Why do Chinese students outperform Indians?

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  1. cir

    cir Senior Member Senior Member

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    February 3, 2012

    By Arindam Chaudhuri

    A handful of weeks back, in the ACER PISA test — the OECD’s annual global assessment of students’ skills (for South and South East Asia) — India came second from the bottom defeating Kyrgyzstan while China topped the list. This acts as the final nail in the coffin of India’s dented education system.

    In spite of arrays of pan-Indian educational programs, India still has not been able to make education inclusive for all. On the contrary, China since the last four decades has been rolling out ambitious plans to revamp their education system.

    The current Chinese education system extends from the guidelines that Premier Zhou Enlai gave in 1974; guidelines that are popularly known as sì gè xiàn dài huà or the ‘four modernisations’. And what are these? The education system in China revolves around agriculture, industry, technology and defense — that, as per the Chinese, are pivotal for the country’s development.

    China today has installed key schools meant for highly academically inclined students. China has adopted a policy of providing nine-year compulsory education to all with a special emphasis on vocational training and higher education.

    Contrast this with India, where a high-school student is unable to solve a basic mathematical problem or frame a sentence on his own.

    Moreover, Indian rural schools are mired with problems of infrastructure and above all suffer largely from the curse of teachers’ absenteeism. On an average, more than 30 per cent of teachers are found absent in rural schools.

    China’s focus on vocational education is also unique. In 2007, China allocated 14 billion yuan to be spent on vocational schools over the span of four years.

    Vocational education in China, unlike India, is not just confined to manufacturing but encompasses sectors like information technology, tourism and medicine.

    The government has also introduced projects like the State Project 211, State Project 895 and State Project 111, where special importance is given to top top 100 higher education institutes to enhance the quality of their graduates.

    Back in 2003, China invited foreign universities to set up campuses; India passed a similar bill seven years later. Foreign universities have elevated the level of education to fantastic levels. Consequently, China is doing exceedingly well in global rankings of late!

    Even in 2009, when the Paris based OECD, representing 34 countries, released its programme for International Student Assessment, the Shanghai region outperformed everyone else to be the top performer in all academic categories! According to OECD, China’s success is more because of its special emphasis on elite schools (key schools) where one is expected to shine par excellence.

    In 2003, the Academic Ranking of World Universities (ARWU) ranking showed that there were 23 Chinese universities amongst 35 featured in total. The top three Chinese universities that entered the top 200 worldwide university ranking included National Taiwan University, Chinese University of Hong Kong and Tsinghua University.

    There are more on the list of the top 500, including institutes likes Beihang University (formerly known as Beijing University of Aeronautics & Astronautics) and Beijing Normal University, which entered the ranking for the first time.

    In comparison, India produced a big blank sheet! Not only does India not figure anywhere in ARWU, but it is also invisible in the Times Higher Education World University Rankings and QS World University Rankings. India is way behind China in terms of even the number of universities.

    There are 545 universities in India compared to 2,236 in China. Even in medical colleges, there are about 630 colleges in China compared to 251 in India.

    The total enrollment in Indian universities is only 4.7 million compared to 11 million in China. The situation was similar some years back too when, in 2004-05, India churned out 464,743 engineering graduates while China produced 600,000 for the same year.

    According to National Alliance for the Fundamental Right to Education (NAFRE), in about 600,000 Indian villages, the education imparted is only basic, literacy instruction by semi educated (often not even that) teachers! Aping China, India did set up numerous vocational schools.

    Yet, even now, India has only 5,100 ITIs and 1,745 polytechnics (mostly dysfunctional) compared to China’s 500,000 VETs (Vocational Education and Training institutions).

    Clearly, not only is India far behind in the number of quality institutions, but India is decades behind in framing the right kind of policies.

    China is turning its population into this huge advantage, while we are ruining this massive possibility. Given the burgeoning population that we have, it is an imperative to educate everyone — or else the dividends would soon turn into a liability, if they’ve not already turned into one!

    By Arindam Chaudhuri — The author is a management guru and hony director of IIPM Think Tank. (The views expressed in this column belong to the writer and do not reflect those of this newspaper.)

    Why do Chinese students outperform Indians? | Deccan Chronicle
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    Why feed the troll? China only tests in a couple of its richest cities in hand picked schools. Their scores mean nothing.
     
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    score does not matter, its all about the vision to be creative, innovative and in a leading role.
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    I don't know if the premise of the opening post is correct or not.

    I do know that Chinese students are hard working.
     
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    Illusive Senior Member Senior Member

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    We must tell our students(North Indians) to eat more fish:laugh:, thats one of the reason South Indian do well:p and so does the Chinese.
     
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    The weird thing about the article is that it says they were unable to "frame a sentence" on their own...

    I've met workers with ZERO formal education and they are able to "form" bloody sentences.
     
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    Lets stop feeding the TROLL !!!! Good students don't necessarily have to be from just 1 country.
     
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    I think its not about intelligence, rather nervousness or stage fear. Personality development is important. Even the brightest fail if you are not confident yourself.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Now, why do they?

    Arindum Chaudhury has to run his huge education empire and so a wee bit of scaring the public is great for business!

    [​IMG]

    Arindam is the son of Malayendra Kisor Chaudhuri, who founded the Indian Institute of Planning and Management (IIPM) in 1973.
     
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    Yup! Dare to dream beyond the IIMs :lol: :rofl:
     
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    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    The opposite is true to. Watch this...

    [video=google;-6694143975371488739]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6694143975371488739[/video]
     
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    Chinese are kitabi kira, (book worm). when i was doing MBA in UK. In my uni they were lot of chinis students most of them age 45 and above all uncles and aunties. I remembered they used to bring electronic recorders to record lectures than whole night repeating it to understand..:rofl::rofl::laugh::laugh:

    in my hostel all chinki remain in there rooms reading books books. same lecture we understood in the room itself without recorders lolllllll.

    Imagine Obama giving lecture and lots of mics on his desk. In my class when ever professor started his lecture, all chniks ran towards his desk to put their recorders.lolllllll

    Interestingly we Indian outperformed them in all semesters. these chinks dont even participate in any discussion.they were just busy in recording everything...
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    Shows their dedication and hard work and if I were you, I would not laugh at them.

    Just compare PRC with India and you will know we are not really in a position to mock them.
     
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    What value does post graduation in IIT have ..?
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    GATE is probably slightly less competitive than IIT-JEE, but the value of a Master's Degree from IIT should not be less than a Bachelor's degree from IIT. Just my guess, but I don't know a lot about the curricula.
     
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    Indeed, India best chess player also world best player is Tamil I recalled.
    May be Chinese students are smart and work harder, big companies IT leader number, Indian ten times than Chinese,May be 5 times?
     
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    Common mate...! fish eating is not gonna make difference.

    Even north students has very decent number in IITs & probably highest in IAS. It's all about study environment & strong basic eductaion.
     
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    GATE is far lesser competitive than JEE. I was wondering about the value attached to it . But thanks for the reply.
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    GATE is less competitive than IIT-JEE because more people vie for the Bachelor's Degree than Master's Degree. That is what makes it more competitive. However, I have a hard time believing the knowledge gained in the Master's is inferior to that in Bachelor's.
     

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