World War 2 without USA and USSR?

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  1. LurkerBaba

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    What would have been the outcome of WW2 if USA and USSR did not participate ?
     
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  4. KS

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    Japanese occupation of Indo-China and more Nankings in China. China's map altered to only the southern-south westerns part of today's china.

    Nazi occupation of europe and consolidation of their rule. Britain crushed and India comes under Nazi/Jap occupation.

    Indians then defeat both and save the world...:cool:
     
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  5. Son of Govinda

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    England would be run over the Nazi war machine, just like France. It wasn't a matter of it would be, but when. The geo-politics of the situation saved England from a swift defeat like France. Hitler's point of invading the USSR was to crush Stalin and force England into a treaty, and he would've crushed Stalin if America didn't start the lend-lease program with the USSR.

    Without the lend-lease program to both the USSR and England both countries would be missing key war supplies, and would be crushed by a far superior war economy.
     
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    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    One thing is for Sure France and Britian would have never ever in a million years managed to hold back Germany and Japan.

    The addition of Russia and USA where the only saving grace for the allies.
     
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    Hitler's plan was to get hold of Soviet resources, especially that of the Caucasian regions (oil), iron ore of the Magnitogorsk region, and a railway link to Japan, i.e. the Trans-Siberian Route.
     
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    The Japs were the most fanatic fighters,,much more zealous than any of their allies or opposition.
     
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    That was definitely the other great factor in his decision to invade. Hitler's war machine needed precious oil and couldn't rely solely on Romanian oil wells for much longer.

    But in private he stated his purpose was to force England into a treaty by defeating the USSR, so that has to be taken into account as well. Hitler had many dreams of an England allied to Germany.
     
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    Obvious is Obvious.. :)
     
  11. asianobserve

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    One of the most overlooked player that did more to tip the whole World to a real "World War" than anybody else is the USSR. Just think for a second if Stalin did not agree to the Nazi proposal for invading Poland that later on came to be known as the infamous "Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact" (I would call it the "Pact of the Second Pan European War"). I believe that Nazi Germany would not have invaded POland as he cannot assure USSR's neutrality, since Poland had a defence pact with UK and FRance who would certainly aid the latter. Up until that time Hitler was not yet too confident about his forces as he has yet to defeat a major European power, his Blitzkrieg was still a little more than a nice theory while objectively his forces does not hold overwhelming technological advantage over the Western European powers or the Soviets (note that the best Nazi tank at that time was the Panzer 2 armed with a 2 cm cannon)...
     
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    The more interesting question should be, what if the Nazi-Soviet alliance survived (even only until mid-1943)?
     
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