Why Pakistan interferes in Afghanistan

Srinivas_K

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Afganistan is a landlocked country and nearly 3/4 of its trade deponds on Pak. The central Asian republics are also land locked and some of them want to use Gwadar port in future as this is the nearest route for them to the sea.

These pashtuns reigons were part of India and Afghanistan throughout the history. Afganistan itself was formed as a state by Ahmed Shah Abdali in the middle of 18th century. Ranjit Singh has conquered the Pashtuns reigns of present day of Pak in 1820s and made them the part of his Sikh empire. Then British defeated Sikhs in 1849 and made the Pashtun reiogns part of the British India. Though Durand line was made legal only in 1890. Then Pak inherited these lands from British in 1947. So technically speaking the Pashtuns reigons of Pak were not in the custody of Afgans from past 200 years and Afgahnistan itself was formed as a state only in the middle of 18th century.
Iran is supporting Afghanistan's peace and development and is willing to give access, so even though the country is a landlocked one they can divert their trade routes through Iran.

Regarding Afghanistan I think you know about Durrani empire which was established by Afghans in 1700 A.D

Hotaki dynasty and Durrani Empire
Main articles: Hotaki dynasty and Durrani Empire


Mir Wais Hotak, considered as Grandfather of the Nation, revolted against the Safavids and declared southern Afghanistan an independent kingdom in 1709, which was later expanded by his son Mahmud to include Persia.
Mir Wais Hotak, seen as Afghanistan's George Washington,[84] successfully rebelled against the Persian Safavids in 1709. He overthrew and killed Gurgin Khan, and made the Afghan region independent from Persia. By 1713, Mir Wais had decisively defeated two larger Persian armies, one was led by Khusraw Khán (nephew of Gurgin) and the other by Rustam Khán. The armies were sent by Sultan Husayn, the Shah in Isfahan (now Iran), to re-take control of the Kandahar region.[85] Mir Wais died of a natural cause in 1715 and was succeeded by his brother Abdul Aziz, who was killed by Mir Wais' son Mahmud as a national traitor. In 1722, Mahmud led an Afghan army to the Persian capital of Isfahan, sacked the city after the Battle of Gulnabad and proclaimed himself King of Persia.[85] The Persians were disloyal to the Afghan rulers, and after the massacre of thousands of religious scholars, nobles, and members of the Safavid family, the Hotaki dynasty was ousted from Persia after the 1729 Battle of Damghan.[86]


Ahmad Shah Durrani, founder of the last Afghan empire and viewed as Father of the Nation.
In 1738, Nader Shah and his Afsharid forces captured Kandahar from Shah Hussain Hotaki, at which point the incarcerated 16 year old Ahmad Shah Durrani was freed and made the commander of Nader Shah's four thousand Abdali Afghans.[87] From Kandahar they set out to conquer India, passing through Ghazni, Kabul, Peshawar, and Lahore, and ultimately plundering Delhi after the Battle of Karnal. Nader Shah and his army abandoned Delhi but took with them huge treasure, which included the Koh-i-Noor and Darya-ye Noor diamonds.[88] After the death of Nader Shah in 1747, the Afghans chose Ahmad Shah Durrani as their head of state. Regarded as the founder of modern Afghanistan,[89][90][91] Durrani and his Afghan army conquered the entire present-day Afghanistan, Pakistan, Khorasan and Kohistan provinces of Iran, along with Delhi in India.[38] He defeated the Indian Maratha Empire, one of his biggest victories was the 1761 Battle of Panipat.
In October 1772, Ahmad Shah Durrani died of a natural cause and was buried at a site now adjacent to the Shrine of the Cloak in Kandahar. He was succeeded by his son, Timur Shah, who transferred the capital of Afghanistan from Kandahar to Kabul in 1776. After Timur Shah's death in 1793, the Durrani throne was passed down to his son Zaman Shah followed by Mahmud Shah, Shuja Shah and others.
The Afghan Empire was under threat in the early 19th century by the Persians in the west and the Sikhs in the east. The western provinces of Khorasan and Kohistan were taken by the Persians in 1800. Fateh Khan, leader of the Barakzai tribe, had installed 21 of his brothers in positions of power throughout the empire. After his death, they rebelled and divided up the provinces of the empire between themselves. During this turbulent period, Afghanistan had many temporary rulers until Dost Mohammad Khan declared himself emir in 1826.[92] The Punjab region was lost to Ranjit Singh, who invaded Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and in 1834 captured the city of Peshawar. In 1837, Akbar Khan and the Afghan army crossed the Khyber Pass to defeat the Sikhs at the Battle of Jamrud, killing Hari Singh Nalwa before retreating to Kabul.[93][94] By this time the British were advancing from the east and the First Anglo-Afghan War, one of the first major conflicts during the Great Game, was initiated.[95]



Pakistan is a young nation formed in 1947 compared to Afghanistan.

Afghans never accepted Durand line as a border between Pakistan and Afghanistan with British, The dispute is still there.
 
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The amount of mental gymnastics by some members in this thread is astounding.

- The number of Afghans who want a greater Pashtunistan are a minority even among the Pashtuns, even though this minority is much more vocal in its views. Most in Afghanistan realize that we can't handle an extra 25 million people, some of whom have been "Punjabized" to an extent that they would threaten the moral fabric of Afghan society.
- For those gushing about trade, you have no idea how trading works. Countries do not trade between each other as much as traders of those specific countries (aka the private sector) determine the economic policies of that nation, and this is more true for Afghanistan than for probably any other country in the region. The government facilitates ways for enhancement of trade, not trade itself.
- Continuing from my last point, the loss to Afghanistan from Pakistan sealing the border (which they have no money to do LOL) will be negligible since we already have full access to the Iranian ports of Bandar Abbas and Chahbahar as well as the Euroasian rail network, and we are also currently constructing the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Tajikistan railway network. In fact, Pakistan will suffer way more because it will lose one of its largest markets (which it regularly uses for price dumping) and the only practical and cheapest way to Central Asia.
- I am with farhaan on sending the refugees back and closing the border. I believe that is the only way to bring peace. We will mine the border and shoot anyone with a gun trying to cross. However, Pakistan lacks the finances, resources, and manpower to fence the border.
- In regards to t_co's comment, irredentist tendencies have only been expressed by a group of Pashtuns and never by any other ethnicity. Your thoughts amount to throwing the proverbial shit on a board and hoping it sticks.
- If any members feel like throwing around numbers, I would request for them to back them up with sources, otherwise your claims have no validity.
- The most ridiculous of the claims thus far is the one where Pashtuns somehow have more power in Pakistan, notwithstanding the fact that they rule Afghanistan and have the lions share of government jobs, land and military command.:rofl:
all your claim of finding another route for water access is a pipe dream.

Pakistan which infact is a door to central asia and has a GDP almost more than 10 times more than Afghanistan.is yet to do it on its own.

Now Tajikistan itself is funding the the road on both side of the border.for more detail the recent road between hasanabdal to abbottabad and beyond abbottabad is completely funded by them

Pakhtuns are 15% of pak population but they represent twice the size in armed forces.your well aware of pashtuns COAS ayub khan,yahya khan,nur khan, and to mention many more.

KPK budget per capita is highest in Pakistan.
Ghulam ishaq khan was a pashtun president of pakistan from bannu.

Punjabis has more dominance in pakistan because they are 95millions in pakistan compared to 35millions pashtuns.
similar is the case in afghanistan where pashtuns are in majority.but still they are the least in ANA.

anything is acceptable but please divert the supply line..believe me if the supply line of afghanistan through pakistan is stopped..majority of the pakistani problem will be indirectly solved..

Pakistan is very well capable of fencing the border but problems are the local pashtuns and there support for Afghanistan pashtuns..but this is changing quite fast.and i am sure within 5 years.they themselves will demand a sealed border with afghanistan
 

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all your claim of finding another route for water access is a pipe dream.

Pakistan which infact is a door to central asia and has a GDP almost more than 10 times more than Afghanistan.is yet to do it on its own.

Now Tajikistan itself is funding the the road on both side of the border.for more detail the recent road between hasanabdal to abbottabad and beyond abbottabad is completely funded by them

Pakhtuns are 15% of pak population but they represent twice the size in armed forces.your well aware of pashtuns COAS ayub khan,yahya khan,nur khan, and to mention many more.

KPK budget per capita is highest in Pakistan.
Ghulam ishaq khan was a pashtun president of pakistan from bannu.

Punjabis has more dominance in pakistan because they are 95millions in pakistan compared to 35millions pashtuns.
similar is the case in afghanistan where pashtuns are in majority.but still they are the least in ANA.

anything is acceptable but please divert the supply line..believe me if the supply line of afghanistan through pakistan is stopped..majority of the pakistani problem will be indirectly solved..

Pakistan is very well capable of fencing the border but problems are the local pashtuns and there support for Afghanistan pashtuns..but this is changing quite fast.and i am sure within 5 years.they themselves will demand a sealed border with afghanistan
Iran–Pakistan barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Chah Bahar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Chah Bahar is mainly for Afghan and Central Asian cargo)
Afghan, Tajik, Turkmen Presidents Open New Railway Construction
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16287929

The unbearable fact, for you at least, is that Iran (and Tajikistan) will always favour Afghanistan due to the Persian language binding all three.

The only pipe dream here is the billions of dollars that Pakistan needs to fence and maintain a 2000+km border.
 

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Why Pakistan interferes in Afghanistan

becoz Pakistan has long inferiority complex from India and want to rule the asia. but forgot that how pink the pig is, but it can''t fly :taunt::taunt:
 
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Iran–Pakistan barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Chah Bahar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Chah Bahar is mainly for Afghan and Central Asian cargo)
Afghan, Tajik, Turkmen Presidents Open New Railway Construction
BBC News - Afghan railway: First train runs on new line in north

The unbearable fact, for you at least, is that Iran (and Tajikistan) will always favour Afghanistan due to the Persian language binding all three.

The only pipe dream here is the billions of dollars that Pakistan needs to fence and maintain a 2000+km border.
As i said pipe dream.i can show you more than 10 such links about pak-iran-turkey railway..pak and tajikistan railway.pak and china railway.

Iran supporting Afghanistan?they will support america but not the afghans.

Meanwhile iran is now constructing a new refinery for more than 4billions dollars in gwadar.if chabhar was so great.they would have done it long back.
Most important part is the internal relation between ccentral asian country such as the relations between tajikistan and uzbekistan.both dont have good relations with Iran.

PAkistan is the shortest route to both central asian as well as afghanistan.
As i said if the govt want to fence the border.they will do it by any mean.but at the moment they dont want to.
 

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Just to clear up, in 2007, Pathans consisted of only 13.5% of the Pakistani Army. This is according to Pakistan's propaganda outlet, the ISPR. So in reality it's even lower. Their army is very much a Punjabi army, seen as foreigners for many Pathans.
 

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Just to clear up...Your figure is distorted..

The Pashtun representation in the army is between 15-22% among officers and between 20-25% among the regular rank-and-file. We have dozens of Army Chiefs, Lt. Generals, Major Generals in the past even today who are Pashtuns. And if you dont know this then thats not my fault.

Why don't you convince your pashtuns countrymen who are living illegally in Pak to come back to Afganistan. The world's largest city of Pashtuns is Karachi which also includes Afghan Pashtuns...Ask them to leave Karachi and go back to Kandahar.
 

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Just to clear up...Your figure is distorted..

The Pashtun representation in the army is between 15-22% among officers and between 20-25% among the regular rank-and-file. We have dozens of Army Chiefs, Lt. Generals, Major Generals in the past even today who are Pashtuns. And if you dont know this then thats not my fault.

Why don't you convince your pashtuns countrymen who are living illegally in Pak to come back to Afganistan. The world's largest city of Pashtuns is Karachi which also includes Afghan Pashtuns...Ask them to leave Karachi and go back to Kandahar.
Yes sir, I will ask them right away to come back home. :thumb:

But will Mullah Omar and Jalaluddin Haqqani also have to go? Or have you given them citizenship?
 

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No need to ask them because they are planning to go back to their mother land next year in 2014 anyway when US and Nato forces will be leaving Afganistan.
 

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No need to ask them because they are planning to go back to their mother land next year in 2014 anyway when US and Nato forces will be leaving Afganistan.
Then Afghans can stay in Pakistan for as long as they want. Many of them consider the land as their own.
 

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As i said pipe dream.i can show you more than 10 such links about pak-iran-turkey railway..pak and tajikistan railway.pak and china railway.

Iran supporting Afghanistan?they will support america but not the afghans.

Meanwhile iran is now constructing a new refinery for more than 4billions dollars in gwadar.if chabhar was so great.they would have done it long back.
Most important part is the internal relation between ccentral asian country such as the relations between tajikistan and uzbekistan.both dont have good relations with Iran.

PAkistan is the shortest route to both central asian as well as afghanistan.
As i said if the govt want to fence the border.they will do it by any mean.but at the moment they dont want to.
The US-Mexico fence alone costs more than $20 billion/ year, and it is on non-mountainous plains. Good luck finding that much money.

Yeah sure, which is why they have fenced off their border with Pakistan but not Afghanistan, right?

Iran's oil/gas deposits are massive. An extra refinery is negligible to them both in terms of cost and allocation of resources.
 

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Afganistan is a landlocked country and nearly 3/4 of its trade deponds on Pak. The central Asian republics are also land locked and some of them want to use Gwadar port in future as this is the nearest route for them to the sea.

These pashtuns reigons were part of India and Afghanistan throughout the history. Afganistan itself was formed as a state by Ahmed Shah Abdali in the middle of 18th century. Ranjit Singh has conquered the Pashtuns reigns of present day of Pak in 1820s and made them the part of his Sikh empire. Then British defeated Sikhs in 1849 and made the Pashtun reiogns part of the British India. Though Durand line was made legal only in 1890. Then Pak inherited these lands from British in 1947. So technically speaking the Pashtuns reigons of Pak were not in the custody of Afgans from past 200 years and Afgahnistan itself was formed as a state only in the middle of 18th century.
lolz...
finally you read about history so if pakistani say muslims ruled over hindus for 1000 yrs then for 29 yrs we pissed you off, ever since auregzeb died sikh were self rulers of their land that includes pakistani punjab and we are proud to be part of india.
as per u pakistan was created in 700 Ad when sindh and mutan were annexed, at that time no one new word pakistan...:rofl:

For your knowledge:
" The name "Afghanistan" is described by the 16th century Mughal Emperor Babur in his memoirs as well as by the later Persian scholar Firishta and Babur's descendants, referring to the traditional ethnic Pashtun territories between the Hindu Kush mountains and the Indus River."

The people of Afghanistan was multi-religious, which included Zoroastrians, Buddhists, worshippers of the sun, Hindus, Christians, Jews, and others.
 

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