US moves to get India into 3 exclusive n-clubs

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  1. anoop_mig25

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    US moves to get India into 3 exclusive n-clubs
    PranabDhalSamanta Posted: Fri Jun 10 2011, New Delhi:

    Last week, the United States formally approached three export control regimes, the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) and the Australia Group, to induct India as a full member of these groups. This comes alongside India’s efforts to do its own bidding with this regimes.
    It’s learnt that Washington has begun the process by circulating a non-paper among member countries, which makes a strong case for India’s membership. More importantly, it seeks a specific exception for India so as to foreclose any assumption of creating a set of fresh criteria for future members. This was important because China has been backing the criteria-based system rather than a country-specific decision.

    According to reliable sources, this only showed that the process is “moving further” and that both India and the US were involved in “parallel processes to achieve the same objective of full membership for India in these regimes”. But insiders also added that “no early decision was expected”.

    The US has conveyed to other member countries that India’s induction will be consistent with the core principles of these regimes. While India is already eligible for membership of the Australia Group and the Wassenaar Arrangement, the main hurdles are in the NSG and the MTCR. Both these regimes have conditions which are drawn from the Non-Proliferation Treaty. In other words, a member of these groupings ought to be NPT-compliant even though that is specifically not stated.

    The template for Delhi is the formulation both sides reached in the joint statement issued last November during US President Barack Obama’s visit to India. This states: “The US intends to support India’s full membership in the four multilateral export control regimes (Nuclear Suppliers Group, Missile Technology Control Regime, Australia Group, and Wassenaar Arrangement) in a phased manner, and to consult with regime members to encourage the evolution of regime membership criteria, consistent with maintaining the core principles of these regimes.”

    Over the last few months, India has held outreach talks with the NSG, MTCR and Australia Group. In fact, Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao discussed India’s case with the NSG troika at The Hague last month. India came back with the assurance that the NSG would discuss this during its next plenary this month.

    At the same time, the US non-paper means a member has sought for a discussion on this issue and that would automatically raise the seriousness levels. The NSG, it may be noted, was formed as a response to India’s first nuclear test in 1974 when it was suspected that New Delhi had diverted nuclear material meant for peaceful purposes to start a military programme.

    With the Indo-US civil nuclear initiative having taken off, the issues that are now on the table are totally different. Given the quantity of nuclear commerce headed India’s way over the next decade, sources said, it is better for India to be part of these regimes than be out of it.
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    why we need membership of NSG when we are allowed by NSG to carry out nuclear trade NSG member states?
     
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  3. bhramos

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    why do u we MCTR membership.?
    its like wearing chains in name of Memberships........
     
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    the MCRT might be a blessing in disguise Being a member can allow india to work closely with the Russians etc.
     
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    This is a good move by USA, China and Pakistan have been trying to block India all along.
     
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    how bad is this news from china and Pakistan perspective?
     
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    It is worst from Pak's view if India gets becomes part of MCTR and it is an embarrassement for China in the sham nuclear deal they are trying to push for them.
     
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    :confused: Vague wording.

    Obviously we're not going to give up nukes. So, does that mean we'll be part of the NPT as a de jure nuclear state ?
     
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    We are already an un-official member if you read the Hyde act that India signed in the Bush nuclear deal.

    http://www.sassi.org/pdfs/The 123 Agreement and Hyde Act.pdf
     
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    The indo-US civil nuclear deal was the worst nighmare for pakistan, NSG membership will another one. but they can only wait and watch. they were hoping that there will be a criteria based approach for membership so that they can piggy back on India inclusion in NSG. they were hoping that NSG will lay down a criteria for NON-NPT states to join NSG at some later stage. In other words they are hoping that all the hard work India has done over the years ( with exceptional nuclear track record ) will also help them get into NSG. but that will never happen. if china wants pakistan to be part of NSG, it will have to do the heavy lift on its own , just like US did for India. china doesn't even have the guts to make pakistani application for NSG membership in the NSG meet. they know what will happen if they bring the pakistani application ( NSG members will simply tear apart or puke/pee on the membership application ). within a year I expect India to be a full NSG member.
     
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    my question remain un-answered
    HOPE SOMEBODY WOULD EXPLAIN ME HERE
     
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    but isn`t india is allowed to carry out nuclear commerce with other nsg state members ? if yes then why go for membership?
     
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    At this time India would need approval by NSG for any nuclear trade,when it becomes a full member it will not with other NSG/IAEA approved member nations.
     
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    @LETHALFORCE thanks for ur reply
     
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    No India does not need any NSG approval for nuclear trade. NSG gave permanent waiver to India back in 2008.
    however India is currently not member of this group. Once we get membership of this group then we will have some power to control nuke technologies from going into rouge countries ( pakistan ). Also then china won't be able to build nuclear reactors for pakistan easily.
     
  17. roma

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    yeah it is an embarass for dragon -
    i wasnt sure what the austral group was about but thanks to google, these days lack of info is overcome in a matter of seconds !!
    ( basically a control group for chemical and bio weapons )

    good for Uncle Sam - if this kind of goodwill continues ,then India shoudl consider more formal ties with them - although LF's statmenent about embarrasing china would be a factor

    i mean how much of this is good will to india vis a vis wanting to embrass china even if indirectly - nevertheless , im inclined to say great move by USA and we should consider them more favourably overall, the more they do these things .
     
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