US B-52 Bombers Challenge Disputed China Air Zone

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  1. bose

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    The US has flown B-52 military aircraft over disputed islands in the East China Sea in defiance of new Chinese air defence rules, officials say.

    China set up its air defence identification zone on Saturday.

    A US colonel quoted by Reuters said the planes had followed "normal procedures, which include not filing flight plans, not radioing ahead".

    The islands, known as Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China, are a source of rising tension between the two nation.

    BBC News - US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone
     
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    China is serious about its ADIZ.

    Let them pick up the gauntlet and show to the US that they are no paper tigers.
     
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    An interesting quote from a veteran of Vietnam war on the same subject "stay out of military affairs because you have no military experience. Stay out of finance and economics because you can barely balance a check book. Stay out of"
     
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    Don't forget that we are also pragmatic and systematic. In the last 30 years, China always chose to shelve the disputes and left the issues to future generations' wisdom. This strategy was appropriate since China was poor and powerless. It also creates so many problems that start to erupt. Tough decisions need to be made and I am glad that the one "unpopular" one is made now instead of later. There is no need to enforce ADIZ in every and all incidences. US is still the most power nation on the earth. But just wait and see.

     
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    Yes, pragmatic and systematic..

    Pragmatic, in that you cannot challenge the US.

    Systematic, in that you ignore their provocations.

    Yet, you are pragmatic to take on smaller neighbours in a systematic way.

    If one does not enforce the ADIZ for every case, then the ADIZ will be a sham and be taken as a paper tiger.

    China either enforces what she has declared for all, or scrap it as premature.
     
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    The US used perfectly unstealthy huge bombers to ram its message to the Chinese... "bugger off"!
     
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    If their were not serious about this stupid zone why have it in first place ? Now PRC is looking stupid. Just imagie how Chinese general public felt what will happen to their rise as only superpower when they cannot protect their declear zone.
    pls imagie how humilated Pakis are feeling due to this inaction by their present master to the hands of their other master.

    China just want to bully small countries may be its good time Japan should get nukes then it will put them in equal balance with China.
     
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    dont worry, we will not do anything about it now. establishing ADIZ is easy, but to make it work takes time. we Chinese are patient people.

    a few years from now we may discuss news about plaaf scrambling aircrafts to intercept American bombers. when that happens, please dont forget that China sets up her first ADIZ today.

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    Earlier you guys used to public fake makes saying it is old map to claim others land. Now they just started having these zones.
    wont be bad idea to claim zones on Moon and Mars as China cannot enforce it and no one go their.
     
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    China has said it monitored the entire flight of the B52s. Question is did they radio in and ask te pilots to identify themselves? Did the Chinese hand out a threat when the US pilots didn't respond? Whatever, the US has shown who is the boss is in the region
     
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    Chinis are goodat bullying small countries.
     
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    One wonder what are the defensive measures that Chinese are to take against aircraft that enter the ADIZ without notifying or obey the Chinese.

    After all, this is what China has said

    The Chinese Ministry of National Defense said on Saturday that the ADIZ, which went into effect at 10am that day, requires that all aircraft flying through the zone notify China and to obey orders from Chinese officials.
    China’s ADIZ not connected to sovereignty: Ma - Taipei Times


    In another report, it was mentioned that China will take 'defensive measures'.

    It was rather audacious of the US B 52 to fly thorough without notifying the Chinese or even obeying the Chinese as mentioned.

    And it was rather silly and weak of the Chinese not to take action and put their money where their mouth is!
     
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    That will be the day when the Chinese intercepts and takes action.

    Sure, we await that day.

    How long should our patience be?

    China, of course, may display patience till the end of time.

    They are indeed a patient tribe!

    Something like Abou Ben Adhem!
     
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    why are you in a hurry to conclude that China wont be able to enforce it?

    except Americans, who else dares challenge Chinese newly established ADIZ? dealing with a super power like US requires extreme patience, caution and flexibility. we will give time for Americans to digest the reality.

    If you wish China to have a conflict with America just because they insulted China by flying bombers over Chinese ADIZ right after its establishment, then you will be disappointed.

    China is being squeezed into a very disadvantage situation in the game, by establishing ADIZ, China is simply to get a breath of air. China wont go further and attempt to cut off access of America to this region.

    what Americans are doing is
    taking advantage of the situation and pushing China to make mistakes. everyone including you want to see China making a mistake, then the growth of China is gonna be stopped.

    you think Americans ignoring chinese ADIZ is a big deal and China should retaliate? come on, they even bombed Chinese embassy and we did nothing about it. what is the big fuss?

    for the next many years, we gonna expect more incidents of this kind and China keep on doing nothing about it; at the same time, China is gonna keep on growing despite constant distraction from the outside.

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    United States responds to Chinese 'air identification zone' over Japanese-claimed islands by sending B-52 bombers

    THREE days ago China declared a no-fly zone over waters claimed by Japan. Yesterday, the US flew bombers over them. Today, China has sent in an aircraft carrier. Are these the drums of war on our doorstep?

    Late yesterday Australian time, two US B-52 bombers flew over the Senkaku/Diaoyou island chain in the East China Sea –a deliberately provocative act in response to a freshly declared “air identification zone”.

    In response, China has ordered its only aircraft carrier - the PNAS Liaoning - into the disputed waters.

    This afternoon, China's defence ministry said it "monitored'' the US B-52 bomber flights in its newly-declared air defence identification zone
    In a statement China's defence spokesman Geng Yansheng said: "The Chinese military monitored the entire process, carried out identification in a timely manner, and ascertained the type of US aircraft.

    "China is capable of exercising effective control over this airspace,''
    Geng added.

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    The Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning and four escorting warships have been sent towards disputed waters after the United States sent B-52 bombers over one of several disputed island chains yesterday.

    The statement, China's first official response to the US action, appeared to be an effort to avoid confrontation while also asserting its authority.
    The carrier battlegroup is destined for the Scarborough shoal, claimed by Manila and just 200km from the Philippines, last year.

    Once there the warships will conduct "scientific experiments" and "military exercises" , the Chinese website sina.com.cn says.

    It's a major escalation of tensions over several sets of islands which have been brewing for decades, but has reached boiling point in the past week.
    The Chinese navy has announce the aircraft carrier has put to sea from the port of Qingdao with an escort of two destroyers and two frigates. It's destination: "Routine training exercises" that happens to be in disputed waters of the South China Sea.

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    B-52 bomber aeroplane arriving in Fairford, Gloucestershire. The United States has sent two of these bombers into airspace disputed by Japan and China after China declared the Senkaku/Diaoyou island chain an "Air Identification Zone"

    “This is the first time since the Liaoning entered service that it has carried out long-term drills on the high seas,” an official Chinese naval website declares.

    "Other nations do not need to be alarmed," said Zhang Junshe, an expert with the navy, in an interview with China's English language news agency Xinhua.

    What is their significance?

    The confrontations have all the “red flags” of impending conflict: Disputed territory. Powerful nations. Bluffs and counter-bluffs. Bravado.
    It also has another vital ingredient: Gas.

    The dispute over the Senkaku island chain is not new. And it is just one set of islands on the western Pacific Rim over which China and its neighbours have been bickering for decades.

    Why? Probably because the adjacent waters contain as-yet untapped oil and gas fields.

    Who gets to exploit these resources will be determined by who owns these islands.

    On November 23, China threw fuel on the diplomatic fire that has been growing between it and Japan all year. It declared a new “Air Defence Identification Zone” over a broad swathe of the East China Sea. This happens to include the air over the islands Japan considers its own.

    Chinese authorities have said any intruding aircraft are subject to "emergency military measures" if they do not identify themselves or obey Beijing's orders

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    The Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF) destroyer Kurama leads other vessels during a fleet review in Sagami Bay, south of Tokyo. Japanese and Chinese naval vessels have been playing an escalating game of bluff in disputed waters for several months.

    US escalation

    The unarmed US bombers took off from Guam yesterday as part of a "previously scheduled" and “routine exercise” in the area, US defence officials said.

    A US official, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed to AFP the two planes were B-52 bombers.

    ``Last night we conducted a training exercise that was long-planned. It involved two aircraft flying from Guam and returning to Guam,'' Pentagon spokesman Colonel Steven Warren told reporters.

    No flight plan was submitted beforehand to the Chinese and the mission went ahead ``without incident,'' with the two aircraft spending ``less than an hour'' in the unilaterally-declared Air Defence Identification Zone (ADIZ), Warren said.

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    What's the fuss? The tiny and somewhat featureless Senkaku/Diaoyou island chain holds is at the centre of a territorial dispute by Japan and China because of nearby gas reserves.

    A cascade of rising tensions

    This is just the latest escalation. In the past year, more and more research vessels and – more ominously – warships have been deliberately sent into the disputed zone.

    Japan suddenly “nationalised” the Senkaku islands in September. It was an open declaration that Japan considered the islands part of its “mainland” and would not tolerate any continued claims.

    China was incensed. It immediately cancelled all official visits and imposed boycotts on Japanese products. It also sent ships and planes to the islands in a show of force.

    In response, Japan mobilised vessels and aircraft, raising fears the tensions could trigger an accidental clash.

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    A carrier-borne J-15 fighter jet lands on China's first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning. The ship and its air group are being sent into disputed waters after the United States sent bomber aircraft into the area to test China's resolve over a new "no fly" zone.

    China's newly expanded air defense zone is just the latest development. The zone also includes waters claimed by Taiwan and South Korea, which also have both expressed their displeasure at Beijing's move.

    Under the rules unilaterally declared by China, all aircraft are expected to provide a flight plan, clearly mark their nationality and maintain two-way radio communication to allow them to respond to identification inquiries from Chinese authorities.

    This "overlaps" airspace over which Japan claims the same right.

    "The air defense zone set up by Japan over the Diaoyu Islands is illegal, as the islands belong to China and the airspace over them is China's territorial airspace, rather than part of the air defense zone of another country," a Chinese navy spokesman said.

    Now the United States has waded into the diplomatic game of high-stakes poker.

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    A B-52 bomber drops bombs and flares during a training exercise

    International reaction

    Japan, the United States and several other governments sharply criticized China's move.

    Australia earlier this week summoned Beijing's ambassador to express its opposition and Tokyo called on airlines to refuse to accept China's demands to abide by new rules when flying into the zone.

    Pentagon officials said the United States views the area as international air space and American military aircraft would operate in the zone as before without submitting flight plans to China in advance.

    Without taking sides in the territorial feud, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon meanwhile called on China and Japan to negotiate an end to their dispute.

    Ban on Tuesday said tensions should be handled ``amicably through dialogue and negotiations.''

    United States responds to Chinese 'air identification zone' over Japanese-claimed islands by sending B-52 bombers | News.com.au
     
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    No one cares China... the Japanese airlines too are challenging you, then what will you do ? shoot down those Japanese airlines ??

    Please do not over estimate your strength...
     
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    The question is will Japan try something like this and stamp their authority, this will give confidence to the local airlines to ignore the chinese stunts.
     
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    Actually, if one has noticed the manner in which China lays claim over any territory, it does so very 'peacefully' and then slowly escalates the heat.

    What China has done is merely 'establish' that this territory is theirs. This they have done by a very innocuous action like declaring that those islands fall under China's ADIZ.

    They have mde some belligerent noise and are testing the waters.

    They will attack no one and that is why they have the escape route organised for themselves - 'defensive measure'.which means nothing in real terms, but sounds very imposing, magnificently bellicose and with the adequate hot air and noise.

    What China has done reminds me of a canine 'marking' its territory.
     

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