US spending $20m a week on Ukrainian rioters?

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    US spending $20m a week on Ukrainian rioters?

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    Victoria Nuland joined Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt during her visit to Kiev in December

    US funding Ukraine riots?

    F-word from US Assistant Secretary of State

    Russia tapped US phone calls?

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    BBC News - Ukraine crisis: Leaked phone call embarrasses US
     
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    Putin just scored another one over Obama...
     
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    merika should know that they are dealing with Putin not Yetlsin.Poor yanks.
     
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    Intercepted F-Bomb Phone Call Shows U.S. Role in Ukraine

    Some undiplomatic language by the top U.S. diplomat for Europe has rattled relations with the European Union and added more tension to the East-West strains over Ukraine’s political crisis.

    “F--k the EU,” Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland said in a private phone call, expressing frustration with European Union efforts to resolve Ukraine’s political turmoil.

    On the eve of Russia’s showcase Olympics in Sochi, the U.S. suggested yesterday that Moscow’s intelligence apparatus was involved in some way with the leaked recording of the intercepted phone call between Nuland and U.S. ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt. The call was made last month, based on references in the discussion.

    State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki blamed Russian “tradecraft” -- a word used to describe espionage activity -- after an unknown individual posted the audio recording on Google Inc.’s (GOOG) YouTube. The clip, which was subtitled in Russian rather than Ukrainian and accompanied by photographs and images of people mentioned in the call, was reported by the Kyiv Post earlier yesterday as Nuland arrived for talks in the Ukrainian capital.

    While saying the U.S. doesn’t know who recorded the call or posted it, Psaki said an aide to Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin was the first to draw attention to it in a posting on Twitter Inc. (TWTR) The aide, Dmitry Loskutov, tweeted in English: “Sort of controversial judgment from Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland speaking about the EU.”

    “We think this is a new low in Russian tradecraft, in terms of publicizing, posting,” Psaki told reporters yesterday in Washington.

    U.S. Apology

    Psaki didn’t dispute the authenticity of the recording and said Nuland has called EU officials to apologize. Psaki joked that those who know her aren’t surprised by Nuland’s language in private conversations.

    “You may know the story of how she lived on a Russian boat for about eight months when she was 23, and she learned how to perfect, perhaps, certain words in a couple of languages,” Psaki said.

    She is also familiar with Cold War-style techniques. Nuland, 52, a former State Department spokeswoman who speaks Russian and French, began her career covering the Soviet Union’s internal politics at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow and also served on the Soviet Desk in Washington from 1988 to 1990. She is now assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, which includes Russia.

    Opposition Fallout

    The disclosure of eavesdropping on a U.S. official follows months of controversy about the American electronic snooping made public by former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden, who has been given asylum in Russia as he seeks to avoid U.S. prosecution for disseminating classified information.

    The recorded call may cause trouble for the Ukrainian political opposition, which has tried to fend off Russian assertions that it’s acting on behalf of Western interests.

    Russian officials have said that the pro-Western protests that began last year against President Viktor Yanukovych are being financed and directed by the U.S. and Europe governments. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said last week that European governments helped incite street violence by backing the protest.

    White House spokesman spokesman Jay Carney told reporters in Washington yesterday it is “certainly no secret” that U.S. officials “have been working with the government of Ukraine, with the opposition, with business and civil society leaders to support their efforts to find a peaceful solution through dialogue and political and economic reform. Ultimately, it’s up to the Ukrainian people to decide their future.”

    Picking Leaders

    On the phone call, Nuland discussed which opposition figures should and shouldn’t join a new government in Kiev under an offer last month by Yanukovych. The Ukrainian president proposed that opposition leader Arseniy Yatsenyuk would become prime minister and another opposition figure, former boxer Vitali Klitschko, would become deputy prime minister.

    Nuland said she was agreeable toward “Yats” taking the post, though, “I don’t think Klits should go into the government. I don’t think it’s necessary, I don’t think it’s a good idea.”

    ‘Top Dog’

    “I guess, in terms of him not going into the government, just let him stay out and do his political homework,” responded Pyatt. “I’m just thinking in terms of sort of the process moving ahead, we want to move the moderate democrats together and the problem is going to be” Oleh Tyahnybok, who is another protest leader, and his followers.

    “I think Yats is the guy who’s got the economic experience, the governing experience,” Nuland said.

    The two opposition figures turned down Yanukovych’s offer. Nuland met yesterday with the Ukrainian president in Kiev.

    Pyatt said Klitschko has been the “top dog” in the opposition and urged Nuland to “reach out to him.” He said that “Russians will be working behind the scenes to torpedo” a deal.

    The two Americans also discussed administration efforts to persuade United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to send an envoy, Robert Serry, a former Dutch ambassador to Kiev, to help facilitate a political agreement.

    “So that would be great I think to help glue this thing, and have the UN help glue it, and you know, f--k the EU,” Nuland said.

    ‘Atta Boy’

    She also suggested arranging to have Vice President Joe Biden give an “atta boy” call to Yanukovych to keep pressure on him for a deal. Biden has made four phone calls to Yanukovych since Jan. 27, according to White House statements.

    Balazs Jarabik, a senior fellow at the Central European Policy Institute, a policy group based in Bratislava, Slovakia, said that Ukrainians were discussing the leaked Nuland call.

    “The issue is that the EU cannot really choose what policy to choose and what policy would be the necessary follow-up on the Ukrainian crisis,” Jarabik said.

    While Russia and the U.S. jockey over the future orientation of Ukraine, Oleksiy Semeniy, who was a chief adviser to former President Victor Yuschenko’s foreign affairs department, said “almost all options are open, and the situation changes almost every week.”

    After Olympics

    Until the end of the Olympics, Semeniy said, there’s likely to be no crucial changes to Russia’s position. Russian President Vladimir Putin’s goal is to ensure that Russia doesn’t “lose control over its so-called area of influence,” Semeniy said on a phone call with reporters arranged by the Atlantic Council, a Washington policy group

    The West, and particularly the U.S., has shown a “dramatic escalation” in engagement with Ukraine, probably to take advantage of “the opportunity of Russia so-called distancing itself because of the Olympics,” Semeniy said. “It’s a huge contrast to the position even seven months ago, because seven months ago we couldn’t speak about dramatic actions by the West,” he said.

    To contact the reporters on this story: Terry Atlas in Washington at [email protected]; Nicole Gaouette in Washington at [email protected]

    To contact the editor responsible for this story: John Walcott at [email protected]


    Intercepted F-Bomb Phone Call Shows U.S. Role in Ukraine - Bloomberg
     
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    Re: Intercepted F-Bomb Phone Call Shows U.S. Role in Ukraine

    F*** the EU: Senior US diplomat makes her position clear in bugged conversation with Ukraine envoy - Americas - World - The Independent

    A senior US diplomat has apologised after having allegedly been caught declaring “f*** the EU” over its position on Ukraine during an apparently bugged telephone conversation.

    The US has suggested Russia may have been involved in hacking of the call after a tape of the alleged conversation between the top US diplomat for Europe, Victoria Nuland, and the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt was made public via YouTube.

    State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said that if the Russians were responsible for listening to, recording and posting a private diplomatic telephone conversation, it would be “a new low in Russian tradecraft”.

    When asked if the call was authentic, Ms Psaki would not directly confirm it was Ms Nuland's voice but said: “I didn't say it was inauthentic.”

    She said Mrs Nuland “has been in contact with her EU counterparts and of course has apologised for these reported comments”.

    US officials noted that an aide to Russian deputy prime minister, Dmitry Rogozin, was among the first to tweet about the YouTube video, which has Russian subtitles.

    In the audio, voices resembling those of Mrs Nuland and Mr Pyatt discuss international efforts to resolve Ukraine's ongoing political crisis.

    At one point, the voice that sounds like Mrs Nuland’s suggests that the EU's position should be ignored after she tells Mr Pyatt that Ban Ki-Moonis going to appoint Robert Serry, the former Dutch ambassador to Kiev as his representative in Ukraine. “That would be great I think to help glue this thing and have the UN glue it and you know, F*** the EU,” the voice says.

    [video=youtube_share;8YSFNOaJupE]http://youtu.be/8YSFNOaJupE[/video]

    In a tweet, posted seven hours before the video's existence became widely known on Thursday, the Rogozin aide, Dmitry Loskutov, suggested the conversation was “sort of controversial judgment from Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland speaking about the EU.”

    White House spokesman Jay Carney pointed to the tweet and Russia's apparent interest in what has become a struggle between pro-Moscow and pro-Western camps in the former Soviet Republic, but did not comment on the source of the audio or the substance of the conversation.

    “I would say that since the video was first noted and tweeted out by the Russian government, I think it says something about Russia's role,” Mr Carney said.

    A State Department official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the audio sounded like an authentic recording of a call that occurred last week.

    The YouTube video was posted on 4 February and is titled the “ Marionettes of Maidan” in Russian.

    Maidan is the name of the main square in the Ukrainian capital of Kiev, which has become the centre of opposition protests against the Ukraine government following its decision to strengthen ties with Russia over a political and trade deal with the European Union. It contains Russian-language subtitling of the conversation, raising suspicions that it was posted by a Russia-friendly source.

    The practice of eavesdropping on the phone calls of other governments - even between allies - was the first diplomatic fallout from the publication of documents taken by former National Security Agency analyst Edward Snowden. The documents he took showed that the United States listened in to the phone calls of allies such as German Chancellor Angela Merkel. Mrs Merkel was outraged and part of the US response was that such practice is common on both sides around the world.
     
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    Re: Intercepted F-Bomb Phone Call Shows U.S. Role in Ukraine

    I just wanted to point it out and give exposure to all threads.
    So that people do not believe the story that the US supports freedom and democracy and all those other goodies. So that people understand that the US routinely meddles with internal affairs of nations to meet their their own needs. People were skeptical when early in this thread (http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...e-postpones-trade-suicide-halts-talks-eu.html) I was pointing out that these protests had trademark signatures of US meddling.
    As for merging, it is up to the mods.
    Merging will reduce clutter but at the same time it will reduce exposure (as people may not read it when it is merged with that bigger thread).
     
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    U.S. Profanity and Impotence in Ukraine - Bloomberg

    Cold War spy craft appears to be repeating itself as farce in Ukraine.

    An audio recording with Russian subtitles -- posted on YouTube and advertised by Russian officials on Twitter -- has severely embarrassed two U.S. diplomats, purportedly taped as they tried to resolve the political crisis in Ukraine. Russia seems to believe this proves dastardly American interference in the affairs of a sovereign country. Instead, it exposes the minimal influence that the U.S. has on events in Eastern Europe's biggest nation.

    In the clip, voices resembling those of U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, are heard discussing a proposal by President Viktor Yanukovych to defuse protests against him by offering the posts of prime minister and deputy prime minister to two parliamentary opposition leaders, Arseni Yatsenyuk and Vitali Klitschko, respectively.

    The man and woman holding the recorded conversation – let's call them Nuland and Pyatt, since the U.S. has not denied the clip's authenticity – use familiar nicknames for the opposition figures: Yatsenyuk is "Yats" and Klitschko is "Klitsch." Pyatt appears to be briefing Nuland for a phone conversation with Klitschko, the purpose of which is to dissuade him from joining the government. Yatsenyuk, for his part, is encouraged to accept, because the former central banker has "the economic experience, the governing experience." Nuland then switches to the subject of international mediation, breaking the news that a U.N. envoy, Dutch diplomat Robert Serry, was soon to visit Kiev. "So that would be great, I think, to glue this thing and help the U.N. glue it, and, you know, f--ck the EU," she says.

    "Exactly," Pyatt agrees. He then says the U.S. diplomats should work on "some kind of outreach to Yanukovych."

    A YouTube user calling himself Lev Nikolayevich Myshkin, after the main character in Fyodor Dostoyevsky's The Idiot, posted the video on Feb. 5. It got no attention, however, until Dmitry Loskutov tweeted the link at 11:35 a.m. on Feb. 6. This appears to be the oldest mention of the video on Twitter. Loskutov is an aide to Deputy Prime Minister Dmitri Rogozin, Russia's former envoy to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, who is now in charge of the Russian defense industry. Rogozin weighed in with a gleeful tweet, commenting: "My former colleague from my time in Brussels, V. Nuland, has always had an active civic stand, especially on the EU."

    The Russian propaganda take on the video can be gleaned from the coverage it received on state-owned Russia Today channel. "In the conversation, it sounds like the two officials are playing a game of chess, strategizing on how to put together the government of another country," commented the channel's Marina Portnaya.

    The way things turned out in Kiev suggests that is wrong, even laughable. Both Yatsenyuk and Klitschko declined Yanukovych's offer, under pressure from protesters insisting that heir months-long vigil on the streets of Kiev was not about securing ministerial posts for a few opposition legislators. A stalemate ensued with Yanukovych dismissing Mykola Azarov's government and appointing Serhiy Arbuzov, a close friend of his older son, Alexander Yanukovych, as acting prime minister. The parties are now bogged down in useless talks as protesters lick their wounds and prepare to repel more attacks by riot police. International mediation by any organization, be it the U.N. or the EU, has not led to any tangible results.

    That politicians in most countries are happy to talk to top U.S. diplomats such as Nuland and Pyatt should surprise no one. Whether those politicians listen to any advice given is another matter altogether. The tapped conversation, if genuine, also reveals that the U.S. diplomats only had ready access to the more easily available parties in Ukraine's crisis -- pretty much anyone who wants to talk to the opposition leaders, from rank-and-file demonstrators to journalists, can. Nuland and Pyatt, however, did not appear to have an open channel to Yanukovych.

    If anything, the recording proves that no outside force controls what is happening in Ukraine. Nor do does any one insider or group. The interests of Yanukovych, clans within his Party of Regions, the various opposition leaders and street protest factions diverge so widely that bringing them together would be a mammoth task even for someone with supreme diplomatic skills. Judging by Nuland's profane outburst against the EU on a telephone connection she must have known was vulnerable to tapping, she does not have them.

    The U.S. response has concentrated on the apparent Russian origin of the clip. State Department spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki called it "a new low in Russian tradecraft." Rogozin had fun with that in a sarcastic tweet: "Well, naturally it's all the Russian's fault for being the first to publish the YouTube link on Twitter." Instead of blaming Russian spies, whose presence in Ukraine also should surprise no one, the U.S. should apologize for Nuland's outburst against equally impotent European allies, and point out that the recording confirms the innocuous, if ineffective, nature of U.S. involvement in Kiev.

    (Leonid Bershidsky writes on Russia, Europe and technology for Bloomberg View. Follow him on Twitter.)

    To contact the writer of this article: Leonid Bershidsky at [email protected]

    To contact the editor responsible for this article: Marc Champion at [email protected]
     
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    BBC News - Ukraine crisis: US apology over Victoria Nuland call gaffe

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    Basically, the US has little regard for any other country including it's stooges. Time and again it interferes if not creates domestic problems in countries that do not say "Ji Huzur".

    In the olden days, media and press was limited in it's reach to the populace. But in this day of hi-tech, these revelations will have damning influence on the global outlook countries and international organizations have towards the USA.
     
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    Would this help?

    It is from NEW YORK TIMES NEWS SERVICE

    Back to the Cold War days?
     

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