'US hypersonic weapons threat to Russia'

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  1. LETHALFORCE

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    `US hypersonic weapons threat to Russia`



    Moscow: The US’ research into hypersonic weapons, which Washington aims to complete by 2015, represents an especially serious threat to Russia, acting Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said on Friday.

    "This breakthrough decision by the US opens up for them the prospect of a transition from a demonstrator prototype to creation of a multirole hypersonic missile by 2015-2018," Rogozin said.

    Rogozin is responsible for the state-owned Raduga Bereznyak missile design bureau in Moscow.

    The minister picked out the X-51, Falcon, HiFire and HyFly programmes as examples of the perspective threat posed by hypersonic development work.

    "The undertaking of this work allows us to lay the basis for creation of a national competitor in hypersonic weapons," he said.

    Development of such a weapon should be discussed at the highest levels of state, he said.

    India has also announced a joint project with Russia's NPO Mashinostroeniye missile producer to build a hypersonic successor to its BrahMos supersonic cruise missile.

    During the Soviet era, Raduga and NPO Mashinostroeniye both carried out research work in hypersonic weapons but did not produce a working weapon.

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  3. trackwhack

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    just sign a deal with india to jointly develop next gen hypersonic quasi ballistic missiles of 5K range :)
     
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    I think we are standing at the beginning of the end. The end of relative world peace. For the past decade, terror had cast its shadow over everything. Now with Afghanistan and Iraq wars being winded down, the focus is again shifting to the larger powers. Great, am sure there are 'exciting' times ahead of us.
    As far as US hypersonic weapons is concerned, surely they are directed against the only other country which has the potential to math them militarily and it comes as no surprise that Russia will take countermeasures.
     
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    The hostilities are starting from the European missile shield.
     
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    Absolutely. The Shield is the bone of contention here. One would find it surprising that even Poland is allowing this shield to be set up on their soil, thereby upsetting Russia. They don't think Nato stands a chance against Russian Army in its neighbourhood, do they? Considering Nato's inability to eliminate the Taliban and Aq completely and absolute inefficiency at making wars short and decisive, they'll have massive losses against them in case of a non nuclear conflict.
     
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    Russia says: We'll nuke Poland | The Sun |News

    We'll nuke Poland
     
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    ^^ The above statement was made during the South Ossetian conflict, maybe they didn't have Iskandars placed near Polish borders at that time. Nuking would be a bit disproportionate, Imho, in present scenario. What Russia and the world must realise is that the US is laying a trap for the russians. The missile shield is a bait to provoke Russia. We must realise that such measures and provocations precedes war. Russia would do well to not attack first, but get real allies on board like China and preferably India too. Constitute a military bloc against Nato. One that would stick together and not change allegiance. The way I see it, the world is headed for another war by the end of this decade and the Us is almost prepared for it, the others should start preparing too.
     
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    I think Poland is already starting to get it's punishment from Russia??

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/11/world/europe/11poland.html?pagewanted=all

    Polish President Dies in Jet Crash in Russia

    Polish president and many in the Government died in this crash.


    Russians are trying hard to setup the SCO organization
    and possibly add a military angle?
     
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    India and China as allies to attack European countries? That'll spendid. I wonder what Indian or Chinese national interests will be served by such action? :shocked:

    I don't think there will be a war between the major powers in the next decade or the decade after that. There maybe a raging "positioning" contest between China and the US in the pacific, or US and Russia in Eastern Europe, but the interconnected nature of today's World economy will make sure that none of such idiocy will happen. Maybe a war between a major power and a smaller country, it happened already between Russian and Georgia and might happen again between China and the Philippines or Vietnam, but it is unlikely US and China will sink each other's ship in the near future...
     
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    The painful experience of the Polish in the hands of the Soviets in WW2 will make sure that the Polish will stand to the last man in making sure that it'll never happen to them again. The Russians are just as Soviets in their eyes now (to them it has always been and will always be IMperial Russia, in different guises).
     
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    Amen to that. Let Poland pay for its sins, and let it pay dearly.

    The SCO is a good effort from Russia and China and also the other member countries. In a world increasingly being dominated by a power which feels itself to be above God almighty, one which feels it has the moral superiority to police the whole world, it is imperative that other powers join hands to balance the equation else everything humanity holds so dear will vanish one day.
    Personally, it is heartening to hear that the member countries are trying to etch out a military aspect of SCO. Almost jumped with joy to read that the US was denied an observer status. To garner respect, powers must respect other powers. The US stands in absolute contempt of anyone and everyone who has the potential to counter it, and for that it is a vile creature undeserving of respect. But, dramatic language apart, SCO is the need of the time. The Ukrainians should think about joining it and should introspect if they really want to be foes with those who were once their brothers, their countrymen.
    As for India, there can be no doubt that it too needs to join the SCO as a full member. However, this is only possible when a leader capable of envisioning India as a World power is at her helm. Present government neither has the vision nor the desire or ambition to see India as a power which not only garners respect due to economic might but also due to geopolitical and geostrategic reasons. We should work towards putting aside our differences with the Chinese in a way that is acceptable for both. We indeed have a bigger fish to fry, and I hope that China is not one of them, atleast not in the near future.
    Coming back to the topic at hand, it seems that Putin has asked for a written assurance that missile shield would not target Russia. Going by the way how arrogant NATO and US can be, it is perhaps safe to assume that such legal assurances would never be given and we are possibly looking at massive rearmaments along Russian borders.
     
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    Sins of Poland? Here to disabuse your mind... Katyn massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Can you blame the Poles if they're seeking insurance against a resurgent Russia?
     
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  15. Avenger

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    Poland did a lot of thing to red russia during russia revolution.


     
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    Really? Check again your history... There was no Poland as a sovereign state at that time. You know why? Because stronger Imperial Russia has annexed it... Go back to reading the Little Red Book...
     
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    "The result of the Paris Peace Conference did little to decrease the territorial ambitions of parties in the region. Józef Piłsudski sought to expand the Polish borders as far east as possible in an attempt to create a Polish-led federation to counter any potential imperialist intentions on the part of Russia or Germany.[22] At the same time, the Bolsheviks began to gain the upper hand in the Russian Civil War and started to advance westward towards the disputed territories with the intent of assisting other Communist movements in Western Europe.[23] The border skirmishes of 1919 progressively escalated into the Polish–Soviet War in 1920.[24] Following the Polish victory at the Battle of Warsaw, the Soviets sued for peace and the war ended with an armistice in October 1920.[25] The parties signed the formal peace treaty, the Peace of Riga, on 18 March 1921, dividing the disputed territories between Poland and Soviet Russia.[26] In an action that largely determined the Soviet-Polish border during the interwar period, the Soviets offered the Polish peace delegation territorial concessions in the contested borderland areas, closely resembling the border between the Russian Empire and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth before the first partition of 1772.[27] In the aftermath of the peace agreement, Soviet leaders largely abandoned the cause of international revolution and did not return to the concept for approximately 20 years.[28]"

    Soviet invasion of Poland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Ah, eh, the article is entitled "Soviet Invasion of Poland... and BTW, that event did not happen during the Russian revolution, it happened during the Inter-War Period.... Next time don't use a hammer to pound your own head! :pound::pound::pound:
     
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    read whole aticle before you BS.
     
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    I read it idiot! Lenin wanted a bridge towards Germany and the bridge was Poland... Soviets invaded Poland and went as deep as Warsaw but was beaten at the crucial moment when all was seemed lost...
     
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    "At the same time, the Bolsheviks began to gain the upper hand in the Russian Civil War and started to advance westward towards the disputed territories with the intent of assisting other Communist movements in Western Europe.[23] The border skirmishes of 1919 progressively escalated into the Polish–Soviet War in 1920"

    read it again idiot.
     
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