Turkey cancels $3.4 billion missile deal with China

[amoy]

A weird couple of bed fellows indeed, China and Turkey actually have (had) a lot of military cooperation behind the scenes. China did some sensitive tech transfer to Turkey. Turkey is the only NATo member who had a joint air exercise with China. Turkey allowed Varyag to sail through the Bosporus from Ukraine to China.

China has downplayed the issue of Turks' support for Uyghur islamists and smugglers though always having a bad taste in mouth.

no one would do business at any cost. no surprise no deal is concluded if Turkey attached unacceptable strings to it. or very likely sly Turks were only using Chinese offer to leverage Nato for more concessions. [emoji387]



~Tapa talks: Orange is the new black.~

 

[no smoking]

i will not be going into the deal and why would PRC sell such weapon systems to a country that it does not consider close. perhaps this signals they are not close and especially with the Xinjiang issue.

PRC is willing to sell "such weapon systems" to any country because the next generation system is ready.

you know if i came to your house and you welcome me with open arms and said you will buy my merchandise. i promised to give you knowledge on that merchandise and its use. you even tell me you wont buy from elsewhere and other neighbors and the street hears about it. it makes me look good. we hug and have a big cheers and even some nuts on the side. i am still in your house and you suddenly say you dont want to buy it.

No you make the wrong scenario. The fact is we have been discussing this purchase for 2 years and you keep telling you will buy it only if I give you more knowledge than I promised initially. My answer in past 2 years was always the same: NO. Now you announce your cancellation of negotiation in front of everyone. Why should I feel "suddenly"? I am the one keep saying "NO" in the past 2 years.

whatever you like to call it but the "face" of our relationship has been harmed. when i step outside the house what others would look at me like. it is a loss of "face". and i even had a middle man (pakistan) to help me but they chose to be pakis. in fact staying in your house like that is a bit awakward no ??

Well, you seems very wired. We are not allies, neither friends. We are simply buying and selling. You put on some new conditions which I can't agree, so you step out. Is that a loss of "face"? Wow, I guess every Indian is losing the "face" everyday.

but you say there is no such thing called "face" in PRC political dictionary:

http://www.rappler.com/nation/113715-aquino-encounters-xi-li-china

I think what you are trying to say is people and even common and peasants of PRC have no say in this PRC political dictionary and this "face" but the inner circle of the leaders of PRC does!! And Xi Jingping recent efforts after Tianjing blast but suddenly two in a row -> Turkey and now Philippines. are there more to follow ...

On the contrary, "face" is the concern of every common Chinese. For those leaders, "face" is not a problem they need to worry about. The only thing matters in their work is gain and loss of strategic interest in national level. Turkey and Philippine don't owe anything to Chinese. They are trying to maximise their interest as much as Chinese. They are doing every trick to get what they want.
Should we be upset? Of course, we are so closing to a 3.4b deal.
Should we be surprised? Hell no because we are doing the same thing.

You know that is the problem of every Indian mind: you guys just think that others should look after your interest and satisfy your requirement. Otherwise, it will be a "humiliation" to you. Unfortunately that is not how this world works.

 

[Compersion]

PRC is willing to sell "such weapon systems" to any country because the next generation system is ready.

No you make the wrong scenario. The fact is we have been discussing this purchase for 2 years and you keep telling you will buy it only if I give you more knowledge than I promised initially. My answer in past 2 years was always the same: NO. Now you announce your cancellation of negotiation in front of everyone. Why should I feel "suddenly"? I am the one keep saying "NO" in the past 2 years.

Well, you seems very wired. We are not allies, neither friends. We are simply buying and selling. You put on some new conditions which I can't agree, so you step out. Is that a loss of "face"? Wow, I guess every Indian is losing the "face" everyday.

On the contrary, "face" is the concern of every common Chinese. For those leaders, "face" is not a problem they need to worry about. The only thing matters in their work is gain and loss of strategic interest in national level. Turkey and Philippine don't owe anything to Chinese. They are trying to maximise their interest as much as Chinese. They are doing every trick to get what they want.
Should we be upset? Of course, we are so closing to a 3.4b deal.
Should we be surprised? Hell no because we are doing the same thing.

You know that is the problem of every Indian mind: you guys just think that others should look after your interest and satisfy your requirement. Otherwise, it will be a "humiliation" to you. Unfortunately that is not how this world works.

I understand there is compulsions for you to defend but i am not doing what you think. If you are saying there is no significant impact and loss of face thats fine. but its hard to believe. in PRC you also have to think the impact these things have on the psychology of the inner communist circle. you also take a third neutral party and see how they think of PRC now. you also have the Chinese people all over the world.

According to the many facets of the news items involving PRC and Turkey and Philippines and others a certain implications comes out. Another aspect that is clear is if it is fine to push and take PRC up on its argumentative approach. It is a isolation and awkwardness and PRC leader walking alone for long length is a bit symbolic ...

Also your attempt at looking into the indian mind is admirable. That mind does not backstab others and later expect everything to be fine. Perhaps Turkey and Phillipines and others are trying to also say that to PRC.

I refer to the earlier post of no.21 ... "Sly Turks" ... "Bad taste in the mouth"... and 2 years saying NO. What is going on!!

Again please do not take it personally. I am not saying what you think. What I am saying is there has been a Loss of Face to PRC recently on many occasions. And these events are not interlinked but de-linked coming from wide areas. Is it a performance issue of the PRC leader and his team?? Also normally when PRC has loss of face they normally reply in kind. Because in the mind of communist leaders they are the Face of Chinese race.

Are and Is PRC representing the Chinese race well and without loss of face ... Are Chinese people proud that they are Communists and have Communist PRC to lead them. You are in Australia ... when you interact with your fellow Chinese do you complain that PRC is making Chinese people look worse ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nt-get-too-angry-at-burma-for-dropping-bombs/

http://www.economist.com/blogs/free...s?zid=306&ah=1b164dbd43b0cb27ba0d4c3b12a5e227

http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Chinese-state-media-escalate-attacks-on-Li-Ka-shing

I am wishing you are seeing what is happening ... Not every one thinks PRC and Chinese are represented by a golden carriage being pulled along by horses and only talk about money and having a beer.

It is good that we are able to talk and learn from one another. But please do not think you are always right. And likewise I am not always right. Cheers.

 

[no smoking]

I understand there is compulsions for you to defend but i am not doing what you think. If you are saying there is no significant impact and loss of face thats fine. but its hard to believe. in PRC you also have to think the impact these things have on the psychology of the inner communist circle. you also take a third neutral party and see how they think of PRC now. you also have the Chinese people all over the world.

Sometimes I really don't understand the way Indian is thinking. What impact do you think would have? When your colleague failed to open a new market, does other Indian think that is a loss of "face"? You know, you always have quite a lot wired thoughts.

According to the many facets of the news items involving PRC and Turkey and Philippines and others a certain implications comes out. Another aspect that is clear is if it is fine to push and take PRC up on its argumentative approach. It is a isolation and awkwardness and PRC leader walking alone for long length is a bit symbolic ...

Well, that is what happens to a rising power. You are destroying the balance of a region, there are lots of people's lives are impacted or even ruined by you. So, you couldn't expect those to smile on you. We know that and we deal with it.

Also your attempt at looking into the indian mind is admirable. That mind does not backstab others and later expect everything to be fine. Perhaps Turkey and Phillipines and others are trying to also say that to PRC.

What "backstab"? Just because Chinese doesn't agree with something, that is "backstab"?
The ROC gov on Taiwan was the first one claim the whole SOC, but Phillipine didn't agree, is that a "backstab"?
The vietanam is also challenging Phillipine's claim, is that also a "backstab"?
How do you define "backstab"? Is India's "forward policy" also a "backstab"?

Again please do not take it personally. I am not saying what you think. What I am saying is there has been a Loss of Face to PRC recently on many occasions. And these events are not interlinked but de-linked coming from wide areas. Is it a performance issue of the PRC leader and his team?? Also normally when PRC has loss of face they normally reply in kind. Because in the mind of communist leaders they are the Face of Chinese race.

PLEASE DON'T REPEAT YOUR "FACE LOSS"!
Chinese is trying to challenge the region order based on her own national interest. As a result, other countries response based on their national interests, which is not in favour of Chinese. This is a fair game.

When will you think of "face loss"? People doesn't treat your kindness friendly! For example, someone owe you a favour, instead of repay it, he throw the shit on your face. This is "face loss".

But basically, in Chinese political circle, no one really think of "face loss".

Are and Is PRC representing the Chinese race well and without loss of face ... Are Chinese people proud that they are Communists and have Communist PRC to lead them. You are in Australia ... when you interact with your fellow Chinese do you complain that PRC is making Chinese people look worse ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nt-get-too-angry-at-burma-for-dropping-bombs/

http://www.economist.com/blogs/free...s?zid=306&ah=1b164dbd43b0cb27ba0d4c3b12a5e227

http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Chinese-state-media-escalate-attacks-on-Li-Ka-shing

I am wishing you are seeing what is happening ... Not every one thinks PRC and Chinese are represented by a golden carriage being pulled along by horses and only talk about money and having a beer.

Off topic. Don't want to waist my time.

It is good that we are able to talk and learn from one another. But please do not think you are always right. And likewise I am not always right. Cheers.

It is too bad you never learn. Every time after talking to you, you always come back to the start point.
But anyway, I just want to practise my writing.

 

[Compersion]

Sometimes I really don't understand the way Indian is thinking. What impact do you think would have? When your colleague failed to open a new market, does other Indian think that is a loss of "face"? You know, you always have quite a lot wired thoughts.

Well, that is what happens to a rising power. You are destroying the balance of a region, there are lots of people's lives are impacted or even ruined by you. So, you couldn't expect those to smile on you. We know that and we deal with it.

What "backstab"? Just because Chinese doesn't agree with something, that is "backstab"?
The ROC gov on Taiwan was the first one claim the whole SOC, but Phillipine didn't agree, is that a "backstab"?
The vietanam is also challenging Phillipine's claim, is that also a "backstab"?
How do you define "backstab"? Is India's "forward policy" also a "backstab"?

PLEASE DON'T REPEAT YOUR "FACE LOSS"!
Chinese is trying to challenge the region order based on her own national interest. As a result, other countries response based on their national interests, which is not in favour of Chinese. This is a fair game.

When will you think of "face loss"? People doesn't treat your kindness friendly! For example, someone owe you a favour, instead of repay it, he throw the shit on your face. This is "face loss".

But basically, in Chinese political circle, no one really think of "face loss".

Off topic. Don't want to waist my time.

It is too bad you never learn. Every time after talking to you, you always come back to the start point.
But anyway, I just want to practise my writing.

Good hearing from you. And you are welcome for the writing lessons. I still cannot believe you are not seeing the loss of face that is being applied and demonstrated by the many recent events ... it is awkward and sometimes it is being doing by intent ...

Here it is from your own "writing":

"For example, someone owe you a favour, instead of repay it, he throw the shit on your face. This is "face loss"."

first link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankara-Istanbul_high-speed_railway

The China Railway Construction Corporation and the China National Machinery Import and Export Corporation won the bid in 2005 to build the railway line in partnership with two Turkish companies, Cengiz Construction and Ibrahim Cecen Ictas Construction. The project was financed in part by a $750 million loan granted to Turkey by China.

Second Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–Turkey_relations

If you notice in the second link there is not a lot of good reading. I mean a lot of sh*t ...

But business is business ...

And PRC made a bid for tender. Why would they bid if not with a chance to win. Would they bid if they were driven down the path that they were (please think before you write).

There was a news item also where it was said Pakistan, Turkey and PRC would be doing huge business together. That was Pakistan wet dream. They were thinking Nixon. And now they sit on the side thinking about Caliphate and probably advancing such into PRC. Pakistan is now getting a different wet dream and seeing Turkey and its role in Islam and its collocation with Pakistan policy.

Here is the thread when PRC won the tender and it was told to the world PRC weapon system is the winner:

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...sile-defense-system-tender.54531/#post-793355

Please read some of the wonderful comments made by your comrades.

Now turkey is saying they will make on there own. Why would they make on their own if being offered a system by PRC on such wonderful terms. I mean why would PRC do all this for such a end result!!

And sometimes you need to take a break from writing:


see especially from 00.42 - whats going on ... where is your leader looking ... is he looking for some comfort ... even there is a person on his right from a special region who notices ... but still walks alone and it is awkward ... is that what you say:

Throwing sh"t on the face ...

Definition of Loss of

loss of face
phrase of face

1. 1.
   humiliation.
   "he could step aside now without loss of face"

 

[amoy]

China and Turkey
Beijing's effort to revive ancient trade routes is causing geopolitical strains
Keith Bradsher | Ankara December 26, 2015 Last Updated at 00:03 IST

As tensions in West Asia and Ukraine rose in recent years, Turkey moved to jointly manufacture a sophisticated missile defence system. The $3.4 billion plan would have given Turkey's military more firepower and laid the foundation to start exporting missiles.

But, Turkey abruptly abandoned the plan just weeks ago in the face of strong opposition from its allies in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

Their main objection: Turkey's partner, a state-backed Chinese company. Western countries feared a loss of military secrets if Chinese technology were incorporated into Turkey's air defenses. As one of its highest economic and foreign policy goals, China has laid out an extensive vision for close relations with Turkey and dozens of countries that were loosely connected along the silk road more than 1,000 years ago by land and seaborne trade.

Beijing's effort to revive ancient trade routes, a plan known as the Belt and Road Initiative, is causing geopolitical strains, with countries increasingly worried about becoming too dependent on China.

Kazakhstan has limited Chinese investment and immigration for fear of being overwhelmed. Kyrgyzstan has pursued warmer relations with Moscow as a balance to Beijing.

With the missile deal, Turkey was turning toward China partly to reduce its reliance on NATO. "Our national interest and NATO's may not be the same for some actions," said Ismail Demir, Turkey's under secretary for national defense. But the deal immediately raised red flags in the West.

Besides the technology issues, the Chinese supplier, the China National Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation, was the target of Western sanctions for providing ballistic missile technology to Iran, North Korea, Pakistan and Syria. So, Turkish exports based on a partnership with China National Precision could have also been subject to sanctions.

EYEING LUCRATIVE GOALS

• As one of its economic and foreign policy goals, China plans to have close relations with Turkey and other countries that were connected along the silk road trade route
• These goals are causing geopolitical strains as countries are worried about being too dependent on China
• China and Russia are close allies on many issues and Turkey distrusts Russia because of its military intervention in Syria
• China-Turkey relationship is lopsided; Turkey imports $25 billion a year worth of goods from China and exports only $3 billion there
• Many countries along the former silk road are frustrated by the difficulty of developing closer economic ties to the European Union

Complicating matters, China and Russia are close allies on many issues. Russia is especially distrusted in Turkey because of its military intervention in Syria and its annexation of Crimea from Ukraine. And, Turkey had been a close American ally ever since it sent a large contingent of troops to fight North Korea and China during the Korean War.

The Chinese missile project "was one of the things that really made people say 'Turkey is shifting, wow,'" said Mehmet Soylemez, an Asian studies specialist at the Institute for Social and Political Researches, an independent research group in Ankara. "China wants to remake the global financial and economic structure."

With its wealth and markets, China is a tantalising partner.

Many countries along the former silk road are frustrated by the difficulty of developing closer economic ties to the European Union. And they are alarmed that the American-led Trans-Pacific Partnership, a major regional trade deal, could give an edge to Malaysia and Vietnam.

"So many years we have been kept waiting at the edge of the EU, and people are losing hope," said Sahin Saylik, general manager of Kirpart Otomotiv, a large Turkish auto parts manufacturer. "Turkey is not in the Trans-Pacific Partnership and problems in the Arab world are pushing Turkey to have other alternatives."

The relationship with China is lopsided. Turkey imports $25 billion a year worth of goods from China, while exporting only $3 billion there.

In Turkey, stores are full of Chinese goods, from vacuum cleaners to tableware. Chinese companies have purchased coal and marble mines, as well as a 65 percent stake in Turkey's third-largest container port. China is helping build nearly a dozen rail lines, and it is already a military supplier, selling lower-tech battlefield rockets to Turkey.

Companies are increasingly turning to China for cost reasons, buying components or importing fully assembled products. Arzum, one of Turkey's best-known appliance manufacturers, did the engineering and marketing for its popular new Okka single-cup Turkish coffee brewers locally. But the brewers are manufactured in southeastern China.

"Ten years ago, Turkey didn't exactly see the threat of China for manufacturing," said T. Murat Kolbasi, Arzum's chairman. "The threat has to be changed to the opportunity."

Chinese companies can quickly sever ties as well.

The state-controlled China Machinery Engineering Corporation abruptly backed out of a $384.6 million deal to buy a 75 percent stake in the electricity grid of Eskisehir and nearby provinces in Turkey. It happened days after national elections in Turkey last June cast uncertainty on the future of the industry's regulations.

China Machinery provided no official reason to Turkish Electricity for canceling the deal. The Chinese company declined to comment.

The Turkish Electricity Distribution Co., a nationwide grid company, is suing the Chinese company in an effort to collect a breakup fee. Mukremin Cepni, chief executive of Turkish Electricity, said that he had worked 18 months on the Eskisehir deal and was unenthusiastic about any more tie-ups with China.

"I won't think well of them, because personally I struggled a lot, and their going away without giving any reason exhausted us," said Cepni.

Ethnic issues have further complicated China's relations. Many countries in the region are Muslim, and versions of Turkish are spoken in more than a dozen countries, partly a legacy of the Ottoman Empire.

That history has fanned regional tensions over Beijing's stringent policies toward the Uighurs, Muslims in China's Xinjiang province who speak a Turkic language. Beijing has blamed Uighurs for a series of attacks on Han Chinese from eastern China.

When China suppressed Uighur protests in 2009, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Turkish prime minister at the time, condemned the actions as "a kind of genocide." Last July, Turks and Uighurs held two rounds of protests in Istanbul and Ankara.

Now the president of Turkey, Erdogan is prioritizing ties with China. He calmed the anti-Chinese protests last summer by urging his countrymen to be wary of rumors on social media about China's treatment of the Uighurs.

Nationalistic Turkish groups like Anatolia Youth, previously outspoken about the Uighurs, have responded by softening their stance toward China. Mahmut Temelli, the chairman of Anatolia Youth's foreign relations council, said that he believed that on missiles, "the bid should have remained with China."

The missiles became an international issue two years ago, when Turkey's defense ministry announced it favored a Chinese bid. It beat out a U.S. offer to sell fully built Patriot missiles, as well as similar deals with Western Europe and Russia.

Turkey wanted to churn out missiles, potentially for export in a few years, and to stop relying on NATO's occasional deployments of Patriots. "You cannot protect a 911-kilometer border just with Patriots," said Merve Seren, a security specialist at the Foundation for Political, Economic and Social Research, a pro-government public policy group in Ankara.

And Turkey's F-16 fighters, like the two that shot down a Russian warplane in late November, cannot be on patrol continuously, said Demir, the defense undersecretary. Missile systems can be ready around the clock.

As the Syrian conflict worsened, NATO's limited supply of Patriot missiles meant that it sent only enough to protect three Turkish cities. NATO had begun to withdraw them when the Russian warplane was shot down.

"NATO's deployment of air defense systems is on and off," Demir said, just hours after the episode with the Russian warplane, videos of which played on the television in the background. "I don't know if it gives a message that your partners can rely on."

But Turkey had a huge blind spot with the missile project.

Turkish military analysts compared a long list of variables, like missile range and the willingness to share technology and manufacturing. The analysis was approved by a committee including the defense minister, generals and Erdogan, Demir said.

But nobody consulted the foreign ministry on how Turkey's allies would react, partly because NATO had already tolerated Greece's acquisition of Russian air defense missiles from Cyprus. "They were informed after the process was completed," Demir said. "It was not treated as a special project that will have a lot of political results."

Within days of the announcement about China's leading bid, NATO member countries organized a campaign to overturn the decision. President Barack Obama, Western European heads of state and top NATO commanders contacted Turkish leaders.

NATO officials have been cautious, saying any country has a right to choose its own equipment. But they have publicly expressed concern that Chinese missiles might not be compatible with NATO equipment - and privately that they were loath to share technical details to make compatibility possible.

Last month, Turkey opted to go ahead on its own. It will probably subcontract some components to foreign manufacturers, possibly China Precision.

An engraved metal plate from China Precision in a polished rosewood box still sat on a shelf outside Demir's office the morning the Russian warplane was shot down. Hours of negotiating with Chinese arms makers has forged a relationship that will make future military cooperation easier, Demir said.

"There is a value," he said, "in the time we have spent with these companies."

 

[I_PLAY_BAD]

If China really had a sophisticated missile defence system why did they enter a deal to purchase S-400 from Russia ? They could have manufactured on their own, No ?

Defense companies across the world have grown greedy which makes them to price their weapons aggressively.
I suspect that makes many recent deal to get cancelled.

 

[Ikap]

I'm on PRC's side with this one. India should be helping China in its offensive against Xinjiang, and not just doing everything possible to be anti-china.

What exactly makes the Muslim world better than China? China is more progressive and Indianized!

 

[amoy]

The anti-missile deal Turkey cancelled was taken over by its turkic brethrens TURKIMENISTAN

Turkmenistan marks 25 years post-USSR with pomp
28.10.2016

The isolated Central Asian country of Turkmenistan on Thursday (Oct 27) marked 25 years of independence from the Soviet Union with celebrations across the country and a grandiose military parade in the capital Ashgabat.

President Gurbanguly Berdymukhamedov surveyed the parade that lasted three hours, saluting as soldiers roared: “Glory to independent Turkmenistan!”

The strongman has led the gas-rich country of five million people since 2006, taking over after the death of his eccentric predecessor Saparmurat Niyazov, who had erected a revolving golden statue of himself and renamed months after members of his family.
http://www.chrono-tm.org/en/2016/10/turkmenistan-marks-25-years-post-ussr-with-pomp/

Made-in-China in the parade

FM-90（HQ-7B）

FD-2000（HQ-9）

Kaishan-1B

The 59-year-old president played the central role, greeting the public from an open-topped white Mercedes.

He observed the military parade in the capital’s central square from a marble dais engraved with his own words: “I rely on my united people.”

The president also rode around the square several times on a domestic breed of horse famed for its strength and speed that had been presented to him for the occasion.

 

[Project Dharma]

Looks like China is arming half the Muslim world right now. Hope they are willing to convert, we all know what the Muslims feel about kafirs.

 

[amoy]

Quite baffling to me. Why does Turimenistan need so many fancy toys as a world recognized “neutral state"? Any obvious external threat? Azerbaijan, Russia or Iran?

Their oil wealth seems okay to afford them extravagances for a long time.

Is Prez Berdymukhamedov doing a cosplay of Zhukov?

 

[Mikesingh]

Lol! Who wants to buy your fake stuff? (Except of course your Autonomous Region of Porkistan!)

 

[amoy]

Iraq reportedly finalising HQ-9 air defence order
Mohammed Najib, Ramallah - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly

Iraq is close to finalising a USD2.5 billion order for Chinese military equipment that includes HQ-9 long-range air defence systems, Iraq's Mawazin news agency cited well-informed sources as saying on 28 November.

The HQ-9 is derived from the Russian S-300PMU system. The exports version is designated the FD-2000 and another version is offered called the FT-2000 that has missiles with passive radar seekers.

The deal may also include Type 99 tanks and other Chinese military equipment, Mawazin reported.

 

[Yodha]

Derived? Oh is it the new substitute for the word "copied"

The 'Indi'genization is down to the core.

 

[Flame Thrower]

Iraq reportedly finalising HQ-9 air defence order
Mohammed Najib, Ramallah - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly

Iraq is close to finalising a USD2.5 billion order for Chinese military equipment that includes HQ-9 long-range air defence systems, Iraq's Mawazin news agency cited well-informed sources as saying on 28 November.

The HQ-9 is derived from the Russian S-300PMU system. The exports version is designated the FD-2000 and another version is offered called the FT-2000 that has missiles with passive radar seekers.

The deal may also include Type 99 tanks and other Chinese military equipment, Mawazin reported.

Iraq is in bloody war with ISIS... why it needs HQ 9....

2.5 billion is lot of money... can you confirm no of type 99 tanks being sold....

If Iraq can get hold of SU 25 or A 10 buying a squadron of them makes sense, but spending 2.5 billion and major chunk going for HQ 9 doesn't really make senses.... unless China wants them too...

Can you please confirm whether this 2.5 billion as loan given by china or to be paid in oil or can you give detailed info on the payment process

How the hell they accumulated 2.5 billion after over 1 year war and sour oil prices

 

[HariPrasad-1]

China is buying S400 from russia and they try to sell HQ junk to other nation. I wonder who will buy it. Nobody except Pakistan can buy it.

 

[amoy]

Iraq is in bloody war with ISIS... why it needs HQ 9....

2.5 billion is lot of money... can you confirm no of type 99 tanks being sold....

If Iraq can get hold of SU 25 or A 10 buying a squadron of them makes sense, but spending 2.5 billion and major chunk going for HQ 9 doesn't really make senses.... unless China wants them too...

Can you please confirm whether this 2.5 billion as loan given by china or to be paid in oil or can you give detailed info on the payment process

How the hell they accumulated 2.5 billion after over 1 year war and sour oil prices

The news itself is a speculation by IHS Janes. Nothing conclusive.

The same can be asked over Turkimenistan who inducted HQ-9 (FD-2000). They just did so but why?

Arms procurement is often not only about necessity or financial capacity. Many do so like buying an insurance policy in geopolitics.

Read more here: Iraqi oil: Once seen as U.S. boon, now it’s mostly China’s

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Iraq reportedly finalising HQ-9 air defence order
Mohammed Najib, Ramallah - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly

Iraq is close to finalising a USD2.5 billion order for Chinese military equipment that includes HQ-9 long-range air defence systems, Iraq's Mawazin news agency cited well-informed sources as saying on 28 November.

The HQ-9 is derived from the Russian S-300PMU system. The exports version is designated the FD-2000 and another version is offered called the FT-2000 that has missiles with passive radar seekers.

The deal may also include Type 99 tanks and other Chinese military equipment, Mawazin reported.

Turkey had already finalized but cancelled. Now Iraq is finalizing. When this report will prove wrong then some other country will be interested in buying it.

We have read numerous reports of selling J series of fighters to many countries without any customer except Pakistan.

 

[amoy]

Turkey had already finalized but cancelled. Now Iraq is finalizing. When this report will prove wrong then some other country will be interested in buying it.

We have read numerous reports of selling J series of fighters to many countries without any customer except Pakistan.

Turkey cancelled, but Turkmenistan pitched in and HQ-9 order fulfilled.

It's never easy for "new" players to grab market share from incumbent players.

China ranks #3 but far behind US and Russia in $$$.

But bit by bit it's increasing - Ecuador, Algeria, Egypt, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia... adding to the portfolio.

As for J-fighters Nigeria is firm with delivery.

It's better to grow one's own military ind. capability than feeding $$$ to others. That creates jobs and upgrades R&D even with baby steps.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Turkey cancelled, but Turkmenistan pitched in and HQ-9 order fulfilled.

It's never easy for "new" players to grab market share from incumbent players.

China ranks #3 but far behind US and Russia in $$$.

But bit by bit it's increasing - Ecuador, Algeria, Egypt, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia... adding to the portfolio.

As for J-fighters Nigeria is firm with delivery.

It's better to grow one's own military ind. capability than feeding $$$ to others. That creates jobs and upgrades R&D even with baby steps.

BS nobody buys J junks except pakistan and all the countries rejected it. None of J series fighter is a mtch to tejas MK1 in technology forget Mk1+ and Mk2. No deal is struck for HQ BMD. even chinese forces prefered to by Russian BMD ignoring chinese one. When china itself van not buy its own system than how would others may buy?