. So i guess it should be having shorter range than one with longer barrels.

I don't think army uses it because had they been they would not have faced dire need for UGBLs during Kargil. But this a guess only. Btw this UGBL weights 1.5 KG unloaded!

Rahul what more info you can give about this UBGL ???

A copy paste from Modern Firearms

GP-25

GP-30

40mm grenades left is VOG-25 and right one is VOG-25P

Caliber: 40mm
Overall length: 320 mm GP-25, 276mm GP-30
Weight: 1.5 kg unloaded GP-25, 1.3 kg unloaded GP-30
Effective range: up to 150 meters

The GP-25 (Granatomyot Podstvolnyj=underbarrel grenade launcher) was developed between 1975 and 1978, based on the earlier experiments, conducted in USSR during late 1960s. GP-25 has been adopted by soviet army in 1978 for use with both 7.62mm AKM and 5.45mm AK-74 Kalashnikov assault rifles. In 1989 Russian army adopted the improved design, GP-30, which, while retaining the same combat effectiveness, is lighter, simpler and less expensive to make.

Both launchers use same ammunition - the 40mm fragmentation grenades VOG-25 and VOG-25P, and a less-lethal 'Gvozd' (Nail) canister round with tear gas. Both types of grenades utilize same integral "caseless" design, with the propellant and primer contained in the base of the grenade, so, when grenade is fired, there's nothing left in the barrel to remove/extract prior to loading of next grenade.

The barrel of single-shot launcher is rifled. Grenades are loaded from the muzzle and held in the barrel by a spring catch. Unfired grenades are extracted using a built-in push-out extractor, located at the left side if the weapon. The firing mechanism is of double-action type, with manual safety and several automated safeties, which blocks the firing if launcher is not properly installed on host rifle or grenade not completely loaded. On the GP-25, sights are mounted on the left side of the launcher, and had additional indirect fire scale for firing at longer ranges (up to 400 meters); on the GP-30, the indirect fire capability has been discarded, and sights were moved to the right side of weapon, making the aiming more comfortable. Each grenade launcher is issued with rubber recoil pad for host rifle, and a special return spring guide with receiver cover catch for use on early production Kalashnikov rifles.

The VOG-25 and VOG-25P grenades provide effective range of about 100-150 meters. Grenades have point-impact fuses with timer self-destruct function and safety stand-off range of about 40 meters. Effective damage range of blast/fragments is about 5 meters. The grenades have pre-engraved rifling groves to fit into rifled barrel. The key difference between VOG-25 and VOG-25P grenades is that the latter is of bouncing type. This means that upon the impact on the ground, a special charge in the nose of grenade ignites and bounces it to a height of approximately one meter, where grenade explodes.

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India starts 4o MM UBGL full scale production

The 40 mm Under Barrel Grenade Launcher (UBGL) developed by DRDO is designed keeping in view the global trend in technology for small arms from the concept of point-target capability to area-target capability.
The UBGL is a modular add on unit on Rifle 5.56 mm INSAS, which can be fitted very easily by removing hand guard of rifle and sliding the UBGL in its place and locking it. It can also be mounted on the Ak 47rifle.

Both, the main body and barrel of the UBGL are made of lightweight and high-strength aluminum alloy, which makes the UBGL easy to carry in the field conditions. Its recoil energy is 17 J, which makes it conducive to fire from shoulder like a rifle.

The system is equipped with self-luminous sighting system for night firing. UBGL fills the gap between maximum range achieved by a hand grenade and the minimum range of a mortar, and has better accuracy unlike a mortar or a hand grenade.

The technologies 40 mm UBGLs developed for the INSAS, MSMC, and UBGL will certainly lead to an integrated dual-caliber weapon envisaged for the future soldier under F-INSAS program.

http://www.subcontinentaldef.net/2010/07/india-starts-4o-mm-ubgl-full-scale.html

Modern Sub Machine Carbine / MSMC submachine gun (India)


The Modern Sub Machine Carbine / MSMC submachine gun with optional Israeli-made ITL MARS red dot sight installed on the Picatinny rail.

Caliber 5.56x30 MINSAS
Weight 2.98 kg empty
Length (stock closed/open) 500 / 700 mm
Barrel length 300 mm
Rate of fire ? rounds per minute
Magazine capacity 30 rounds
The Modern Sub Machine Carbine / MSMC submachine gun was born from the INSAS (Indian Small Arms System) program, which originally included three weapons - the 5.56mm INSAS assault rifle, the 5.56mm INSAS squad automatic / LMG, based on the rifle, and a compact carbine. The INSAS rifle and LMG are already in service with Indian armed forces, but the original INSAS carbine program faced several difficulties. As a result, it was decided to design a carbine around smaller round, based on the shortened 5.56mm cartridge. The new round appears to be of same concept that experimental American Colt MARS, as it has bottlenecked case 30mm long, loaded with light, pointed bullet with steel penetrator core. The bullet weight is 2.6 gram and muzzle velocity from 300mm carbine barrel is listed as 650 m/s, resulting in muzzle energy value of 550 Joules - similar to modern pistol cartridges. The cartridge, known as 5.56x30 MINSAS, offers effective range of about 200 to 300 meters, with good penetration against body armor. The early carbines for this round, known as MINSAS, were based on the INSAS rifle, lightened and scaled down for shortened round. The MSMC, however, derives from this by having more compact, pistol-type layout, which also offers better balance and better maneuverability, especially in confined spaces.
The Modern Sub Machine Carbine / MSMC submachine gun is intended for Indian Special Operation troops, but it also can make a good Personal Defense Weapon for vehicle and gun crews and other non-infantry personnel operating in combat zones. As of now (spring 2010), the Modern Sub Machine Carbine / MSMC submachine gun is in its final stages of T&E by Indian military.

The Modern Sub Machine Carbine / MSMC submachine gun is a gas operated weapon, utilizing rotary bolt locking and a gas piston, located above the barrel. The receiver appears to be made from sheet steel, with outer polymer housing with integral pistol grip. The magazines are inserted into the pistol grip. Buttstock is of telescoped type. Safety / fire mode selector is ambidextrous and conveniently located above the trigger. Standard iron sights are complemented by the Picatinny rail, which can host a wide array of additional day and night sighting equipment. Another unusual accessory for the Modern Sub Machine Carbine / MSMC submachine gun is the bayonet lug, which is located above the barrel, just in front of the receiver.

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg142-e.htm

Can anyone please please please provide clear info about these confusing variants of Insas rifles:-
-Excalibur
-MINSAS
-Kalanatk
-Amogh
-Modern Sub Machine Carbine.

Please its a humble request. This confusion has given me a serious headache.

Yatharth Singh said:

Can anyone please please please provide clear info about these confusing variants of Insas rifles:-
-Excalibur
-MINSAS
-Kalanatk
-Amogh
-Modern Sub Machine Carbine.

Please its a humble request. This confusion has given me a serious headache.

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-Excalibur:
A modernized version of Regular Insas, better handling, black fiber with Semi and full auto option ( Same as regular Insas in terms of performance )..

-MINSAS/Amogh carbine:
Meant to use 5.56x30mm and suppose to be a replacement for 9mm carbine, ( Failed during tests )

Kalanatk:
Short barrel Insas firing 5.56x45mm ( Over heating bad accuracy )

-Modern Sub Machine Carbine:
Looks nice, hopefully gud in performance, firing 5.56x30mm and it may replace our old ww2 carbine

Yatharth Singh said:

Can anyone please please please provide clear info about these confusing variants of Insas rifles:-
-Excalibur
-MINSAS
-Kalanatk
-Amogh
-Modern Sub Machine Carbine.

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RIFLE EXCALIBUR 5.56 MM



Derived from the famous INSAS weapon systems of India which have been tested in large scale infantry combat, anti-terrorist and mob control situations, this weapon is called the INSAS EXCALIBUR MARK-I incorporates, in addition to the features of earlier INSAS Weapons, certain characteristics which makes it truly the ultimate sword- THE EXCALIBUR . The reasons for calling it Excalibur are that it incorporates the features of a weapon which is rugged for battlefield engagements and at the same time capable of being light and easy to handle during low intensity conflict and CQB situations. It has ergonomically designed with folding butt and can fire 20-30 rounds magazines. It is also fitted with picaatinny rails for mounting of opto electronic devices.

SPECIFICATIONS:
*Calibre -- 5.56mm

*Length-Butt Folded/Butt Extended -- 665mm/895mm

*Weight with Full Magazine -- 4.03 kg

*Weight of Empty Magazine -- 0.09 kg.

*Magazine Capacity -- 20/30 rounds

*Length of Barrel -- 400 mm

*Barrel Chamber and Bore -- Chrome Plated

*Rifling (No. of Grooves/Twist/Direction) -- 6/1 turn in 200 /RH

*Sight -- ( Front /Rear/ Range Graduation/Radius) Post type/aperture/200 mm & 400mm/475mm

*System of Operation -- Gas operated

*Mode of Fire -- i). Single Shot ii) Automatic

*Rate of Fire ( rounds/min) -- 650 to 700

*Effective range -- 400 m


MIcro Assault Rifle 5.56mm



Kalantak Micro Assault Rifle is a gas operated automatic, air cooled, folding butt Rifle. It is a very power full, light weight & compact weapon for CQB & Personnel Defence Weapon Role. The weapon uses the same ammunition (5.56x45mm) as used in Rifle/ LMG, thus reducing the logistic problems in having different kind of ammunitions for different role of weapons. It's design and mechanism is simple and having the capability to accommodate the various modern optical sights like Red Dot Sight, Holographic, MARS etc, available internationally in the market. The weapon is having much lesser recoil and muzzle jump than any of the Assault Rifles, and therefore it is having more hitting probability in auto mode of firing than any other Assault Rifles. Due consideration has been given for Reliability, Ergonomics and Aesthetics in designing of the Weapon. The furniture items will be subjected to continual improvement from human engineering point of view.

SPECIFICATIONS:

*Calibre -- 5.56 x 45 mm

*Length of Weapon – (a) Butt Folded -- 612mm

– (b) Butt Extended -- 825mm

*Weight – Weapon (without Magazine) -- 3.60Kg

*Magazine -- Transparent, Plastic (Poly carbonate), Capacity: 20 / 30 Rds, Push & Drop down mechanism for Loading & Unloading.

*Barrel -- Length- 333mm, 6Nos Grooves 1 in 200 Pitch, Chromium Plated bore

*Effective Range -- 300m

System of operation -- Gas Operated.

Rate of Fire -- 650 – 700 rpm

Mode of fire -- Single & Automatic / TRB (optional).

AMOGH 5.56mm CARBINE



"¢ AMOGH Carbine 5.56 mm is specially designed and developed for close quarter battle (CQB) role.
"¢ It fires 5.56 x 30 mm ammunition specially developed for carbine role.
"¢ The weapon is ergonomically designed, light in weight, easy to carry, handle, operate and maintain
"¢ Barrel of the weapon is chromium plated for longer life.
"¢ It has ambidextrous lever change operation.
"¢ It is provided with Reflex sight & Bayonet as accessories.

SPECIFICATIONS:

*Calibre -- 5.56 mm (5.56 x 30 mm ammunition)

*Length of Weapon

– (a) Butt Folded -- 575 mm
– (b) Butt Extended -- 800 mm

*Weight – Weapon (without Magazine) -- 2.95 kg

*Weight – Magazine (empty) -- 80 gms

*Weight - Cartridge -- 8.0 gms

*Effective Range -- 200 m

*Rate of Fire -- 700 rpm

*Sight Radius -- 420 mm

*Feed -- 30 rd Box Magazine

*Operation -- Gas operated

*Mode of Fire -- Single & Auto

*Mechanism -- Rotary bolt. Closed Breech

*Rifling -- 6 Groves, 1 : 200mm

*Sight -- 1.Open Sight, 2.Reflex Sight


*Muzzle velocity -- 700 m/sec

*Safety -- Applied, Mechanical


* Original MINSAS is salvaged and its improved version is called Amogh

some better design this type of system for INSAS UBGL so that it will be easy to launch shoot the grenade from UBGL

can some one tell me what this system is called ???

here some more info about the above system

In March 2001, FN Herstal unveiled a revolutionary aiming device for its F2000 three-shot 40mm automatic grenade attachment. To engage a target, the shooter simply aims the integrated laser sight at the target, and the range to the target is automatically locked into the weapon's fire-control system. The shooter then elevates the weapon in the direction of the target and, when the weapon is at the correct firing angle, a pair of green lights appear on the exterior of the sight. With the weapon now a the proper super elevation to engage the target, the weapon is ready for firing. During tests, Belgian soldiers were able to consistently place rounds within two meters of targets 300 meters away.

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Under barrel Grenade launchers Sights..

UBGL iron sights..
Russian, western & Indian..

GP-30 40mm UBGL ( Russian )

Very nice picture, here u can see the UBGL`s sights are situated at 300m, u have to rise the gun barrel with the sights straight on target..

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As u can see the sight can be adjusted for your specific range from 0-50m and 50m-100m and so on..

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Under barrel Grenade launchers Sights..

UBGL iron sights..
Russian, western & Indian..

M203 40mm UBGL ( American )

Unlike Russians, who made separate sights for UBGL within the UBGL, Americans install the UBGL sighting system with main sights of the rifle..

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M203 40mm UBGL ( American ) Sights..

M203 40mm UBGL ( American ) Sights..
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The grenade launcher is composed of the following: barrel, receiver, hand guard, leaf sight, and quadrant sight.

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For short range targets (31 meters (102 ft) or less), place leaf sight down and use rifle sights. Estimate distance to target and be sure to aim at the foot of the target

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For targets from 50 to 250 meters (165 to 820 ft), raise leaf sight and use with rifle front sight. For targets from 50 to 400 meters (165 to 1320 ft), use front and rear sight of the quadrant sight onl

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When firing high explosive (HE) grenades at targets within 165 meters (541 ft) (minimum safe), be in a protected position. When training (minimum safe), do not fire at targets within 165 meters (541 ft). When in combat, do not fire at targets closer than 31 meters (102 ft). The M203 has the inherent accuracy to place grenades into windows at 125 meters (410 ft) and bunker apertures at 50 meters (164 ft). These ranges are significantly reduced as the angle of obliquity increases. Combat experience shows that M203 gunners cannot consistently hit windows at 50 meters when forced to aim and fire quickly.

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More Info Here..
http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/grenade/M203.html

i found the targeting system on INSAS UBGL it is on the top right side



here it is more visible and at the right place to shoot from right side (right handed)



picture from personal collection
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