Which countries have nuclear weapons

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  1. Yusuf

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-17511816

    Now we all know which countries have nukes.

    The point I make here is for the fanboys and jingoes in China, Pak and India who say they can blow away the world.

    Check the column which says operational warheads and the figure next to it for the three countries. It says "0"!!

    That is because all three countries keep their nukes in component form.

    No one has any on hair trigger and best up, none have a first strike arsenal.
     
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    Just curious about where they get their stockpile data?
     
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    [table="width: 500, class: grid, align: left"]
    [tr]
    [td]Country[/td]
    [td]Operational and strategic weapons*[/td]
    [td]Total arsenal**[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Russia[/td]
    [td]2,430[/td]
    [td]10,000[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]US[/td]
    [td]1,950[/td]
    [td]8,500[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]France[/td]
    [td]290[/td]
    [td]300[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]China[/td]
    [td]0[/td]
    [td]240[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]UK[/td]
    [td]160[/td]
    [td]225[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Israel[/td]
    [td]0[/td]
    [td]80[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Pakistan[/td]
    [td]0[/td]
    [td]90-110[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]India[/td]
    [td]0[/td]
    [td]80-100[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]North Korea[/td]
    [td]0[/td]
    [td]Fewer than 10[/td]
    [/tr]
    [/table]

    SOURCE: FEDERATION OF AMERICAN SCIENTISTS, AS OF 6 MARCH 2012

    *Strategic weapons are designed to target cities, missile locations and military headquarters as part of a strategic plan
    **Total arsenal inventory includes non-strategic and non-deployed weapons as well as stockpiles


    Link: BBC News - Which countries have nuclear weapons?
     
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    Yusuf, do you really think a deployed nuclear submarine has weapons in component form and does not have first strike capability?

    But either way, the funniest part is the estimate on China. 240, yeah right.:rolleyes:
     
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    That's right. The more fissile stockpile one had, the more nukes they can prepare. I would also look at the enrichment capacity and the estimates of stockpile of enriched fissile material. However, these being state secrets, we can, but only have estimates.
     
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    In my fast breeder thread I posted fissile material stockpile estimates, I don't remember exactly but indian
    Stockpiles were greater than a few p5 nations.
     
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    I think you were talking about this post (it's about Plutonium only I think):


     
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    Do you know that China does not send its boomers with nuclear tipped missiles?
    Yes chinese deterrent is about that number. For years the western intel had overestimated te number till it became clear that the Chinese had a smaller arsenal.
     
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    fissile material is relevant only if your arsenal is primarily based on fission bombs.

    100 kg's of HEU or pure plutonium, is enough for any of the p5 to put together 30-40 fusion bombs.
     
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    Fissile material stockpile does not mean we have warheads. Fissile material is reactor grade and has to be enriched to weapons grade and ten make bombs. India can make over a 2000 warheads with all that fissile material but we don't need to.

    Again point of the thread is to show the three countries dont have deployed nukes on hair trigger including china. If there is any move to operationalise, it will be caught. I don't think we will ever be "surprised" with a first strike by Pak unless out intel is off to sleep and our "radars are tuned to star plus".
     
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    Why would you have boomers without missiles? If a boomer is your second strike capability, you obviously must have warheads mated to missiles, of course, they wont be armed, but mated for sure.

    Clear about arsenal how? Whose research indicates that?

    China's primary threat is still the US. If the US and Russia feel it is necessary to hold thousands of warheads, why would China be comfortable with 240? The truth is no one knows how many warheads China has and dont be surprised if its way over 1000.

    It is silly to believe that China still has a weapons stockpile that has not changed in the last 30 years when their economic might has grown so much and they have almost replaced Russia as the US's primary threat and vice versa.
     
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    No one gives a shit about the Puki nukes anymore. A Puki launch is them signing their own death warrant and as an Indian I am willing to accept the collateral in India knowing that once and for all the silly state will be denuked, absolved and split into tiny military testing facilities and bases for India.

    China on the other hand is an existential threat to India as far as I am concerned and the sooner we demonstrate to them that we are an existential threat to them, the better. The sooner we attain threat parity the better.
     
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    How come India is in the 80-100 range for the last 3 or 4 years...:rolleyes:

    Somewhere something is not adding up...;)
     
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    i think this whole nuclear weapons stockpile thing is grossly over rated. its best to have a credible nuclear deterrrent and not indulge in meaningless production. after all if u have assured second strike capability with MIRV technology even a stockpile of 25 weapons is more than enough to deter.
     
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    Coz we are not ramping up our stockpile like the Pakis. Maintaining nukes is a costly and dangerous affair. As far as i know, India's aim is to get to about 200 warheads in the future. We keep a non weaponised stockpile of bomb grade plutonium that can be converted to warheads in days.
     
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    It is exact that. But fanboys don't get it. China deterred the mighty Soviets with 12 1st generation bombs!!
     
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    I think it was American pressure that deterred the Soviets, not the Chinese nuclear arsenal. The Red Army could have easily overrun North China, and unlike the West the Soviets were not afraid to take casualties in a nuclear war (limited as it may be, in the case of China).
     
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    Flawed argument, The Russians were numbered 120 million, with 10 million of them in Moscow alone. Russia's top 10 urban centers constituted in excedss of 40% of their population. 12 warheads was deterrence enough.

    Our deterrence against China has to be one-one. Maintaining a nuclear arsenal is not going to drain the country, we have enough spending power to maintain an arsenal of 200+ weapons. But the most important aspect is neither the number of weapons, nor the yield. It is the demonstrated capability to meet the claimed yield - which as much as you sugar coat it, is NOT THE CASE. This has nothing to do with being a fan boy.

    Once again, Indian nuclear weapons strategists dont know more that the collective wisdom of the P5. Look at that chart and please tell me why a country that will have more people than any other within the next 10 years still feels safe with that kind of firepower around and hardly anything to repel it.
     

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