US considers launching joint US-Afghan raids in Pakistan to hunt down militant groups

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    U.S. military and intelligence officials are so frustrated with Pakistan's failure to stop local militant groups from attacking Americans in neighboring Afghanistan that they have considered launching secret joint U.S.-Afghan commando raids into Pakistan to hunt them down, officials told The Associated Press.


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    Jalaluddin Haqqani (R), the Taliban's Minister for Tribal Affairs, points to a map of Afghanistan during a visit to Islamabad, Pakistan while his son Naziruddin (L) looks. U.S. officials are considering launching secret joint U.S.-Afghan commando raids to root out the deadly Haqqani network.


    But the idea, which U.S. officials say comes up every couple of months, has been consistently rejected because the White House believes the chance of successfully rooting out the deadly Haqqani network would not be worth the intense diplomatic blowback from Pakistan that inevitably would ensue.

    Members of the Haqqani tribe have been targeted by pilotless U.S. drone aircraft, but sending American and Afghan troops into Pakistan would be a serious escalation of the hunt for terrorists and potentially the final straw for Pakistan, already angered over what it sees as U.S. violations of its sovereignty.

    The Al Qaeda-allied Haqqani tribe runs a mafia-like smuggling operation and occasionally turns to terrorism with the aim of controlling its territory in eastern Afghanistan. The Haqqanis use Pakistani towns to plan, train and arm themselves with guns and explosives, cross into Afghanistan to attack NATO and Afghan forces, then retreat back across the border to safety.

    The latest round of debate over whether to launch clandestine special operations raids into Pakistan against the Haqqanis came after the June 1 car bombing of Forward Operating Base Salerno in eastern Afghanistan that injured up to 100 U.S. and Afghan soldiers, according to three current and two former U.S. officials who were briefed on the discussions. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to describe the still-evolving debates.

    The officials told the AP that recent discussions of clandestine ground attacks have included Gen. John Allen, the senior U.S. commander in Afghanistan, as well as top CIA and special operations officials.

    Allen's spokesman, Navy Cmdr. Brook DeWalt, said Allen "has not and does not intend to push for a cross-border operation."

    The White House and the CIA declined to comment for this story.

    Pentagon spokesman George Little said the U.S. was still focused on U.S.-Pakistan cooperation.

    "The key is to work together with Pakistan to find ways of fighting terrorists who threaten both the United States and Pakistan, including along the Afghan-Pakistan border, where extremists continue to plot attacks against coalition forces and innocent civilians," he said.

    The U.S. relationship with Pakistan is arguably at its lowest point over the continuation of drone strikes to hit terror targets in Pakistan, the successful Navy SEAL raid in Pakistan to kill Usama bin Laden that was carried out without a heads-up to the country's leaders and the U.S. refusal to apologize for a border skirmish in which the U.S. mistakenly killed 24 Pakistani troops. On Thursday, the State Department's inspector general accused the Pakistani government of harassing U.S. Embassy personnel.

    Pakistan has done little in response to repeated U.S. requests for a crackdown on the Haqqanis, and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta surprisingly voiced that frustration in a visit to Kabul this month.

    He said the U.S. was "reaching the limits" of its patience with Pakistan's failure to tackle the tribe's safe havens. He added that the U.S. was "extraordinarily dissatisfied with the effect that Pakistan has had on the Haqqanis." He also made fun of Pakistan's ignorance over the bin Laden raid at a speech in India, Pakistan's archrival.

    Pakistan's army has attacked militant strongholds across the tribal areas, except for North Waziristan, where the Haqqanis hold sway and shelter both Al Qaeda and Taliban militants. Pakistani officials say that they intend to hit North Waziristan but that their army is too overstretched to move as fast as the U.S. demands.

    Pakistani officials have conceded privately, however, that they have been reluctant to take on the powerful tribe for fear of retaliatory strikes.

    To make up for Pakistan's inaction, the CIA's covert drone program has targeted Haqqani leaders, safe houses, bomb factories and training camps inside Pakistan, and special operations raids have hit Haqqani targets on the Afghan side of the border, but that has failed to stop Haqqani attacks on U.S. and Afghan troops and civilian targets.

    The officials say Allen expressed frustration that militants would attack and then flee across the border in Pakistan, immediately taking shelter in urban areas where attacking them by missile fire could kill civilians.

    The officials say options that have been prepared for President Barack Obama's review included raids that could be carried out by U.S. special operations forces together with Afghan commandos, ranging from air assaults that drop raiders deep inside the tribal areas to hit top leaders to shorter dashes only a few miles into Pakistan territory.

    The shorter raids would not necessarily be covert, as they could be carried out following the U.S. military principle known as "hot pursuit" that military officials say entitles their forces to pursue a target that attacks them in Afghanistan up to 6.2 miles inside a neighboring country's territory.

    The U.S. has staged two major raids and other minor forays into Pakistan's tribal territory before during the George W. Bush administration; the most contentious was in September 2008 when Navy SEALs raided an Al Qaeda compound. The operators killed their target, but the ensuing firefight triggered a diplomatic storm with Pakistan.

    Rather than fly in, which U.S. military planners at the time feared would alert the Pakistanis, the SEALs marched across the mountainous border, arriving later than planned because of the harsh terrain and just as the fighters were waking for morning prayers, according to one current and one former U.S. official. They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the clandestine operation.

    Everyone inside the targeted compound opened fire on the SEALs, including the women, one of whom lightly wounded one of the American operators. The firefight also woke the entire village, which joined in the battle, so the SEALs had to call for strafing runs by Black Hawk helicopters to beat them back.

    At least one woman and one child were among the many dead.\

    US considers launching joint US-Afghan raids in Pakistan to hunt down militant groups | Fox News

    America mulls new covert raids in Pakistan - The Times of India

    WASHINGTON: US military and intelligence officials are so frustrated with Pakistan's failure to stop local militant groups from attacking Americans in neighboring Afghanistan that they have considered launching secret joint US-Afghan commando raids into Pakistan to hunt them down, officials told The Associated Press.

    But the idea, which US officials say comes up every couple of months, has been consistently rejected because the White House believes the chance of successfully rooting out the deadly Haqqani network would not be worth the intense diplomatic blowback from Pakistan that inevitably would ensue.

    Members of the Haqqani tribe have been targeted by pilotless US drone aircraft, but sending American and Afghan troops into Pakistan would be a serious escalation of the hunt for terrorists and potentially the final straw for Pakistan, already angered over what it sees as US violations of its sovereignty.

    The al-Qaida-allied Haqqani tribe runs a mafia-like smuggling operation and occasionally turns to terrorism with the aim of controlling its territory in eastern Afghanistan. The Haqqanis use Pakistani towns to plan, train and arm themselves with guns and explosives, cross into Afghanistan to attack NATO and Afghan forces, then retreat back across the border to safety.

    The latest round of debate over whether to launch clandestine special operations raids into Pakistan against the Haqqanis came after the June 1 car bombing of Forward Operating Base Salerno in eastern Afghanistan that injured up to 100 US and Afghan soldiers, according to three current and two former US officials who were briefed on the discussions. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to describe the still-evolving debates.

    The officials told the AP that recent discussions of clandestine ground attacks have included Gen. John Allen, the senior US commander in Afghanistan, as well as top CIA and special operations officials.

    Allen's spokesman, Navy Cmdr. Brook DeWalt, said Allen "has not and does not intend to push for a cross-border operation."

    The White House and the CIA declined to comment for this story.

    Pentagon spokesman George Little said the US was still focused on US-Pakistan cooperation.

    "The key is to work together with Pakistan to find ways of fighting terrorists who threaten both the United States and Pakistan, including along the Afghan-Pakistan border, where extremists continue to plot attacks against coalition forces and innocent civilians," he said.

    The US relationship with Pakistan is arguably at its lowest point over the continuation of drone strikes to hit terror targets in Pakistan, the successful raid by Navy commandos, known as SEALs in Pakistan to kill Osama bin Laden that was carried out without a heads-up to the country's leaders and the US refusal to apologize for a border skirmish in which the US mistakenly killed 24 Pakistani troops. On Thursday, the State Department's inspector general accused the Pakistani government of harassing US Embassy personnel.

    Pakistan has done little in response to repeated US requests for a crackdown on the Haqqanis, and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta surprisingly voiced that frustration in a visit to Kabul this month.

    He said the US was "reaching the limits" of its patience with Pakistan's failure to tackle the tribe's safe havens. He added that the US was "extraordinarily dissatisfied with the effect that Pakistan has had on the Haqqanis." He also made fun of Pakistan's ignorance over the bin Laden raid at a speech in India, Pakistan's archrival.

    Pakistan's army has attacked militant strongholds across the tribal areas, except for North Waziristan, where the Haqqanis hold sway and shelter both al-Qaida and Taliban militants. Pakistani officials say that they intend to hit North Waziristan but that their army is too overstretched to move as fast as the US demands.

    Pakistani officials have conceded privately, however, that they have been reluctant to take on the powerful tribe for fear of retaliatory strikes.

    To make up for Pakistan's inaction, the CIA's covert drone program has targeted Haqqani leaders, safe houses, bomb factories and training camps inside Pakistan, and special operations raids have hit Haqqani targets on the Afghan side of the border, but that has failed to stop Haqqani attacks on US and Afghan troops and civilian targets.

    The officials say Allen expressed frustration that militants would attack and then flee across the borTder in Pakistan, immediately taking shelter in urban areas where attacking them by missile fire could kill civilians.

    The officials say options that have been prepared for President Barack Obama's review included raids that could be carried out by US special operations forces together with Afghan commandos, ranging from air assaults that drop raiders deep inside the tribal areas to hit top leaders to shorter dashes only a few miles into Pakistan territory.

    The shorter raids would not necessarily be covert, as they could be carried out following the US military principle known as "hot pursuit" that military officials say entitles their forces to pursue a target that attacks them in Afghanistan up to 10 kilometers (6.2 miles) inside a neighboring country's territory.

    The US has staged two major raids and other minor forays into Pakistan's tribal territory before during the George W. Bush administration; the most contentious was in September 2008 when Navy SEALs raided an al-Qaida compound. The operators killed their target, but the ensuing firefight triggered a diplomatic storm with Pakistan.

    Rather than fly in, which US military planners at the time feared would alert the Pakistanis, the SEALs marched across the mountainous border, arriving later than planned because of the harsh terrain and just as the fighters were waking for morning prayers, according to one current and one former US official. They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the clandestine operation.

    Everyone inside the targeted compound opened fire on the SEALs, including the women, one of whom lightly wounded one of the American operators. The firefight also woke the entire village, which joined in the battle, so the SEALs had to call for strafing runs by Black Hawk helicopters to beat them back.
     
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    High time to put the fear of God in the heart of these terrorists.
     
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    Ha ha - the wheel turns full circle!!! :D
     
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    Killing few mosquitoes is not the solution... eradicate the source/ideology of these mosquitoes. These Talibunnies would regroup and pay back Americans the same way they did to soviets(which they are doing right now).

    And the source of these terrorist mosquitoes today is so called country "Pakistan" and its extremist mentality. which is the safe heaven for terrorists and extremists.
     
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    USA is targeting wrong place in north waziristan.The Haqqanis might GHQ pindi under the protection of PA or in Gilgit Baltistan under the protection of chinese.
     
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    They should have done this a long time ago.
     
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    US mulls new covert raids in Pakistan, sources say

    Published June 22, 2012
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    U.S. military and intelligence officials are so frustrated with Pakistan's failure to stop local militant groups from attacking Americans in neighboring Afghanistan that they have considered launching secret joint U.S.-Afghan commando raids into Pakistan to hunt them down, officials told The Associated Press.

    But the idea, which U.S. officials say comes up every couple of months, has been consistently rejected because the White House believes the chance of successfully rooting out the deadly Haqqani network would not be worth the intense diplomatic blowback from Pakistan that inevitably would ensue.

    Members of the Haqqani tribe have been targeted by pilotless U.S. drone aircraft, but sending American and Afghan troops into Pakistan would be a serious escalation of the hunt for terrorists and potentially the final straw for Pakistan, already angered over what it sees as U.S. violations of its sovereignty.

    The Al Qaeda-allied Haqqani tribe runs a mafia-like smuggling operation and occasionally turns to terrorism with the aim of controlling its territory in eastern Afghanistan. The Haqqanis use Pakistani towns to plan, train and arm themselves with guns and explosives, cross into Afghanistan to attack NATO and Afghan forces, then retreat back across the border to safety.

    The latest round of debate over whether to launch clandestine special operations raids into Pakistan against the Haqqanis came after the June 1 car bombing of Forward Operating Base Salerno in eastern Afghanistan that injured up to 100 U.S. and Afghan soldiers, according to three current and two former U.S. officials who were briefed on the discussions. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to describe the still-evolving debates.

    The officials told the AP that recent discussions of clandestine ground attacks have included Gen. John Allen, the senior U.S. commander in Afghanistan, as well as top CIA and special operations officials.....


    full story: US mulls new covert raids in Pakistan, sources say | Fox News
     
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    Those who are serious about attacking enemy they dont beat drums they simply attack.They let their actions do talking instead of empty words.

    Afghan gunmen attack Kabul hotel:rofl:
     
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    Re: US considers launching joint US-Afghan raids in Pakistan to hunt down militant gr

    Ceremonial shots by US before taking their "antim-pag" out of Afghanistan. Atleast in the military campaign terms.
    Every alternate week we hear of these stories. US will do this to Pak will do that to Taliban.
    And every alternate week we also hear to a Taliban attack. Sadly, this looks like an Ad campaign now.
    American desperation nakedly showed up in what happened during Panetta's visit to India.
    So much for not breaking the "chor-chor mosere bhai" jinx of Terror and Pakistan.

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    Frustration of US is showing up...
     
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    Joint U.S.-Afghan commando raids into Pakistan

    AP sources: US mulls new covert raids in Pakistan - Yahoo! News
     
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    Re: Joint U.S.-Afghan commando raids into Pakistan

    A Hamlet like situation that happens repeatedly?

    Why are they reporting about things that don't happen?

    More so, since they claim that they want to launch secret raids.

    Or is it being reported to test the waters?
     
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    Sir, It's a message to the Pakistani military of things which may come, if the PA does not take action against Haqqanis.

    While the gullible Pakistanis may beat the drums over American withdrawal from Afghanistan, the Pakistani military is well aware that the US special forces aren't going anywhere. In addition, with the bulk of the US military gone, and with it, the need for the logistical chain stretching through Pakistan, the US Special Forces may just get a lot more trigger happy with the Pakistanis.

    Couple that with the fact that Afghanistan's ANA Commando Brigades are extremely professional units and a far cry away from the normal ANA. And if plans materialize, we may even end up with an entire Afghan Commando division!

    All this is bad news for the Pakistanis, especially if the ANA grows a habit of knocking through the front doors of Pakistan's terrorist safehouses.
     
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    when you are doing anti-termite treatment you need to kill all termite. if you leave some termite because it is female or not adult then can not be removed and make another colony.

    this terrorist and their shelter providers are like turmite.
     
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    you should give this lesson to your abba "lal-topi bander".
     
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    Army ops ain't exactly a video game. There are ROE's to follow.
     
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    From, you will be bombed to stone age, to Pakistan is an international migraine, to Pakistan needs to do more, to Pakistan nukes are up for grabs, to Pakistan is backstabbing, to the US is running out of patience with Pakistan, and to this, we've heard it all, nearly all, and then it is quickly added, we can't make it without the Pakistanis. Seriously? One would wonder!

    What is really required is what happened during the Abbottabad raid, first do it, then talk.

    Unfortunately, there seems to be more leaks made through media, a psyops which seems to have lost the element and of course rhetoric, but the same is not backed as much by action. Had the US taken the requisite action, those terror havens would have been long eliminated.

    Action, not words should be the motto!
     
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    Anyone who has been following the Afghan war closely knows that this threat isn't merely pointless rhetoric, while it may seem as such to people who aren't fully versed with the war. To put things in short, this "threat" is very real, and it is aimed at the Pakistani military.

    For the point repeatedly being raised by members here; "first do it, than talk"; the Americans have been "doing it" for quite some time now. ;)

    American and Afghan raids have been happening inside Pakistan since 2010; although they are restricted to the border areas so far. Indians (aswell as Pakistanis), just aren't well versed with the Afghan war at all. Indians tune in now and than to check up on major headlines, while the Pakistanis are simply fed half truths and a totally made up narrative by their media.

    Maybe if we had a section on the Afghan war here in DFI it would help spread some important aspects about the Afghan war. A lot has been going in that theatre than most Indians even know about.
     
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