ZDK-03 AWACS in Kashgar bounding for Pakistan

[LETHALFORCE]

India and China are two separate countries.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

I was talking about the one posted above, it didn't pan out or did it?

You are talking about many different things where is the link for the Indigenous Indian AWAC that failed and disappeared??

 

[p2prada]

India had to send kaveri to be tested in Russia, this example just shows that India's approach to indigenous weapon programs is very amateur like, india simply does not have the infrastructure to support such programs.

Economics. It is unnecessary to have a test bed here for the near future. But it is coming.

Take a look at the indian and chinese navy, while in terms of surface combatants the two countries are kind equal in strength China has 10 times support ships.

Economics again. But from today until 2020 India has a $50Billion modernization plan for the Navy as compared to $25Billion that China has planned for PLAN.

Fun fact: INS Arihant will be on deterrent patrol in end 2012. Chinese SSBNs have never left regional waters in the last 20 years.

The way DRDO works is kind a like hobbists in the western world: they buy off-the-shelf components to build complete systems.

Partly agree when it comes to some of our big projects. But this isn't something you have been very successful at either. Your tanks still follow Soviet models and your aircraft are still dependent on Russian engines. Quite like us here. The biggest advantage you have over DRDO is the amount of funding you get compared for your own development programs.

Thats' why DHruv, one of the few success stories of DRDO/HAL, has 90% foreign components.

Dhruv has nothing to do with DRDO. HAL is not dependent on DRDO for electronics support. More importantly imports for Dhruv is only in a few critical electronics only because BEL(DRDO) wasn't contracted for the purpose. BEL has started work only recently. However you can say it is one of our more successful projects.

Inida to this day still has not figured out how to make a rifle, any rifle.

INSAS is a good rifle. It's time is over, that's all. Army wants multi calibre rifles and even ARDE equivalents will enter the fray for the competition if they haven't already. INSAS cannot be modified for the same. The INSAS was inducted 15 years ago and our resident Brigadier used it in battle in 1999.

This is one of the prototypes. It's just that our Army has so many options that an Indian made gun is not an enough option.

Besides of those that are carbon copies of imported weaopons like Akash or 105mm light howitzer, India has literally nothing to show for her indigenous efforts.

PAD, PDV, AAD are good enough examples.

Dehli-class destroyers for example,has a mixture of british/russian/israeli systems, remarkablely absent however, are indian systems, there is none.

The Type 05A and B had Russian equipment as well. They still have Russian equipment and will be replaced with Chinese systems once refitting happens. Same for Delhi class. Just that the stuff will be part of JVs rather than our own development. Suffice to say the equipment will be more advanced.

 

[tony4562]

discussion in this thread is going down the drain thanks to some chines members.

Then you need to tell your fellow country men to stop mentioning India and China in the same sentence.

 

[tony4562]

Economics. It is unnecessary to have a test bed here for the near future. But it is coming.



Economics again. But from today until 2020 India has a $50Billion modernization plan for the Navy as compared to $25Billion that China has planned for PLAN.

Fun fact: INS Arihant will be on deterrent patrol in end 2012. Chinese SSBNs have never left regional waters in the last 20 years.



Partly agree when it comes to some of our big projects. But this isn't something you have been very successful at either. Your tanks still follow Soviet models and your aircraft are still dependent on Russian engines. Quite like us here. The biggest advantage you have over DRDO is the amount of funding you get compared for your own development programs.



Dhruv has nothing to do with DRDO. HAL is not dependent on DRDO for electronics support. More importantly imports for Dhruv is only in a few critical electronics only because BEL(DRDO) wasn't contracted for the purpose. BEL has started work only recently. However you can say it is one of our more successful projects.



INSAS is a good rifle. It's time is over, that's all. Army wants multi calibre rifles and even ARDE equivalents will enter the fray for the competition if they haven't already. INSAS cannot be modified for the same. The INSAS was inducted 15 years ago and our resident Brigadier used it in battle in 1999.

This is one of the prototypes. It's just that our Army has so many options that an Indian made gun is not an enough option.



PAD, PDV, AAD are good enough examples.



The Type 05A and B had Russian equipment as well. They still have Russian equipment and will be replaced with Chinese systems once refitting happens. Same for Delhi class. Just that the stuff will be part of JVs rather than our own development. Suffice to say the equipment will be more advanced.

Arihant is a floaint hull without reactor, you are talking about it on a patrol next year. You are truely brave!

 

[tony4562]

China builds everything by herself from screws up, its a requirement before any project is even underways. This is what separates China from India.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Arihant reactor was tested for 3 years before the sub was built.

 

[nrj]

Please stick to topic. No need to bring entire Indian/Chinese inventory in every thread.

 

[tony4562]

INSAS is a not a truely indegenous rifle, it is a copy of the belgian rifle that has been in wide use with the indian army. Had it been a complete indigenous deisgn, it would never have seen the light of the day.

 

[sayareakd]

China builds everything by herself from screws up, its a requirement before any project is even underways. This is what separates China from India.

Then how come your fighters are flying with Russian engines ???

 

[LETHALFORCE]

What Chinese weapon is not a copy? name one an I will tell you where it was reversed engineered from.

 

[tony4562]

Arihant reactor was tested for 3 years before the sub was built.

Unlike the Varyag which is probably good 5 years from entering any kind of service, Arihant has not even started its motor yet. Yet here you insist it will be on deterrence patrol next year? I guess you probably do work for the DRDO, exactly the same kind mentality.

 

[tony4562]

What Chinese weapon is not a copy name one an I will tell you where it was reversed engineered from.

Type95 rifle, 054 frigate, T99 tank, DF31 ICBM, i could go on and on. But then again you will point out eh amny similarities between for example DF-31 and your new years firework. Yes they all could trace their origin to China back 2000 years ago.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

If Arihant was not finished how did work on the second nuclear submarine start??

 

[sayareakd]

INSAS is a not a truely indegenous rifle, it is a copy of the belgian rifle that has been in wide use with the indian army. Had it been a complete indigenous deisgn, it would never have seen the light of the day.

Man you are out of your mind, either you dont know about Indian Defence or you lost your mind and here is the proof of the same.


SLR

INSAS

now some one please close this thread for good.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

No more off-topic comparisions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[tony4562]

u r the most disgusting element of this forum ,i had constanlty noticed u in every thread u seem to have the same post regarding how indigenoius
india is ???? man 1st of all kindly tell me if u got balls then tell me which nationalty u truely are ,then i would reply u so nicely that u wont dare to
troll in our forum .Just under the cover of unknown nationality u r posting craps .

I put facts on the table, and that got you going beserk, nice isn't it?

 

[utubekhiladi]

If Arihant was not finished how did work on the second nuclear submarine start??

don't waste your energy for trolls

let them be in their dream land..

 

[Ray]

Tony,

You are in a hurry and in a flurry to prove China is equal to the US.

Patience is the watchword for success and not breast beating of a gorilla.

Look close at the details and it will take the scales off your eyes.

If you were indeed what you would like to convey about China, China would not be so petrified at India's defence upgrades or some rather innocuous naval exercises off the SCS.

Calm your frayed nerves and go easy on the balderdash.

 

[Ray]

Tony,

Lots of Pakistanis are hanging around the Scandinavian countries.