U.S. wants to maintain good relations with India, but . . .

[praneet.bajpaie]

Re: U.S. wants to maintain good relations with India, but has uneasy c

All I can say is that Modi will try and repair the frayed relationship with China, which as much as I hate to admit, will be the next superpower.

America is on the wane people. As time goes by, its relevance in the New World Order will shrink. India can never trust the hypocritical Americans, plain and simple.

 

[praneet.bajpaie]

Re: U.S. wants to maintain good relations with India, but has uneasy c

I give you one mark for spelling hypocrisy correctly, at least.

I can spell better than you possibly can ever hope too. Try and stitch 2 intelligible sentences together if you can.

Please refrain from personal jabs. I can do that too.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Re: U.S. wants to maintain good relations with India, but has uneasy c

I am sure Devyani episode is a reflection of US' pro India stance. Sorry, but we Indians are a bit immune to the govt/media propaganda than the gullible Americans.

DK in this context becomes just a red herring. Americans are not gullible about India. Americans don't care about India, for the most part, with some exceptions, like this one.

.biz - Blue Cross outsourcing some IT work to India | newsobserver.com blogs

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Re: U.S. wants to maintain good relations with India, but has uneasy c

That is an unadulterated excuse... So any Tom, Dick and Harry can go to US Congress and flog issues of their choice and the US congress / government will rise up against all global injustices and will decide on who or will not get VISA to that great country ??

Yes, they can, especially if Tom, Dick, and Hari are campaign donors. Money works the same globally.

 

[Kaalapani]

Seems like some Monkey is already Burthurtt after exit poles and running wild in this forum.

 

[rock127]

Calm down kids!

 

[Kaalapani]

Re: U.S. wants to maintain good relations with India, but has uneasy c

Not sounding mean or insulting you, but seriously what is your age. Probably not much. When you will become a bit more old then you will see that I generally spoke true and wise words. I am not like a hypocrite who enjoys all benefits of a thing and then talks ill about it. If I wanted to get more likes on my posts I could have lied and started my Russophile comments. However I do not do that and instead speak the bare and bitter truth.

Same with others also.

 

[tarunraju]

Re: U.S. wants to maintain good relations with India, but has uneasy c

Ok, serious question- How many of you are saying with me that US can go F itself?

Me, and with a cactus.

 

[Kaalapani]

Re: U.S. wants to maintain good relations with India, but has uneasy c

USA is a terrorist state. I will probably vote this as DFI comment of the year.

A Timeline of CIA Atrocities | Global Research

CIA operations follow the same recurring script. First, American business interests abroad are threatened by a popular or democratically elected leader. The people support their leader because he intends to conduct land reform, strengthen unions, redistribute wealth, nationalize foreign-owned industry, and regulate business to protect workers, consumers and the environment. So, on behalf of American business, and often with their help, the CIA mobilizes the opposition. First it identifies right-wing groups within the country (usually the military), and offers them a deal: "We'll put you in power if you maintain a favorable business climate for us." The Agency then hires, trains and works with them to overthrow the existing government (usually a democracy). It uses every trick in the book: propaganda, stuffed ballot boxes, purchased elections, extortion, blackmail, sexual intrigue, false stories about opponents in the local media, infiltration and disruption of opposing political parties, kidnapping, beating, torture, intimidation, economic sabotage, death squads and even assassination. These efforts culminate in a military coup, which installs a right-wing dictator. The CIA trains the dictator's security apparatus to crack down on the traditional enemies of big business, using interrogation, torture and murder. The victims are said to be "communists," but almost always they are just peasants, liberals, moderates, labor union leaders, political opponents and advocates of free speech and democracy. Widespread human rights abuses follow.

This scenario has been repeated so many times that the CIA actually teaches it in a special school, the notorious "School of the Americas." (It opened in Panama but later moved to Fort Benning, Georgia.) Critics have nicknamed it the "School of the Dictators" and "School of the Assassins." Here, the CIA trains Latin American military officers how to conduct coups, including the use of interrogation, torture and murder.

The Association for Responsible Dissent estimates that by 1987, 6 million people had died as a result of CIA covert operations. (2) Former State Department official William Blum correctly calls this an "American Holocaust."

The CIA justifies these actions as part of its war against communism. But most coups do not involve a communist threat. Unlucky nations are targeted for a wide variety of reasons: not only threats to American business interests abroad, but also liberal or even moderate social reforms, political instability, the unwillingness of a leader to carry out Washington's dictates, and declarations of neutrality in the Cold War. Indeed, nothing has infuriated CIA Directors quite like a nation's desire to stay out of the Cold War.

The ironic thing about all this intervention is that it frequently fails to achieve American objectives. Often the newly installed dictator grows comfortable with the security apparatus the CIA has built for him. He becomes an expert at running a police state. And because the dictator knows he cannot be overthrown, he becomes independent and defiant of Washington's will. The CIA then finds it cannot overthrow him, because the police and military are under the dictator's control, afraid to cooperate with American spies for fear of torture and execution. The only two options for the U.S at this point are impotence or war. Examples of this "boomerang effect" include the Shah of Iran, General Noriega and Saddam Hussein. The boomerang effect also explains why the CIA has proven highly successful at overthrowing democracies, but a wretched failure at overthrowing dictatorships.

The following timeline should confirm that the CIA as we know it should be abolished and replaced by a true information-gathering and analysis organization. The CIA cannot be reformed — it is institutionally and culturally corrupt.

[MOD Edit: Removed expletive.]

 

[Kaalapani]

Calm down kids!

Mapped: The 7 Governments the U.S. Has Overthrown


The era of CIA-supported coups dawned in dramatic fashion: An American general flies to Iran and meets with "old friends"; days later, the Shah orders Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh to step down. When the Iranian military hesitates, millions of dollars are funneled into Tehran to buy off Mossadegh's supporters and finance street protests. The military, recognizing that the balance of power has shifted, seizes the prime minister, who will live the rest of his life under house arrest. It was, as one CIA history puts it, "an American operation from beginning to end," and one of many U.S.-backed coups to take place around the world during the second half of the 20th century.

Several national leaders, both dictators and democratically elected figures, were caught in the middle of the U.S.-Soviet Cold War -- a position that ultimately cost them their office (and, for some, their life) as the CIA tried to install "their man" as head of state. The U.S. government has since publicly acknowledged some of these covert actions; in fact, the CIA's role in the 1953 coup was just declassified this week. In other cases, the CIA's involvement is still only suspected.

The legacy of covert U.S. involvement in the seven successful coups below (not to mention a number of U.S. military interventions against hostile regimes and U.S.-supported insurgencies and failed assassination attempts, including a plan to kill Fidel Castro with an exploding cigar), has made the secret hand of the United States a convenient bogeyman in today's political tensions. Even now, despite waning U.S. influence in Cairo, conspiracy theories suggesting that both the Muslim Brotherhood and the military-backed government are in cahoots with the United States abound in Egypt.

Here's a brief history of the confirmed cases of the CIA's globe-spanning campaign of coups.

 

[Peter]

Re: U.S. wants to maintain good relations with India, but has uneasy c

A Timeline of CIA Atrocities | Global Research

Now you can go --- self.

Just a few words to you mind your language

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Another read from Global Research. Enjoy:

Disappearance of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH 370: The Trillion Dollar Question to the U.S. and Its Intelligence Services | Global Research

Malaysian media should pose critical questions to the US and its Intelligence Services and not to the Malaysian Government

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Globalresearch.ca (also under the domain name globalresearch.org) may best be described as the moonbat equivalent to WorldNetDaily

Globalresearch.ca - RationalWiki

 

[Peter]

Re: U.S. wants to maintain good relations with India, but has uneasy c

You started the whole thing.

Let a neutral source decide who started it. You gave an indirect profanity first to me. Anyway let`s not argue and be friends.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

To the point, whatever happens between US and India will happen after new government is formed.

US President Barack Obama has said he is looking forward to working "closely" with the next government in India to make the coming years "equally transformative" for the two countries.

Looking forward to working with next Indian govt, says Obama | The Indian Express

Obama wanted to be president to "fundamentally transform" the US. So I would worry about India being the subject of an "equally transformative" relationship :shocked:

 

[pmaitra]

You have a problem with a comment, report it, and leave it up to the moderators' and administrators' discretion. If you want to squabble, take it to an informal thread. If you troll here, you will receive a graduated response: Warning, Infraction, Infraction, and so on and so forth, in that order. Read the rules.

 

[Ray]

All is well: US eager to engage Modi, welcome him to Washington

WASHINGTON: US President Barack Obama and secretary of state John Kerry look forward to engaging with the new BJP government at the earliest, including welcoming Prime Minister-designate Narendra Modi to Washington, a senior US administration official reiterated on Thursday, implicitly acknowledging that the massive mandate the Indian electorate has given to the putative PM has effectively overturned the visa ban Washington had imposed on him.

''We recognize the Indian electorate has weighed in with a resounding mandate for Prime Minister Modi and we want to work with him for advancing his goals for India as a regional and global player,'' Nisha Desai Biswal, the US assistant secretary of state for south central Asia and the administration's pointperson for the region, told correspondents while reviewing the latest developments in India.

''The President stated definitely that we will be welcoming Prime Minister Modi. We, like rest of the world, have seen a remarkable election and a remarkable transition ... the mandate the Indian electorate put forward is one that we strongly support and we stand ready to engage and assist when the new government is ready,'' Desai-Biswal said in a chastened elaboration of a swift turnaround in Washington DC, where Modi has been persona non grata for almost a decade for his alleged inaction or complicity in not containing the 2002 riots in Gujarat.

That episode has now been put on the backburner in the US capital, where administration officials, lawmakers, and policy wonks are broadly pushing for quickly re-engaging with the BJP- and Modi-led India after a winter of discontent during the tail-end of the UPA government. The changed mood was most evident at an event organized by the US-India Political Action Committee (USINPAC) on Capitol Hill where some lawmakers extolled Modi's virtues and harked back to the NDA government's previous stint, consigning the ten-year UPA-Congress engagement to the archives.

But the clearest sign that the Obama administration, specifically the President himself, has hit the ctrl+alt+delete button, and wants to reset ties with a Modi-led India, came from Desai-Biswal, who also happens to be a first generation immigrant from Gujarat (her parents emigrated from Dahod in Gujarat).

READ ALSO: US renews invitation to Narendra Modi despite cool non-response to first invite

She said the President saw the just-concluded election in India as a very positive one and he looked forward to welcoming Prime Minister Modi in Washington at the earliest opportunity. Secretary Kerry is also ready to travel to India as and when the opportunity arises.

''We are eager to engage but we also don't want to overwhelm the new government with our priorities and dates ... We are not looking to impose an architecture or a timetable,'' the official said.

The two sides are scheduled to meet for the annual strategic dialogue sometime in summer. The assistant secretary indicated that the US side was open to dates and venues (although it is Washington's turn to host the dialogue) but would wait for the new government to settle in. ''We are waiting to hear from new government about their preference,'' she added.

The official said Prime Minister-elect Modi's gesture of inviting regional leaders for his swearing in is a ''strong positive sign'' but it is for the leaders to respond to the invitation.

READ ALSO: Nawaz Sharif, other heads of state invited for Modi's swearing-in cerermony

Despite the difficulties Washington and New Delhi have had in recent months, the assistant secretary challenged doubts in some quarters about the vitality and quality of the so-called strategic relationship. ''To say this is not a strategic relationship is categorically false; it is one in every way,'' she maintained, reeling off a broad and deep range of engagement between the two sides beyond intermittent problems on trade and other issues.


All is well: US eager to engage Modi, welcome him to Washington - The Times of India

 

[Ray]

US renews invitation to Narendra Modi despite cool non-response to first invite

WASHINGTON: The tweet was distinctly cool and detached and came at the tail end of a series of messages to other world leaders that seemed much warmer. "In our conversation, @BarackObama & I talked about further strengthening India-USA strategic partnership that will help both nations," Prime Minister-elect Narendra Modi tweeted on Monday, in a brief reference to the phone call from the US President to congratulate him on his election victory.

No mention of the invitation to visit Washington, and no response to a separate tweet from secretary of state John Kerry, under whose watch American mandarins have made a meal of US ties with Modi, singling him out for a visa blacklisting while entertaining foreign leaders charged with far more egregious human rights violation.

While it may be impolitic to divine too much from social media messaging (that too in less than 140 characters), Modi's seeming smackdown of Uncle Sam did not go unnoticed in the US. "In Modi's Twitter Diplomacy, A Notable Omission," New York Times observed, noting that the "order in which he thanked (world leaders) and one notable omission, later rectified, was more interesting than the content of the tweets themselves."

Indeed, Modi's chronicle of thanks in response to messages received from major world leaders began with David Cameron of Britain, among the first countries to break a US-led diplomatic boycott of the Gujarat chief minister.

"@Number10gov Thank you Prime Minister @david_Cameron for the wishes. Hoping to further strengthen India-UK relations," Modi tweeted in response to congratulations from the British Prime Minister and expression of his keenness "to work together to get the most from UK-India relationship."

"Had a telephonic conversation with @pmharper. Thanked him for his wishes & talked about our commitment to strengthen India-Canada relations," Modi followed a few hours later, before a set of double-tweets about Russia and Japan that were distinctly warmer than his response to the US outreach that included a formal statement by President Obama and an invitation to visit US.

"I thank President Putin for his good wishes. Looking forward to making our relations with Russia even stronger in the years to come," Modi tweeted, following up with, "India-Russia friendship has stood the test of time. We will further strengthen our relations in a wide range of fields."

Then came Japan, widely thought to be his favorite country in terms of economic relationship. "My gratitude to Prime Minister @AbeShinzo for extending his good wishes. Strong relations with Japan is beneficial for both our nations," and "Personally, I have a wonderful experience of working with Japan as CM. I am sure we will take India-Japan ties to newer heights."

Responses to President Jacob Zuma of South Africa, President Francois Hollande of France, Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany, Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy of Spain, UN secretary general Ban-ki Moon, Prime Minister Voreqe Bainimarama of Fiji and Prime Minister John Key of New Zealand, followed before Modi turned to Obama's message.

It is entirely possible though that the Prime Minister-elect might have been responding to messages in the sequence he received them.

The purported snub did not exactly faze Washington, which on Tuesday, followed up President Obama's telephonic greetings to Modi and invitation to visit Washington with a more elaborate message from John Kerry that seemed to be aimed at burying the visa flap.

"The United States stands ready to work closely with Prime Minister (Narendra) Modi and the new government to promote shared prosperity and strengthen our security. The friendship between the world's oldest democracy and the world's largest democracy is absolutely vital, and the United States is deeply invested in our strategic relationship," Kerry said in a statement hours after Modi was formally elected as the Prime Minister.

Kerry added that he looked forward to returning to India soon and "echo President Obama's invitation to Prime Minister Modi to visit the United States at the earliest opportunity."

(This story has been updated to reflect the fact that Mr Modi replied to Mr Kerry's tweet. An earlier version incorrectly said Mr Modi had not replied to Mr Kerry)

US renews invitation to Narendra Modi despite cool non-response to first invite - The Times of India