USA's biggest import from India

[pmaitra]

What i am sayin is, their potential will not be fully utilized in India.

That is the main point.

If these IITians stayed in India, India will not get the returns anyway. So to look at it as an investment-return issue is flawed.

 

[KS]

And btw sorry to interject here - but this thinking that everyone will "run to the US the first chance they get" is another NehruGandhi era hangover. I am surprised that you think that way, in 2012.

Personally, I have umpteen chances to go to the US or any other country. I made a conscious choice not to. Because I am certain that I am better off in India that in the US or any Western nation. I am doing better, leading a more comfortable life here than my NRI counterparts, and it will only get better.

Before discussing about imposing any contract/bond, first this unnecessary "phoren" obsession needs to go.

Why ? because you thought you can lead a more comfortable life materially here in India than in US. It was a decision borne most probably out of material/practical reasons than due to any patriotism. Or are you saying that even if you had got an opportunity for a much better lifestyle in US ,you would have not have taken it ?

For a student who might have been raised in a poor family and who sees a good opportunity in life by going to other country, its very unfortunate for him being labelled a bastard, for the only reason he wanted to lead a more comfortable life.

 

[trackwhack]

What i am sayin is, their potential will not be fully utilized in India. Besides the salary they receive in India would not compare to that which they receive in the US. Add to that the corruption and red tape bullsh!t. I think its only natural that the seek better opportunities abroad. I know its not fair that many of them leave the nation, but the GoI should use its money and resources in a better way to retain them and reverse this brain drain.The GoI should do something about it.
PS: They may have left the nation, but the nation has not left their hearts.

You are saying this because you underestimate the power of resourcefulness. If an IITan puts in 30% of the effort that they put in to get into and pass out of an IIT, he/she would have created at least 10,000 jobs by before he called it a day.

 

[Bangalorean]

What i am sayin is, their potential will not be fully utilized in India. Besides the salary they receive in India would not compare to that which they receive in the US. Add to that the corruption and red tape bullsh!t. I think its only natural that the seek better opportunities abroad. I know its not fair that many of them leave the nation, but the GoI should use its money and resources in a better way to retain them and reverse this brain drain.The GoI should do something about it.
PS: They may have left the nation, but the nation has not left their hearts.

Like I have been saying in my earlier posts in this thread - let us not use "present tense" please. What you are saying was true of the NehruGandhi era, much less so today.

Salary comparisons are useless. Like I said, I live a better life in India with my Indian salary, than my NRI friends do with their American salary in the USA. And how does corruption and red tape effect a salaried employee? You hardly need to interact with any government babus. Maybe once in 5 years, maybe even less!!! If you are an entrepreneur or businessman, then I agree - red tape and corruption will be an issue. But how many of these NRIs are entrepreneurs? 0.5%? 0.1%? I think, even less.

All this talk of "problems in India causing people to leave" is bullshit in today's day and age. It was ok till the 90s - today, it is just "phoren obsession" that drives people out.

 

[Bangalorean]

Why ? because you thought you can lead a more comfortable life materially here in India than in US. It was a decision borne most probably out of material/practical reasons than due to any patriotism. Or are you saying that even if you had got an opportunity for a much better lifestyle in US ,you would have not have taken it ?

For a student who might have been raised in a poor family and who sees a good opportunity in life by going to other country, its very unfortunate for him being labelled a bastard, for the only reason he wanted to lead a more comfortable life.

I made it clear that it was due to material reasons, didn't I? Why the follow-up question? Did I claim that it was out of "patriotism"?

The reason I responded to your post was not because I agree with their categorization as "bastards" - I don't. I wouldn't use such a strong word. The reason I responded to you was because I saw NehruGandhi era "phoren obsession" in your post. Material life is better here on an Indian salary than it is in the US on an American salary. So let us all stop this propaganda about "every Indian wanting to run away from the country if he gets a chance, and crib otherwise". I oppose such statements in general since it is not representative of the educated Indian today.

 

[tiranga]

That's is a very old video, "reverse brain drain " is the new mantra... see for yourself

 

[trackwhack]

Why ? because you thought you can lead a more comfortable life materially here in India than in US. It was a decision borne most probably out of material/practical reasons than due to any patriotism. Or are you saying that even if you had got an opportunity for a much better lifestyle in US ,you would have not have taken it ?

For a student who might have been raised in a poor family and who sees a good opportunity in life by going to other country, its very unfortunate for him being labelled a bastard, for the only reason he wanted to lead a more comfortable life.

How many poor IITan do you know who stayed back in India and continued in poverty?

 

[Ray]

In my eyes every one of them is a bastard. The ones that run away, that is.

If one gives the people opportunity to live their lives with dignity and adequate to keep the home fires burning, who would leave familiar surroundings and their near and dear ones?

The 'reverse brain drain' is because with all the money accumulated abroad, one can live the life of affluence in India, while the same may not be true if they lived in perpetuity where they had gone.

 

[JAISWAL]

i dont know what that reverse brain drain you all are talking about and i am still to see any benefit of it.
And regarding the part that Indian didnt stay back in India is only due to lack of opertunity in India. Other wise non of them would leave their home.

 

[thakur_ritesh]

are we proud of this US import?

more than anything it is a shame and hugely telling on how and what sort of opportunities india presents and the way this country operates.

but still india has not learnt, we are still stuck with age old socialism, something we like to personify, cherish and glamorise, a land where when amratya sen says that the government should focus more on 80% and not so much on 20% who would be highest revenue generators, hugely productive, gets celebrated, a land where the aruna roy's and the super governments like NAC's decide for india than an economist PM, in such a land opportunities are only to be lost, and more than the market decide for it self we have politicians and babus decide it for us. to start a business is torturous, and more so if it involves huge capital, there remain many looters who want a share of it even before you have started.

india, but is a land of missed opportunities, so it was, so it is. dont fault the people leaving the country, fault the system that prevails in india.

Here is a contract scheme... all IIT grads must work 5 years at DRDO. Then they can actually finish something.

that would be the most faulty start to their careers ever. work with the best, and the training and work ethics one will learn will last life long. do it otherwise and at every given opportunity people will do, what is called in hindi, haramkhori.

 

[Ray]

On the issue of pride about the import, it is simple to answer.

There is nothing to be proud about or ashamed about.

It is a question of opportunities and personal preferences of how one wants to chalk out one's life.

Are we proud that urban professionals of India do not go to the rural areas where there is a crying need?

They should.

Why do they not go to the rural areas?

The answer that one gets, is the same as to why Indians go abroad and stay there.

 

[SADAKHUSH]

In my eyes every one of them is a bastard. The ones that run away, that is.

If a graduate of reputable education institute who has been trained day in day out for five years to be creative and hands on person cannot find a position where his knowledge cannot be utilized to the max and he sees no opportunity of gaining practical experience, what is he or she supposed to do?
As you have highlighted in one of your post that you are gainfully employed by a reputable company may I suggest you to hire the new graduates so that you will not be forced to use derogatory language towards your fellow Indian brother or sister. It is uncalled for when it comes from a very well educated person like you.

I hate to go off topic, if you can help in cleaning up the corruption once for all you will see majority of them will stay in India and make an excellent contribution for the growth of India's economy in all sectors.

 

[SADAKHUSH]

On the issue of pride about the import, it is simple to answer.

There is nothing to be proud about or ashamed about.

It is a question of opportunities and personal preferences of how one wants to chalk out one's life.

Are we proud that urban professionals of India do not go to the rural areas where there is a crying need?

They should.

Why do they not go to the rural areas?

The answer that one gets, is the same as to why Indians go abroad and stay there.

I hope people think the way you do before using abusive language toward others. I would have not left my motherland had it not been for the corruption and demand for bribes just to attest my mark sheet by DM's peon.

 

[trackwhack]

There is never a shortage of excuses for leaving. The strength of overcoming adversity and creating opportunity is what has characterized the greatest of men.

It is shameful to leave and then outrageous to justify. Apologies to those offended. Its something I feel strongly about. I wasn't blessed with what it took to get past IIT, but with whatever talent I was blessed with I promised to ensure I made a direct contribution to the country's exchequer, a part of which corrupt administrators and politicians do eat up but a fair share goes into nation building.

 

[Bhadra]

I hope people think the way you do before using abusive language toward others. I would have not left my motherland had it not been for the corruption and demand for bribes just to attest my mark sheet by DM's peon.

Well you climbed up to a position of migration by paying all the time ? There is no contribution of the society or the state in taking you upto that point?

 

[Bangalorean]

Sir, if you get a chance to work outside as a consultant for your firm, do it. As long as the firm is listed on the Indian market, there is a substantial amount that goes as taxes and another chunk that comes in as foreign exchange. You are contributing to our economy by doing so. That apart the slot you leave vacant gets occupied by another Indian back home

I happen to work in the consulting field, and I very often need to make trips abroad, to the client site - usually 2-3 times a year - at least 2. I do bring some forex back with me each time.

My "base" has always been in India though, and will always remain so, if I can help it.

My company however, is not an Indian company, though a majority of its employees are Indians - nearly 70% actually! This condition (of the company being listed on the Indian exchange) is a little tough to meet, since there are a lot of factors that come into play while looking for a job.

My end aim in life is to quit this IT field and start something of my own here, in India. Let us see when I can achieve that!

 

[thakur_ritesh]

On the issue of pride about the import, it is simple to answer.

There is nothing to be proud about or ashamed about.

It is a question of opportunities and personal preferences of how one wants to chalk out one's life.

Are we proud that urban professionals of India do not go to the rural areas where there is a crying need?

They should.

Why do they not go to the rural areas?

The answer that one gets, is the same as to why Indians go abroad and stay there.

Sir,

shame not on the people who leave but on the way india has been made to evolve, where the opportunities have been made extremely limited.

it is abundantly clear the huge benefits that reforms brought to india, but for petty political gains our politicians either hesitate to tread the line that brought the benefits, fine example of which is the present UPA which has slept and had almost forgotten till the recent past that there was even a thing called economic reforms, or when these people took a call, the opposition did the same. if anything its been our biggest misfortune. had we done the reforms better and had kept a steady pace the top end wouldnt have been a merger 20% about which amratya sen wouldnt have bothered about, but closer to 30% and our politicians would have heated debated of enlarging this base to 50% by the end of this decade.

In my eyes every one of them is a EDITED. The ones that run away, that is.

Trackwhack,

it will be better if you edit that word out. all it will do is cause unnecessary heart burns for some and every chance then a very good thread going a waste.

 

[Ray]

I hope those who wish to indicate that they have done well for the country by staying back, have also gone to the rural areas and done some upliftment.

There are few who can really say that they have been selflessly devoted to the country.

 

[amitkriit]

Here is a contract scheme... all IIT grads must work 5 years at DRDO. Then they can actually finish something.

I am from IIT Kharagpur. DRDO visits our campus, but no one joins for mainly two reasons:
a) The South Indian lobby inside the organization (same lobby works in ISRO as well), which is selective on who gets promoted and who gets to do important jobs.
b) No respect for quality and innovation.

IITs have already put blanket ban over the foreign placement, most of these guys go to USA for higher studies and never come back.

 

[Bangalorean]

I hate to go off topic, if you can help in cleaning up the corruption once for all you will see majority of them will stay in India and make an excellent contribution for the growth of India's economy in all sectors.

While I do not agree with abusing people who leave (hey, it is a personal choice after all), I cannot agree with your statements on corruption. I just cannot accept this.
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Yes, Indian babus are corrupt. But tell me, how often does one have to interact with government babus? Once if 5 years? Or even less! I will not accept that this infrequent interaction with babus has managed to disgust hundreds of thousands of people and made them run away for good!!! :bs:

Yes, babus are a major problem if you are an entrepreneur or businessman. Tell me, how many Desis go and become entrepreneurs or businessmen? 0.1%? I think even less!!

I'll tell you how it is. In the earlier days, people used to go abroad because India had no opportunities and no scope. These days, those who do, do so either out of "phoren" obsession or societal/family pressure/expectation. That is all there is to it - it is very simple.