Whose Chinese Military Is It?

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  1. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Whose Chinese Military Is It?

    Hu Jintao's seeming lack of control over the PLA should worry Washington.
    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/01/21/this_week_at_war_whos_chinese_military_is_it
     
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  3. Tshering22

    Tshering22 Sikkimese Saber Senior Member

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    Thanks for the topic Kunal. You know, This is what I was arguing with kickok1975 dude. He and most Chinese people in general seem to be nice and normal; even Hu and Wen keep praising in soft tones, and keep harping about peace and harmony and respect and do all the trade and stuff. But for some reason, the PLA does the opposite:

    -Gobbling down other's territories
    -Threatening other nations
    -Ramming boats into other nation's territories and staking claims
    -Claiming totally unrelated islands as their territory.

    I even asked this question to a lot of Chinese members who seem to be confused themselves or don't wish to share the concern: is CCP really in control of PLA or not? Because both of them are doing opposite of each other. Because trust me, if tomorrow PLA becomes too hard to control and if it ends up becoming a coup, We will have to dethrone MMS and Co. as a response and press hardline right wing into action too as a safety precaution.
     
  4. JustForLaughs

    JustForLaughs Regular Member

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    this is basic good cop bad cop. or rather hawks and doves. how funny people think its weak internal function.
     
  5. houde10000

    houde10000 Regular Member

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    It is too silly to argue about CCP control PLA

    you image the world how look like, then you believe it. If you know a little history about CCP,

    "Hu doesn't know J20 maiden fly", all chinese know it is just a joking, PLA is not a national amry, it is mostly a CCP army. China is stable because Chinese communist party can firmly control PLA.
     
  6. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    China is wealthier and mightier than before, The product of all those decades of nationalist education and teaching kids "national humiliation" has meant that China see Asia as its sphere of influence and will not accept other wise.
     
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    redragon Regular Member

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    Obviously, you can't tell between your own delusion and truth.
     
  8. pmaitra

    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    The outside garb of CCP notwithstanding, there are many in PRC who have this nationalistic feeling which have been nurtured by quite a few and the comments of some members, especially the glorifying references to earlier Chinese Empires, like the Qing Dynasty etc., does indicate the possibility of the PLA not necessarily toeing the CCP line. Whether PRC is losing control of its PLA or not is a matter of speculation right now, but we know what happened when the USSR was collapsing.
     
  9. civfanatic

    civfanatic Retired Moderator

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    The Qing was a foreign dynasty. Feeling proud of territorial conquests made by a foreign government whose territorial conquests happened to include your own home seems rather stupid to me.
     
  10. houde10000

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    Manzhou was Ming (Han) dynasty subsidiary, Qing Empire regarded themself as chinese

    Mr. civfanatic,

    It is nothing stupid, you know nothing about chinese history. Manzhou was a part of Ming dynasty, the first empire of Qing dynasty was also Ming's local officer, Manzhou was chinese Ming Empire subsidiary. And Qing Empire regards themself as chinese.

    Today, there are still 8 million Manzhou people living in China, and they are all chinese citizen, there is no Manzhou or Qing country in world today!!! But there is a UK in the world.
     
  11. kickok1975

    kickok1975 Stars and Ambassadors Stars and Ambassadors

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    These belong to our "mighty" Chinese PLA. They are as corrupted as their master CCP. I don't know if they can regain some "Glories" soon

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    p2prada Stars and Ambassadors Stars and Ambassadors

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    If a coup happens, we will not have to do anything. Sanctions and stopping FDI will automatically disintegrate the nation.
     
  13. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Isn't PLA is a self-managed organization with its own finances(PLA owns lots of corporations) ?
    Isn't Within PLA, there are several PLA regional division leadership struggling for power. ?

    You believe, what u see..
     
  14. tony4562

    tony4562 Tihar Jail Banned

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    The PLA was ordered out of the money-making business long ago in the 90's, that's why money PLA-owned businesses like United Airlines had to cease their operations.

    But PLA has since been compensated very well, and its officers too, from top to bottom, are being paid very well as well these days.

    However its just outsider's wishful thinking that there is any discoehesion between the PLA and the CCP top. Any officer of the PLA must be a member of the CCP, and there is party organization on every level and in every unit of the PLA. Every general owes their stars to either Jiang or Hu, no exception. There is however, very possible that there exists factions within the PLA.

    China today is run, in all practical sense, by a collection of around 500 powerful families, mostly descendants of the old revolutionaries.
     
  15. badguy2000

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    it reminds me of the conspracies such as Skull and Bones,Rothschild Family........etc..
     
  16. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    What abt your`s Ex President daughter & Her Husband ?
    They fall in the same category, na ?
     
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    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    Under current Chinese system, the possiblity of a successful military coup is zero
     
  18. redragon

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    exactly, you see what you can and believe what you want to.
     
  19. nimo_cn

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    If people knows about the story between 项英(Xiangying) and 叶挺(Yeting), they will know how tight CCP has been controlling PLA.

    I believe Hu will be most amused by the rumor that he had no idea about the maiden flight of J20.
     

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