Would not mind Indo-Pak N-war: JuD Chief

Discussion in 'Foreign Relations' started by Ray, Feb 7, 2011.

  1. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2009
    Messages:
    43,118
    Likes Received:
    23,543
    Location:
    Somewhere
    Very telling of the situation in Pakistan.

    The rhetoric indicates that the Govt has no control over the affairs of Pakistan. On the one hand, the GoP is engaging India in talks at Thimphu, while on the other hand, the lunatic fringe, which has clout over the population, is spewing fire and brimstone and going ballistic!!

    What is important to note is that a confident Nation or a person, quietly goes about achieving the aim, while the one who is shaky and fear crazed thunders to drown the fear generated accelerated heart beat sound!!

    If Jihad is the answer, it is already on in Kashmir and failing miserably. Therefore, what is the new Jihad? Can Jihad, as explained in the Holy Book, keep re-inventing itself to suit a deranged man's earthly whims? This man should seriously understand what Jihad means and not misuse a holy tenet for his worldly purpose to stay relevant!

    To imagine that Pakistan will survive after a N War indicates that this poor man and his followers should leave statecraft to those who know it and he should return to his Holy Book and prepare for his tryst with his Maker. That would be more fruitful.

    One wonders what is the way out. One wonders who is relevant, the govt, the Army or the religious loons? Who should one parley with?
     
  2.  
  3. JBH22

    JBH22 Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2010
    Messages:
    3,620
    Likes Received:
    2,389
    Kutta bhauke hazaar Hathi chale bazaar..

    Truth is they can't face any conventional war against India,now they can't even win a proxy war then this leaves them to bark bark and bark
     
  4. p2prada

    p2prada Stars and Ambassadors Stars and Ambassadors

    Joined:
    May 25, 2009
    Messages:
    10,233
    Likes Received:
    3,896
    Location:
    Holy Hell
    Poor illiterate bloke does not know he will be one of the first to go.:becky:
     
  5. p2prada

    p2prada Stars and Ambassadors Stars and Ambassadors

    Joined:
    May 25, 2009
    Messages:
    10,233
    Likes Received:
    3,896
    Location:
    Holy Hell
    Throw a biscuit across the border. The one who keeps quiet and stands back is the one who we parley with. The ones who jump at the little snack don't know we just threw a dog biscuit.
     
  6. Yusuf

    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2009
    Messages:
    24,272
    Likes Received:
    11,273
    Location:
    BANGalore
    What does he have to lose in a nuke war. The losers will be india and pak. people use terms such as nuke wars as if you are talking about some gulli fights.
     
  7. p2prada

    p2prada Stars and Ambassadors Stars and Ambassadors

    Joined:
    May 25, 2009
    Messages:
    10,233
    Likes Received:
    3,896
    Location:
    Holy Hell
    It's just typical ranting of a hungry pup. He says he will provide funding for a new "Ministry of Jihad" for Kashmir, but is begging Pak Army to provide guns to his "Million" Strong army.

    He is politically retarded and shows it when he makes such speeches. I feel sorry for the people who listen to his ramblings. I am just glad the people sitting on top of the country(US:becky:) are a little saner than he is.
     
  8. sandeepdg

    sandeepdg Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2009
    Messages:
    2,333
    Likes Received:
    216
    Location:
    Gurgaon/Noida
    Nuke war or not, I wish the IA takes out this a**hole with a cruise missile strike. Though that may remain a dream with a spineless government, but I wish that someday this dream comes true, and these suckers start falling like flies in such strikes.
     
    Tshering22 likes this.
  9. Oracle

    Oracle New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2010
    Messages:
    8,120
    Likes Received:
    1,541
    Location:
    Bangalore, India
    If Hafiz Saeed do not give such statements, he will be out of job and maybe out of life too. Statements such as these make sure, that Kashmir is portrayed in the international arena as an oppressed state, while rats running the day to day affairs of Pakistan milk US at every corner. Nothing's gonna come out of Indo-Pak talks or from Saeed's rhetoric. Pakistan does not want any solution, for it receives billions of dollars in aid because of the shit they are in.
     
  10. Parthy

    Parthy Air Warrior Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2010
    Messages:
    1,313
    Likes Received:
    145
    If there's no problem in and around Pakistan, they'll run out of their income.. They're surviving only from the aids given by the lethargic US govt who doesn't have clarity on their own policy with Pakistan...

    If there's no Jihad, the Muslim leaders in Pakistan will not get any luxury and lucrative aids from Saudi. They survive only by fighting in the name of Islam.. In fact they're spoiling the reputation of other Islamic people around the world...

    They can only speak; they can't react anymore.. they know the result very well if another 26/11 happens..
     
  11. Bangalorean

    Bangalorean Stars and Ambassadors Stars and Ambassadors

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2010
    Messages:
    6,207
    Likes Received:
    6,495
    These half-illiterate people don't know what nuclear war actually means. If nuclear war really happens, the PA/ISI and their cohorts will be safely in bunkers while the rage of India's nuclear armament will fall upon people like this.
     
  12. SixSigma1978

    SixSigma1978 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2010
    Messages:
    59
    Likes Received:
    15
    Location:
    Greater Manchester
    Perhaps he thinks a NUCLEAR bomb is like a conventional bomb. A boom and the dust settles around the blast site. Makes you wonder how medieval nuts like him reach a position such as his? Perhaps the millions that follow him are just as medieval. Doesn't bode too well when it comes to attempting REASON with such folks. Hence, the drones! The only language they understand is the look of surprise and the dawn of realization on their face when that hellfire kicks them right where it matters the most..
     
    Dovah likes this.
  13. chex3009

    chex3009 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2010
    Messages:
    915
    Likes Received:
    161
    Location:
    IL
    These piece of sh*** are delivering hate speeches across our border and we are sitting pretty talking with them at Foreign secretary level.

    The statement coming out of our Foreign secretary was that the talks will be based on the foundation laid in Thimphu today and the attitude man Mr. Salman Basheer, pakistani counterpart was showing attitude and stated in media that nothing firm was discussed and they won't negotiate without keeping K-word on the table first.

    So are we still going to talk with them???

    This is pathetic. I mean our UPA government is in such deep mess of their own right now, that they don't have time for this country.
     
  14. Virendra

    Virendra Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2010
    Messages:
    4,674
    Likes Received:
    2,923
    Location:
    Delhi, India, India
    Facing 26/11 was a different thing. Perhaps the nation reacted by rallying behind the UPA.
    However this time, Mr. Manmohan Singh and his uncontrollable despos are out for sure. They ate money like a black hole eats, never to be seen again.
    But much worry is that BJP is no longer a capable alternative. Bit like Congress, they've lost their senses.
     
  15. Friend

    Friend Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2010
    Messages:
    31
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    Finland
    He served as an Islamic Studies teacher at the University of Engineering and Technology (Lahore), Pakistan. Now you know why these poor Pakistanis lack reasoning. Feel sorry for them. THANK GOD INDIA WAS PARTITIONED. These a**holes would be roaming in the streets of India otherwise!!!
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Feb 10, 2011
  16. debasree

    debasree Regular Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2011
    Messages:
    811
    Likes Received:
    82
    Location:
    Calcutta, India, India
    india dont need nukes to destroy those lunaticcs,couple of cruise missile will do the job!
     
  17. Patriot

    Patriot Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2010
    Messages:
    1,760
    Likes Received:
    538
    Location:
    Ahmedabad, Gujarat, India

    If India and Pakistan Come to Nuclear Blows, Blame U.S.: Mishra


    [​IMG]

    Are India and Pakistan likely to stumble into nuclear war? This appalling possibility has long been kept alive by conflicts between the two historical enemies, but it may have been pushed closer to fulfillment by a catastrophic failure of U.S. foreign policy in South Asia.

    In recent weeks, a cover story in the Economist on the world’s “most dangerous border” described Pakistan’s rush to militarize its nuclear capacity, and former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger warned of a pre-World War I, Balkans-like scenario in South Asia that leads to a global conflict.

    Other developments, which have largely escaped the radar of Western commentators, give deeper cause for foreboding. A day after U.S. Navy seals killed Osama Bin Laden, the Indian army and air chiefs declared that the Indian military was capable of mounting similar operations in Pakistan. Pakistan’s spy chief, Lieutenant General Ahmad Shuja Pasha, responded with the claim that the Pakistani military had already rehearsed retaliatory strikes on India.

    This isn’t just playground posturing. Soon after conducting nuclear tests in 1998, India’s Hindu nationalist government threatened Pakistan with an “all-out war.” The rhetoric on the other side of the border was no less temperate. In 2001, the Hindu nationalist-led government responded to a terrorist attack by Pakistan-trained militants on India’s Parliament by mobilizing hundreds of thousands of troops on the border. Both nations eventually pulled back from the brink.

    Angry Indian Politicians

    But since then, terrorist attacks, such as the one on Mumbai in November 2008, routinely provoke angry calls from Indian politicians and news commentators for surgical strikes on training camps and headquarters of extremist groups in Pakistan.

    Writing as Israel pounded Gaza a few weeks after the Mumbai attacks, the former diplomat Shashi Tharoor spoke of India’s “Israel envy.” Indians know that war with Pakistan would be catastrophically counterproductive. Yet, as he wrote, “when Indians watch Israel take the fight to the enemy, killing those who launched rockets against it” some of them “cannot resist wishing that they could do something similar in Pakistan.”

    One reason India hasn’t is that since 2004 it has had a prime minister, Manmohan Singh, who remains committed to improving relations with Pakistan. (That Singh is one of an aging generation of Sikhs born in undivided India may have something to do with this outlook.) Last month, he distanced himself from India’s Strangelovian military bosses and talking heads, and “a line of thinking” that he said was “mired in a mindset that is neither realistic nor productive.”

    Manmohan Singh’s Dilemma

    Singh knows that the long-unresolved issue of Kashmir lies at the heart of the tense relationship between India and Pakistan. More than 70,000 people, mostly Muslim, have died in India-administered Kashmir as troops have battled an insurgency backed by Pakistan. Any “Idiot’s Guide to South Asia” will tell you that peace in the region will remain a distant dream until India and Pakistan reach a solution acceptable to Kashmiri Muslims as well as nationalists in both countries.

    This will initially require, at the very least, India to shift it troops out of the Kashmir valley, where during the past two summers hundreds of thousands of Indian soldiers have confronted increasingly nonviolent and overwhelmingly young Muslim protesters. Unfortunately, India’s new image in Europe and America as a rising power has diminished the Indian appetite for compromise and negotiation.

    Following Russia’s Example

    Singh faces a strident domestic constituency that believes in isolating and neutering Pakistan while striking Kashmir with what a former Indian diplomat called, invoking Russia’s example in Chechnya, an “iron fist.” There is in India, as in Israel, a public opinion that recoils at the prospect of talking on equal terms with neighbors viewed as terrorists.

    As is the case in the Middle East, the only country to have leverage with both parties is the U.S. And there are few obstacles to using this leverage with India. The close American relationship with India is still new, and not captive to domestic politics in the U.S.

    Seeking to make India a strategic counterweight to China, and a solid business partner, the administration of George W. Bush rewarded it with an exceptionally generous nuclear deal. Prime Minister Singh expressed the sincere gratitude to India’s pro-American political and business elites when he blurted out to Bush in late 2008, “The people of India deeply love you.” Barack Obama followed up the nuclear agreement with a host of economic deals during his visit to India in November last year.

    America’s Dual Role

    There is of course an unresolvable contradiction in a foreign policy that builds up India’s military and economic capacity while pushing Pakistan to launch resource-draining campaigns against extremists. Not surprisingly, the sight of the U.S. cozying up to Pakistan’s traditional enemy has made the Islamabad establishment not only more paranoid, but also more duplicitous in its dealings with American military and intelligence.

    The diplomatic advantages of the new American intimacy with India have yet to come into clear view. Unlike Bush, President Obama is fully aware of the importance of Kashmir to his most urgent foreign policy challenge: stabilizing Afghanistan and Pakistan. He came to office claiming that “working with Pakistan and India to try to resolve the Kashmir crisis in a serious way” were among the “critical tasks for the next administration.”

    Obama spoke of devoting serious diplomatic resources to get a special envoy in there, to figure out a plausible approach, and essentially to make the argument to the Indians: “You guys are on the brink of being an economic superpower, why do you want to keep on messing with this?”

    Arguing With Pakistan

    The argument for the Pakistanis was to be: “Look at India and what they are doing, why do you want to keep being bogged down with this, particularly at a time when the biggest threat now is coming from the Afghan border?”

    But as the WikiLeaks cables revealed, the Obama administration surrendered quickly to the Indian ultimatum that the envoy to the region, the late Richard Holbrooke, exclude Kashmir from his responsibilities. Holbrooke himself remained convinced, according to his widow, Kati Marton, that Pakistan would remain unstable and vulnerable to extremism until adequate steps to resolve Kashmir were taken; he advocated more American pressure on India in this regard.

    When Obama visited India in late 2010, however, he chose to encourage India’s naively triumphalist self-perception as a country that has “already arrived.’’ It’s unlikely that he subscribes to the anachronistic Cold War binaries of the Bush administration that counterpoised India and China. Yet he carefully avoids mentioning Kashmir in his speeches.

    Like the Balkans

    Perhaps it’s not too late for Obama to try the more evenhanded and integrated approach to India and Pakistan that he outlined as a candidate. The mood in both countries is febrile – - Kissinger’s analogy with the pre-WWI Balkans is exact in this respect.

    The Indian media are giving extensive coverage to the terrorism trial in Chicago that implicates Pakistani intelligence in the 2008 Mumbai attacks. Any new terrorist attack originating in Pakistan would vastly increase the number of Indians clamoring for a punitive assault on their malevolent neighbor; and even Prime Minister Singh may not be able to resist them.

    Pakistan of course has been readying itself for a military incursion across the border. Last month, it tested a remarkably mobile missile system designed to unleash low-yield nuclear weapons on tank formations. The bin Laden killing and successive attacks by the Pakistani Taliban and al-Qaeda have left its military and intelligence establishments humiliated and seething with anger.

    Faced with a rash Indian strike, it might well behave even more recklessly — an increasingly plausible scenario that America’s rigidly compartmentalized policies in South Asia have done little to thwart.

    (Pankaj Mishra is a columnist for Bloomberg View. The opinions expressed are his own.)
     
  18. mayfair

    mayfair Elite Member Elite Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2010
    Messages:
    2,584
    Likes Received:
    1,757
    Location:
    India
    Pankaj Mishra talking out his backside as usual.
     
  19. The Messiah

    The Messiah Bow Before Me! Elite Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2010
    Messages:
    10,788
    Likes Received:
    4,552
    Yes he is but whats he's saying is true when it concerns the yanks. Yanks think that pak terrorism will stop if India gives up kashmir. That is there stance now and always has been but they can't say it openly or force it due India's rise.
     
  20. ganesh177

    ganesh177 Regular Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2009
    Messages:
    863
    Likes Received:
    295
    Location:
    Pune, Incredible India
    Why dont raw gather all there resources and focus on taking down this barking dog first ? This is what you are meant to do, no matter what way.
     
  21. Oracle

    Oracle New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2010
    Messages:
    8,120
    Likes Received:
    1,541
    Location:
    Bangalore, India
    Why would Saeed be worried about a nuclear war between India and Pakistan. He and his ilks would live, they are cockroaches.
     
    Razor likes this.

Share This Page