Would India lease a naval base to USA in the Indian Ocean??

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Coming back to the point of this thread, do you all think that this is even relevant after US having Diego Garcia in IOR? I don't think so.
 
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Coming back to the point of this thread, do you all think that this is even relevant after US having Diego Garcia in IOR? I don't think so.
Diego Garcia is a good point to use Bombers,but it is useless in a naval sense in providing any choke points.
 

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BTW, the above-mentioned article should apply to at least 80% of Indians.
If you think that article represents most "Hindus" in India (or outside) and reflects upon modern India then I can only feel sorry about it. Point is, the Hindu caricature of a caste is about as prevalent as the racist caricature of Europeans. Sure it was true a hundred years ago, but it is not so relevant anymore. The new generations have better things in mind than such caricature - like IPL or Hindi Movies or getting a job in a multinational company. You can make caricatures of those and they will be better representations of modern India and Hindus.
 

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Diego Garcia is a good point to use Bombers,but it is useless in a naval sense in providing any choke points.
Why is that? Can't you base a carrier battle group their and create a choke point around the Malaya straits?
 
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Why is that? Can't you base a carrier battle group their and create a choke point around the Malaya straits?
It is possible but would you want to place valuable assets in the middle of nowhere?? If things got hot it may not be a bad idea but a little further North towards the subcontinent would be ideal.
 

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To be honest with you, The US is a great place but I wouldn't want to live there either. I can go back there to visit again my relatives but that's about it.
Point taken. We all have our personal thresholds, and I wont judge anybody else in this respect.

I was lucky to get out and head to the US for an education. But my decision was made easier by the fact that my family had moved back to Kerala, and so I really had no direct family there.

Having said that, I have to say that even fairly prosperous non-Malays in Malaysia are getting tired of this 2n class citizenship status. Which explains why most non-Malays and even some Malays who go to the West take up foreign citizenship. The Malays are too insecure about their own future and I doubt that will ever change in your or my lifetime.
 

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We were taught that the need to prioritise the Malays is necessary to maintain the country's relative social peace. When the majority is all secured (at least perception-wise) there is less grumblings about the apparent economic success of minorities like the ethnic Chinese. Had Dr. not instituted his radical Malay-first agenda Chinese businesses would have been burned down a long time ago.
That's cute. But it doesn't change the fact that Malaysia is an ethnocentric pseudo-democracy with institutionalised racism, it just reinforces it.

I have respect for the Chinese and Indians who live in Malaysia who tolerate the conditions there and brave Malay chauvinism.


While we're at this topic, the following article is a thought-provoking read:

http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/h_caste.asp
Try something new.
 
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Indo-US Navy buildup in Indian Ocean
India is pursuing "Maritime Capability Perspective Plan" (MCPP). The current phase of modernization is part of this plan and by the end of this decade India will be able to raise the number of warships and submarines to 40, including conventional and nuclear-powered submarines, aircraft carriers, frigates, and long range maritime reconnaissance aircraft.

These hi-tech and modern warships and submarines will be manned by 12 per cent additional strength to the present strength of 58,000 personnel. Indian Navy has set target to go hi-tech so that it is capable of operating in network centric environment. Where the Naval experts have given go ahead signal to increase its strength, many critics are seeing future Indian Navy as burden on national exchequer due to out of proportion increase in the strength of personnel.

Strategic triangle: Delhi, Washington & Tel Aviv

The Indian Navy does not require such a massive growth and modernization. The change has occurred due to the announcement from Pentagon that the US Navy would work with the Indian Navy to improve capabilities to perform higher-end, operational missions in the Indian Ocean region as the strategic context dictates.

In other words, it is Washington and Tel Aviv which is financing Indian Navy modernization. However, with the latest move alarm bells have started ringing that now onwards it would not be sweet will of India's top military and Navy commanders to persuade US Navy to pack up from its Indian installations or the Indian waters.

Today Indian Navy is passing formidable phase. Indian Navy is witnessing its last days of team spirit and command and control as professional Navy personnel with tremendous fighting spirit would be replaced by more educated lot. There are plans that the entire manpower, including officers and sailors, will have science and engineering background. Presently, Navy recruits only those young men as Sailors who have Science as the main subject but from next year only B.Tech graduates would be inducted thereby enabling the Navy to have technically qualified personnel for the next generation of warships. During last month's Navy Commanders' Conference at New Delhi, commanders of US and Israeli Naval experts were specially invited to support Indian Navy's new role and mission set in the light of globalization. This planning and development has been chalked out by the US think tanks and US Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) which has also a parallel organisation in India, but Indian Navy Commanders are claiming the sole credit of the plan.

In fact, Washington has been able to convince India's deployment of naval warships to support counter-piracy operations through the SHADE (Shared Awareness and De-confliction) mechanism. In the name of cooperation in counter-piracy operations, Washington would be able to maintain its permanent presence in the Indian Ocean region.

New naval base close to Malacca

Today, India with the help of US and Israel has increased its presence-cum-surveillance missions in the Indian Ocean region. US has overt and covert designs to come up as sole security provider in the maritime domain in its area of operations in the region. India will help US in tactical and strategic deployment. In the same regard, New Delhi has inked a number of agreements with western partners, including US and Israel, to provide safety and free movement in lieu of re-shaping and modernizing Indian Navy to come up as a regional superpower. India with the help of international players is all set to take the control of Strait of Malacca and the Six Degree Channel. To keep an eye on the maritime traffic, few days back, India opened a new Naval Base "INS Baaz" at the controversial Andaman and Nicobar Islands' southernmost end of Campbell Bay. INS Baaz is situated at a distance of about 300 nautical miles from Port Blair. The long awaited project has finally come to some shape. Quite recently, in a Navy Commander's conference, Indian Navy Chief Admiral Nirmal Verma admitted presence of foreign forces in INS Baaz and in the operational area of tri-service Andaman and Nicobar Command. In this regard, Commander Andaman and Nicobar Command Lieutenant General Naresh C. Marwah and Chief of Integrated Defence Staff Vice Admiral Shekhar Sinha held high level talks with operational commanders of US and Israel. It is pertinent to mention here that INS Bazz is also equipped with most modern and sophisticated monitoring and surveillance equipment.

There is no doubt that steps taken by Indian Navy Chief, Admiral Nirmal Verma, are in tune with set primary challenges that was to balance its resources and build human capital. However, it has gone out of proportion as with this huge induction of technically educated personnel there would be no one left to perform general duties and tasks in old warships. More so, it is an attempt to destroy Indian Navy and replace it with a set of personnel who can only play video games and deliver impressive presentations. The poor state of Indian Navy's operational and technical infrastructure, including Forward Operating Bases in island territories, Operational Turn Around Bases and Naval Air Enclaves (NAE) is being rectified and developments of infrastructure in far flung island territories is accorded top priority. However, due to massive corruption in defence procurements and foreign influence, there are very serious concerns. Keeping aside the issue of corruption, one wonders why the foreign presence is needed.

India has already sacrificed its integrity and sovereignty by inking 123 Treaty and is now heading towards foreigner takeover on the lines of East India Company. Pakistan and India along with other neighbouring countries need to form their own joint defence mechanism in order to avoid situations like last year's incident in which a misunderstanding took place between Pakistan Naval Ship Babur and Indian Naval Ship Godavari in the Gulf of Aden. New Delhi still has time to get rid of foreign influence in Indian Ocean region in order to foster greater cooperation for the joint defence of Indian Ocean by involving only neighbouring countries.
 

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coco islands belong to burma ,cocos to aussie
both names are similar
 

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And this is what you wrote:
i thought it is coco islands of burma which is near to india.which can be used to monitor the strategic Malacca strait as well as indian navywhile its difficult to monitor indian navy from cocos, its a very strategic position to deter chinese


any one who had a station at coco islands caneasily monitor indian navy.it is said that china has already placed a hearing post but denied by burma and india.

though us navy already uses diego gracias base its too far from strategic locations in indian ocean and bay of bengal
 

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US already has Naval base in Diego Garcia in indian ocean region India has little to zero power to stop US from acquiring bases in the IOR region except those islands controlled by india secondly do US really need a base all they had to do is park their Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carrier its an island in itself carrying 75+ Aircraft well the name speaks for it self pointless 8 page discussion
 
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US already has Naval base in Diego Garcia in indian ocean region India has little to zero power to stop US from acquiring bases in the IOR region except those islands controlled by india secondly do US really need a base all they had to do is park their Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carrier its an island in itself carrying 75+ Aircraft well the name speaks for it self pointless 8 page discussion
then where will you do regular maintenances?in the ocean?
not every thing can be done from sea.

true india can not do much stopping usa from acquiring bases,but china can
 

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India's INS Baaz, Australia's Christmas Islands and HMAS Coonawarra, and now if USA sets up Cocos/Keeling Islands, China would indeed be cornered.

Together these 4 bases can deny China any access to Indian Ocean, if required.
 

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Diego Garcia lease time period is ending in 2016 for Americans . So will the British extend the lease of the base or return back the base to its right full owners ?
 

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Diego Garcia lease time period is ending in 2016 for Americans . So will the British extend the lease of the base or return back the base to its right full owners ?
There is a 20 optional extension for the lease.

Mauritius sold the atoll for £3.000.000. In 2036 maybe they can offer to buy it back.

You need to provide more facts in your posts.
 

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then where will you do regular maintenances?in the ocean?
not every thing can be done from sea.

true india can not do much stopping usa from acquiring bases,but china can
yup the maintenance is done in the ocean on an island called Diego Garcia which is a a full fledged naval support and maintenance base this base is the main support and maintenance facility for US navy in IOR region

The United States Navy operates Naval Support Facility (NSF) Diego Garcia, a large naval ship and submarine support base, military air base, communications and space-tracking facility, and an anchorage for pre-positioned military supplies for regional operations aboard Military Sealift Command ships in the lagoon

Naval Support Facility Diego Garcia

The Naval Support Facility Diego Garcia provides Base Operating Services to tenant commands located on the island. The command's mission is "To provide logistic support to operational forces forward deployed to the Indian Ocean and Persian Gulf AORs in support of national policy objectives."[118]
As of January 2012, the facility supported the following tenant commands:
Maritime Pre-Positioning Ships Squadron TWO
Branch Health Clinic
Naval Computer And Telecommunications Station Far East Detachment Diego Garcia
Naval Mobile Construction Battalion Detachment
Naval Media Center Detachment Diego Garcia
Military Sealift Command Office Diego Garcia
Mission Support Facility
Fleet Logistics Center Diego Garcia
NAVFAC FE
36 MSG Pacific Air Force
Det 1, 715th AMOG (AMC)
AFSPC Det 2, 22nd Space Operations Squadron (ARTS & GPS)
AFSPC Det 2, 18th Space Surveillance Squadron (GEODSS)
Additionally, the USS Emory S. Land (AS-39) is forward deployed to Diego Garcia.

All consumable food and equipment is brought to Diego Garcia by sea or air, and all non-biodegradable waste is shipped off the island as well. From 1971 to 1973, United States Navy LSTs provided this service. Beginning in 1973, civilian ships were contracted to provide these services. From 2004 to 2009, the U.S.-flagged container ship MV Baffin Strait, often referred to as the "DGAR shuttle," delivered 250 containers every month from Singapore to Diego Garcia. The ship delivered more than 200,000 tons of cargo to the island each year. On the return trip to Singapore, it carried recyclable metals.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia
 
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