Why Indian youth shying away from joining the Indian Army?

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  1. joe81

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    Today Indian Army is functioning with 12000 officers less, Indian Air Force with 1124 officers less and Indian navy with 429 officers less. Current Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor has even talked about conscription as an option on a future date if things do not improve. Career in Armed Forces is not priority choice of Indian youth. It is difficult to believe that young in India which constitute 75% of our billion strong population, in their quest for good things in life, have all but forgotten about the trials, tribulations, humiliations and exploitation which we as a country had suffered for almost 700 years in the hands of foreign invaders just because we were militarily weak.

    Training to become an officer in The Army begins after one gets selected as a Gentlemen Cadet, in National Defence Academy (NDA) Pune after qualifying in 10+2 or at Indian Military Academy (IMA) Dehradun if one is a graduate. The cadet in NDA during his three years stay there gets both Military and Academic expertise and is awarded graduation from the Pune University. IMA caters for specialized training for the Army and is for two years duration. The entire training in NDA and IMA is free of cost. The lodging, boarding, sports and other facilities are top class and can be compared to the best not only in India but the world. The thrust of this training is on complete and balanced personality development.

    Life in Army in true sense starts after the Cadet having completed his training successfully joins his battalion as a commissioned officer. Now commences his leadership training and grooming at the grass roots level. If it is Infantry he is appointed a platoon commander leading approximately 40 men and if it is Armoured Corps he is made a troop leader. The Officer learns his ropes and the intricacies of his profession under different situations actually leading these men. His superiors are always there to guide him and encourage him. It really is a unique experience, leading and looking after 40 men who trust you like a god and living up to their expectations.

    Unlike other central services where after the initial training life is smooth sailing with promotions coming at regular intervals, in Armed forces one continues doing structured training even unto the rank of a two star general. An officer by the time he becomes a one star general (Brigadier) normally has done approximately five to six training courses ranging from six months to one year duration. Armed forces take pride in their training institutions. Some of them, like Defence Services Staff College Wellington have almost 200 year old history. Most of these training institutions are affiliated with some teaching University so if you do Staff College you are also examined by Madras University which awards you post graduate degree. If you are selected to undergo Long Defence Management Course of one-year duration At College of Defence Management Secunderbad, you are awarded the Degree of Master of Management Services by Osmania University.

    There is no denying the fact that Army service with its adventure, the risk factor, the varied environment and terrain; the requirement of quick decision-making and accountability makes a real man out of you. One never calls it a day and always hopes against hope to keep oneself in positive frame of mind. After the rank of Major all promotions are by selection and are very fair. The pay and the perks are also good .The Armed Forces can not pay their officers like what corporate houses do but the pay and the pension are sufficient to lead a decent life. One may not be able to wine and dine in a five star hotel in Army’s pay but the Army Messes and Clubs are no less than five Stars if not more. The uniqueness of the Armed Forces service is that you do not loose your rank even after retirement and continue to get the same respect. Indeed a great tradition.

    It is really surprising that despite all this, youth are not coming to Armed Forces. This is a dangerous portend. In the last decade the Armed Forces have been trying to entice youth to join them by publicizing in the media but the results have not been encouraging. Only success story is commissioning of Women Officers in Armed Forces. Today there are 640 women officers in Army, 420 in Air Force and 100 in Navy. Recently Government has extended their service duration to 14 years and unto the rank of Lt.Col.May be they should now be given permanent commission in the Armed Forces to cater for the shortfall.

    To make career in Armed Forces more lucrative government must clear the long pending proposal of lateral movement of Armed Forces Officers into Paramilitary Forces And CPOs.If an IPS Officer with no knowledge of matters military can proceed on deputation to any of these paramilitary forces and CPOs why not a highly trained military officer who cuts his teeth fighting insurgency and militants?

    After 1962 China debacle, to attract youth to join Army in large numbers Government had reserved 33% vacancies in central services like IAS, IPS, and IFS to short service and emergency commissioned officers. Lot of these officers having served their motherland and after fighting Indo –Pak War of 1965, made use of this opportunity to join these services. Most of them did very well in these services and rose to very high ranks. Their Army service proved to be a great asset. Perceiving this as a threat to their domain our bureaucrats quietly made the Government withdraw this facility. It is time that this window of opportunity must again be opened.

    Another probable reason for the Armed Forces not getting the right type of youth for their officer cadre is that youth from rural background and less developed states like UP and Bihar are not able to qualify in the selection process it being very scientific and tough. Instead of waiting for end product in these areas the Armed Forces may identify the potential candidates when the students are in Eighth standard through the medium of National Cadet Corps and then groom them to come up to the right standards. These young minds should be taken to various remote areas where Army is deployed on adventure trips and made to see for themselves how the love for the country and adventure makes the adriline flow faster in the blood stream. Here again NCC can play a stellar role.

    Shortage of officers in Armed forces, specially at grass roots level, is a very serious matter and needs immediate attention of the Government at the Centre.India is surrounded by failed states like Pakistan and Bangladesh who are bent upon creating mischief in India.Naxal movement and Maoists are also on the rampage. Militancy in Jammu and Kashmir and North Eastern States contiues. In the time to come Army is more and more likely to get involved in fighting them in addition to its basic role of fighting external aggression. With 12000 officers less, this will be a Herculean task. The story of Indian Air Force and Navy is no better.
     
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    The situation is not good, but its not bad either that it cant be handled. 12,000 officers short was the number of shortfall even when i was in school.and that was a long time back. So its entirely possible that the replacements have come through.

    The only problem is the marketing of the forces i think. Corporates do a good job in attracting talent. Armed forces were once an automatic choice for many when job opportunities were lesser. Not today.
    But the pay package of army is not at all bad that one cant survive on it. the pensions are good as well if you complete your full service.

    If the army was desperate it could have already taken tough measures to fill the gap.

    The shortfall is at the lower level. Lieutenants, captains and majors to an extent. May be whats on offer at that level could be addressed if there is a problem and also marketed well.
     
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    Expect a major war that india fights to attract a lot of youths to join the army.
     
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    This is more a marketing problem ,a few bollywood war movies and millions of kids will line up to join.
     
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    Another option is to recruit from universities (after graduation or post graduation) instead of the current 10+2 system.
     
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    Remove rubbish requirement of 10+2 science in school and many more would join air force.
     
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    I doubt whether bollwood movies alone can do the trick. If so movies like 'Border' would have filled all the posts.
     
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    we cannot get rid of the 10+2 requirement. officer level has to be educated and then trained..you can join the armed forces even after graduation by joining IMA. My friend did that after completing B Sc.
     
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    True. I dont think elementary science taught in schools is anyway used in the Armed forces. Maybe ppl serving in the Armed forces can comment whether science is really required.
     
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    Science is very much part of the course in NDA.
     
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    You would require a good enough understanding of Physics and Chemistry , in IAF's case.
     
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    Academic training formed an integral part of the NDA curricula since its inception. Mr JTM Gibson, the first Principal, was instrumental in establishing and implementing academic training at the Inter Services Wing in the true pioneering spirit, against daunting odds.

    The National War Academy Syllabus and Establishment Committee (Jha Committee II) chaired by Dr Amarnath Jha drew up a two year course syllabus for the ISW in 1948, fixing the ratio of Academic subjects to Service subjects as 2:1. This syllabus was recognized as equivalent to Intermediate Science by a majority Indian Universities. The syllabus underwent modifications and amendments from time to time incorporating current trends and requirements. The syllabus in vogue in 1961 was comparable to that which was prevalent in Indian Universities. However, the coveted academic milestone was achieved through concerted efforts only in August 1973 when the NDA was finally degree linked and affiliated to the prestigious Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi. The 46th course achieved the unique distinction of being the first graduate course to pass out of NDA on 07 June 1974.

    The teaching of computer fundamentals to cadets was introduced as early as 1987. Even then, the growing impact of computer on armaments and warfare could be visualized in the shape of things to come. The ground realities of the Gulf War only served to underscore the inevitability, indispensability and effectiveness of Information Technology with regard to war. Computer education at the Academy finally came of age when the first batch of twenty - five cadets of ninety seventh course graduated with a B Sc degree in Computer Science in Dec 1999. Based on their academic profile and performance in the classification test, a cadet has the option of joining either the Science or the Humanities stream.

    Meanwhile, the syllabus saw several revisions, significantly, one by the Mahajani Committee in 1969 and another by the Committee for the Review of the Training of Officers of the three Services (CORTOS) in 1986. The aim was to update the training of cadets so as to keep pace with the changing world. The present syllabus at NDA is however the result of a major review of the two committees, namely, the Inter-Services Study Group(ISSG) and the Academic Study Group (ASG) constituted by the Chiefs of Staff Committee on 27 April 2004 and 02 Feb 2005 respectively. The ISSG reviewed the content of Service training while the ASG overhauled the academic curricula The new academic curricula recommended by the ASG constituted three categories of courses - the Compulsory Course, the Optional Course and the Foundation Course. The syllabus of the Compulsory Course comprising English, Foreign Languages, Physics ,Chemistry, Mathematics, Computer Science, History, Political science ,Economics and Geography, has been completely revamped. Cadets of all the streams study these subjects. On the other hand, the subjects covered under the Optional Course, which are taken up in the V and VI term, cater to the requirements of individual Services.Besides, the committee reorganised the subjects earlier taught under the nomenclature , " Common Service Subjects". It did this by doing away with cross-streaming. The earlier system of cross-streaming has been done away with and in its place was introduced the Foundation Course, consisting of two components, namely, Military Studies and General Studies. In Military Studies, topics such as Military Hisory, Military Geography, Weapons and Armaments etc., are taught. General Studies covers subjects like Environmental Sciences, Geopolitics, Human Rights, Law of Armed Conflict etc. The course was also linked to the degree conferred by the JNU, New Delhi.As far as Foreign Languages were concerned, the committee recommended that Arabic, Chinese, French and Russian be retained and that Foreign Languages be taught only to cadets who are proficient in both Hindi and English.

    The Education Branch is responsible for conduct of all activities related to academic training of cadets which constitutes 68% of the total training curriculum. The Principal is the head of the Education Branch. He is assisted by the Registrar who is responsible for planning, conduct and monitoring of all aspects pertaining to the three year degree course. Futher, the Education Branch is organized into twelve departmentswhich are run by the Heads of Department and a a team of Readers and Lecturers. The Vyas Library also functions as part of the Education Branch.
    Academic excellence is a prerequisite for continued trainability. Academic instruction at the NDA is imparted by qualified and highly motivated civilian and service instructors. The curriculum is well rounded but demanding. It is supported by up-to-date libraries and laboratories. The aim is to achieve excellence in academic pursuits without compromising on outdoor activities.
    http://nda.nic.in/html/nda-academic-training.html
     
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    This is not exactly as it looks, joining army in US is more easy than joining army in India. Israel guys can easily join army and for this they don't have to ridicules physical parameters absurd age limitations. Tell me a person of height five foot can't fight a war dare fully and can't win? Tell me a person having more than 30 years age can't understand the military strategics and can't fight well as compared to other young age guys?

    The shortage of officers is because of government's ridiculous limitations and restrictions which is useless? Is Israel army is weak or can't fight war better? They don't entertain such absurd parameters they just look about the desperate will and dedication of a being to join and serve for nation.

    Our army thinks guys of height less than 5'6" isn't eligible for army and can't fight well then how Napoleon won the half of globe at his time? How Adolph hitler become fear for world one day?
     
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    In India, majority of the ppl taking science in school want to become engineers or doctors (maybe under family pressure) and with the large number of engineering/medical colleges most of them manage to do so. But many of the people with the commerce background donot have large number of carrer options (might be changing with the growing economy). The armed forces can tap these pool of students (commerce background) and then give them proper training because even they have studied science till 10th.
     
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    Government must look about the will and dedication of aspirants NOT just marks on exams because marks don't represent a being completely. And I don't know any famous warrior who was too good in maths or science. These won't go for fight but a soldier and his mind go for fight and your exams marks won't do anything. If government make recruitment process easy then this shortage isn't possible.
     
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    We need that much inch of chest,
    that much height is must,
    that much numbers in exams is must,
    you can't join army if you are above 25,
    you must have graduation in this subject
    bla bla what the hell is this?

    Can guys more than 25 can't fight well? Can a person who has a little less numbers in exam can't win a war? Warfare isn't a written exam but a practical exam where actions decide your numbers NOT answer sheet.
     
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    No country other than India (or one or two other) requires 10+2 maths and physics to get into air force or civilian sector. Im talking about 11th and 12th. Its not like you are putting uneducated person into the hot chair....many people pick commerce and afterwards may want to join but cant because they didn't pick science after class 10. Tell me how many children really think of career in class 10 ? majority are presurred into pick whatever by there parents.
     
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    you are right Captonjohn, during the days of the British empire the British use to empty their prisons when they needed more recruits.
     
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    Maths skills form a major part of an officers ability. Esp if he is in the AF or Navy. That enhances other mental skills as well.
    There are certain parameters which have to followed to maintain the standard of the army. Like I said, the situation is not desperate. If not we could have seen drastic measures already.
     
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    You are seriously mistaken. Class 8 people will give you career advice these days. Did you see what they did at the Obama meet? You think the kids of today don't know anything? Then how did we manage all these years with the armed forces?
     

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