Under-defended India

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  1. sasi

    sasi Senior Member Senior Member

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    the IAF has lobbied relentlessly for expensive foreign aircraft.
    Consider: The cost of 126 Rafales is some $18 billion; 250 Indo-Russian fifth-generation fighters will cost$30-35 billion; and 100-odd Sukhoi-30MKI will cost $10 billion. Add another $10 billionfor C-17 Globemaster III, C-130J Super Hercules and replacing the Avro; $3-4 billion for trainers; and$10-15 billion for the light, utility and combat helicopters currently being procured. That takes the IAF’s aircraft purchases to $81-92 billion over the next 10-15 years. Ifthe IAF condescends to buy a few squadrons of Tejas LCA, its shopping list will kiss $100billion.
    This wish list is an unaffordable fantasy given the IAF’s modernisation budget is $5.7 billion this year. And, given that an aircraft’s purchase price is just 20-25% of its life-cycle cost, the MoD should have warned the IAF off costly foreign procurement and towards indigenous design, development and manufacture.Instead, there are pro forma statements, like “whatever our brave soldiers need for defending the country will be made available.”
    http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/2013/08/under-defended-india.html
     
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    Yeah right, and Indian actually plans to spend over $100 Billion in the current five year plan. The $100 Billion over 15 years will balloon to $300 Billion by the end of the decade.

    Ajai Shukla should wake up and smell the roses.
     
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  4. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    In War, Only those win who are able to keep up with causalities, One must able to make fighters at much higher rate than they get shot down, Sadly IAF cannot do this as it rely entirely on foreign fighters which are in majority imported so does there majority of spares..

    IAF also have no plans for reserve pilot force either, In case of war, Like fighter one must able to replace pilots..

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    In modern warfare, Victory lies in factories not at battlefields..

    Self reliance is a vital factor which IAF haven't realized yet, And if its not realized soon it will be the cause of major failure ..

     
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    Sir we have to see enemy factory and what number they can come up against us.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    One need not look at the enemy's factories, but one has to see the friends of the enemy, who will fill in the blanks.

    China is way ahead, while Pakistan has her loyal friends who not only send equipment but also with the crew!
     
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    We have Russia on our side who can at least provide us with spare parts and extra ammunition and that is enough as we have our engineers. We get the original stuff from Russia, which are reliable than what pakistan gets from the chinese, as they get the reverse engineered stuff of the same Russian tech which we get but of a cheaper quality. So, my point is at least we have something better.....
     
  8. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    We have to catch up until then the heading of the article stay corrected ..

     
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    sasi Senior Member Senior Member

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    Yes we have good ties with Russia. Russia isn't soviet union. When it comes between India-china, they will stay neutral. At war times, if we ask for help.
    Any country will always prefer their national interest (both economical and miltary first).
    Also it comes to delievery of spares from Russia is the worst. In wartime, we can only pray.
     
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  10. vishwaprasad

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    Just imagine 270 MKIs and 200 Rafales....ohh my god what a nightmare for any enemy....
     
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    Vishwarupa Senior Member Senior Member

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    With current state of affairs we can only imagine & masturbate.

    Reality would be otherwise with delays in procuring which will ultimately leads to scam & politician getting away.

    Shame on our system.
     
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    ^^ sad truth
     
  13. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Will look incredible formidable, But not all the strength can be used over one front ..

    Lets say 150mki & 150 rafales at start , In war the number could go below 100mki and 100 rafales due to combat loses at the same time China will be chunking out 100 J-10 and J-11 a month ..

    At the end of the day, Who will have air superiority ? there is not much to guess..

     
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    I do feel that the sub continent is having a tendency to love foreign objects. Maybe a because of our colonial mentality.

    Anyways under current status of affairs China undoubtedly has a upper hand. I do not think Russia will ever come to the aid of India in a war with China.

    India's best option is to go with China otherwise getting into the war path with them.

    P.S.
    Can anyone enlighten me on what is the cause of the Indo-China enmity?
     
  15. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Its not about colonial past, I would suggest you at-least read the article posted at first post of this thread to understand what is been talked here ..

    Open wiki or open other thread to discuss that topic, This is not specific Indo-China thread ..

     
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    The Modern Vikram Betal story

    Source: Unreal Times

    The tragedy of Modern India :(
     
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    Sorry my bad.
     
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    After spending billions of dollars on Russian weapons this is the sad conclusion.
     
  19. vishwaprasad

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    No reason to feel sad bros...though I agree with KB that during war those who are able to keep up with casualties wins but that is true in case of some very very big type of war say like Germany vs Russia during WWII...are we all seriously thinking here that in future Chain will go on that scale of war with India? are they ready for this kind of war which will certainly weaken their economy, military??

    No its not going to happen....even geographically this kind of war is not possible either for India or China...at the most we will be facing war with China which will be like Kargil....We have phalcons, we have MKIs, C-17s, C-130s in future we will have Rafales and those appches....yes India will be able to score smooth shot quick victory in these kind of wars and even chinese knows this....dont think that after a defeat in these kind of small scale war China will start churning out 100+ fighters a month and embark on full scale invasion of India....its simply not that easy...we are nuclear power with means to deliver them (A-5)....we just need a powerful leadership and on time decisions making ability on purchasing required weapons....

    And Chinas ability to produce 100 J-10s or 11s in a month is IMO is just overestimation.....they would have been like US by now if they had this ability ....
     
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  20. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Indian armed forces already have prepared for such a War and the most vulnerable part of ours is we depend on other for arms, If my words are not enough, Ask any defense professional @Ray Sir, @Decklander Sir or Any General he will tell the same & that is the very reason DRDO, ARDE, NAL,OFB, HAL etc existed..

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    If we dont need National defense Industry and imports were enough we would never have these agencies nor we would have spend-ed a dime for it, National defense Industry is not for show or National Pride but to fill the Vulnerable part of our Defense preparedness..

    War is not a commodity, It comes at cost of man and material to archive its goals at whatever cost, About China, If they are not looking for a War, Then they have no business inside our borders but that is not the truth..

    Our Condition is not very good, to say the least and these are not my words, Imports is not the solution and never will be ..


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    Also if you have checked China Indigenous production scale and rate you would not come here and said just an ' overestimation ' ..

    If you think some one has a nuke and tell you to stop, It does not happens that way, Unless you archive your goals, You cannot step back ..

    Above that China have its own BMD layers over there cities even close to our borders, We dont have such quantity yet ..


     
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  21. ramakrishna

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    we have enough manpower, we have enough resources ... we have enough talent to build our own weapons ... but still why we are depending on others ????
     

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