The Problem with Pakistan is not nukes but its refugees in war

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  1. Iamanidiot

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    farhan_9909 Tihar Jail Banned

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    Pakistan top 66 cities population 42 millions as per wiki

    India just top 10 cities population 63millions
    Indian 66 cities population could be more than 300millions

    beside as per one of the Indian armed forces retire official you quoted above Pakistan will be completely wiped out.what is the question of refugees than?
     
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    In case of a nuke exchange with Pak, The destruction on Indian side can only be avoided by giving a very quick and decisive response which takes out complete population of Pak Punjab and Sindh. That will kill nearly 80% of their population. This kind of carnage can be done with rather ease given the fact that nearly all the population of these two states is concentrated in a corridor along Indus river. So if we fire nukes which explode inside Pakistan along two parallel lines which are separated by 1/2 the width of this corridor with another 1/4th on the eastern and western side of these lines, we will need just 40 nukes of 20-25 Kt to take out this population of Pakistan with just Prithvi missiles. The blast effect of nukes increases and multiplies when the blast waves expand towards eachother.
    Pakistan Karachi is about 24.5*N lat while Islamabad is about 33.5*N lat which means a linear distance of about 550 NM only. So a total of 40 nukes making a corridor along river indus right upto Islamabad will finish off Pakistan in minutes with no further nuke attacks on India from their side. After that we do not have to worry about refugees as we can just kick them into FATA and Balochistan and merge the lands of Punjab and Sindh into Akhand Bharat without that third rate population.
     
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    JP, refugees is the least of our concerns. Our fences are in place and we are definitely not going to take refugees even on humanitarian grounds given the fact that they are paying the price for heir country's actions. I keep saying build higher wider stronger fences for this reason all the time. No body from there including terrorists come in.
    JP in what context did you say this in the first place? India will not strike first with nukes. We don't need to spend our nukes on them.

    @Decklander, we don't even need to spend 40 nukes.
     
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    trackwhack Tihar Jail Banned

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    40 nukes not gonna happen. Our first response to a nuke strike or an imminent nuke strike should be to incapacitate all their Nuclear strike capabilities through tactical nukes. All bases whether army airforce or navy should be roasted. Our israeli friends know exactly where their tempo nukes are as well. Punishment for any successful launch from their end in the interim should be adequately scaled. Once completely defanged, they must be rationally dismembered and our lands taken back.
     
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    Their missiles are not in silos. We don't need nukes to take out their nukes. India does not intend any tactical role for its nukes.
     
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    trackwhack Tihar Jail Banned

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    I don't care what you want to call them. Their strike capability must be destroyed. To ensure success nukes are required considering we cannot afford hour long air strikes or 100s of conventional srbm. Neither guarantees success like nukes. We have about a dozen such targets not more.
     
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    what if in first response Pakistan launches All the 110 warheads?

    Will India have any time for response? Because Indian cities are very densely populated

    on one hand Pakistan 66 cities population is just 42millions

    India on the other hand just the top 10 most populous cities has a population of 62millions

    Pakistan
    List of most populous cities in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    India
    List of most populous cities in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    or as above assumed let suppose both the countries use just 40 nukes

    top 40 cities population of Pakistan odd 28millions

    top 40 cities population of India odd 100millions

    a quick calculation.

    Why not talk on facts unlike Some fanboys with zero knowledge about nukes want to destroy Pakistan with just 40nukes

    though it is just assuming in reality Pakistan wont use less than 300warhead if nuclear war has started.the official will want the maximum advantage of nuclear war to end every thing once and for All

    and a big opportunity for our Punjabi brother to get their Punjab back the reason we wont o nuke Punjab
     
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    trackwhack Tihar Jail Banned

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    Brilliant plan except that it will take you 3 months to pull off a stunt like that even if we assumed only 20 simultaneous launches. Please don't think with you knees.
     
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    Pakistan spend 2.5billions on its nuclear program(India 3.9billions)

    so you dont know what surprises will we have
    my ambition of 20-50mt warhead is easily achievable with this budget as well

    beside this by western sources pak may cross UK stockpile by 2017 aka 225 pu based warhead

    Pakistan Spending $2.5B Annually on Nuclear Arsenal, Report Says | Global Security Newswire | NTI

    Pak spending $2.5bn a year on N-arms: Report - Hindustan Times

    and most important the facility of launching 84 ballistic missiles in one go might be completed within 5 years as well or a facility to destroy half India in just 8seconds
     
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    @Frahan

    Your ideas, concept and postulations on Nuclear Warfare are as "Suicidal" and "fenatic"
    "based on Tumako Le Doobenge" as those of Musharaff's ideas for conducting Kargil operations - ek bar sir andar de do phir chahe gardan kat jaye.


    Bas ek bar 120 bomb far do ( Burst the bloody 120 bombs at one go? Even if Pakistan eats grass for two more centuries, she would not be able to assemle resources to drop 120 nuclear bombs on India at one go?

    And what will happen to those 60 odd bombs of India which are in submarine who will save you from that?

    You know what is MAD - mutual assured destruction. If you are abke to deliver 120 bombs in one go on India and India gets destroyed then it is not MAD. Indiuan nuclear posture is based on crdible deterrance.

    And even if one was to agree with you, will the world powers allow you to do that ? You appear to be Pakistani fauzi for whom the world outside Pakistan appears to be only India.... Ha Ha Ha..

    Your thoughts on nuclear issue is very imbicile.... Khuda nuclear Hai.. deen nuclear hai.. Iman nuclear hai... Kyonki Pakistan nuclear hai.. For "Ishq" chant "Nuclear" in this qabali



    Educate yourself a little bit..
     
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    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    i dont think if we nuke Pakistan world is even going to miss them.

    We might get nobel peace prize for this good deed.
     
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    I had posted detailed account of how good their missiles are and how they fear nuking themselves. Plus they have nukes which will never work. Now we just need NAMO in Delhi to send them to their 72 virgins who too are as big a fake as their missiles and nukes.
     
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    I am sure that you will agree that US and Russia are best when it comes to nukes and missiles. Well even they need minimum 30 mins to fire their missiles. You guys being able to do that within 8 seconds shows how stupid you guys are.
     
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    "and most important the
    facility of launching 84
    ballistic missiles in one
    go might be completed
    within 5 years as well or
    a facility to destroy half
    India in just 8seconds
    farhan_9909 "

    :bplease: Jeeez! Here we go again "8 seconds warning",you taking your "medicines" (Delusional pills) again huh? :hmm:
     
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    :pig: istani's maintain attacking posture (be it conventional or nuclear) because they don't have anything to defend against Indian attack. The only thing they can hope is to harm Indian defence installations up to extent they can with surprise first attack and hope for the best.
    Their Air-Defence is in much worse condition and the only credible system, Spada-2000 is for the protection of Nuclear sites and other important installations compare to India with Aakash and Spyder SAM, BMD in production and Barak-8 (JV with Israel) + Maitri SAM (JV with MBDA) coming into picture within this decade :)).
     
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    have you guys gone nuts??? Did you ever notice how shocked and afraid the Pakies are with our CSD? Did you not notice it in all the clips from youtube which you guys saw recently? All their retired Generals were awestruck by our CSD. PA has offensive defensive deployment against IA as Pak does not have depth like India. Now the CSD creates very real fear for their forward deployed formations to be encircled and wiped out in case of war while we will not let them send the reserves to reinforce these formations. This has had the effect of lowering the nuke threshold for PA. NOW, if IA starts CSD, Pak reaches a zero sum game, their nuke option actually becomes a suicidal option. They know after that they will cease to exist. So effectively, we have increased the stakes and nuke threshold of PA by CSD and have forced them to open their cards early in the war and call off their bluff.
     
  20. sayareakd

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    Either Pakistanis are funny or plain stupid.

    they will first allow directly or indirectly terrorists to attack India, that will respond with CSD, stupid Pakistani will then nuke their own land to stop CSD and we will in turn nuke Pakistan. So it will be Pakistan which will take all the nukes in the end. :rofl:
     
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    It will be a disaster. They have say 150 missiles and all road mobile. You cannot track all of them and send nuke missiles after them. Real time intel can be replied with a big air force blitz with conventional weapons which will take out their TELs and the missiles. Well if we have the right coordinates, we can fire cruise missiles and not even enter pak airspace. BTW those missiles can be in the heart of a Pak city as well. Who will take the call on nuking a TEL in the heart of Pak on any iffy intel?
     

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