The Need for India to Engage in 'Disaster Diplomacy' with Pakistan

[ajtr]

India should announce a billion dollars in aid to pakistan *.

Well i think india should.but i think that will be hurt their H&D.Haven't you seen pakistani Ex-air vice marshal shazad chaudhry was complaining on NDTV show that $5 millions just peanuts when india has given $1.6 billion to Afghanistan and $1 billion to Bangladesh.After all pakistan id bigger country than Bangladesh and Afghanistan and its the nuke power too so i must deserve better than both say about $100 billion from india.Arey india has to treat pakistan equal to it.How can india hurt their pride by just throwing paltry sum of $5 million at them.If you you think it a joke then please have a look.....

The tide of failure​

There is, however, some pride taken in the fact (assumption, speculation, really) that 'we' don't have poverty on a scale that the Indians do. Pfft, India Shining. Have you seen the poverty there, they'll ask. There's 450 million of them. It's so shameful, they'll tut-tut, and the place is so dirty. And the US? Did you know that the world's richest country has a 14 per cent poverty rate, they'll sniff.

Poverty here? Over here, there's some vague recognition that the Thar area and swathes of Balochistan are backward places; that southern Punjab and upper Sindh are poor; that northern Pakistan and the tribal areas haven't been developed. But there's little understanding about what that means, that it translates into millions upon millions of the poorest of the poor, quite literally a mass of humanity existing outside and away from the tattered umbrella of the Pakistani state

 

[ajtr]

A passive policy towards Pakistan is counterproductive​

2010-08-20 19:40:00
Pakistan, like any other country has to deal with a dynamic environment. Today it has to contend with an unstable political spectrum and complex economic issues like the looming debt trap. Keen to project itself internationally as a victim of terrorism, it is engaged in the flagging war against terror.

To add to the problems, it has had to face natural disasters like the recent devastating floods. Amidst all this, one activity that remains constant for the country is its anti-India attitude, which is nurtured most assiduously by the Pakistani Army, the ISI and government of Pakistan in the given order of priority.

The country is trying to deal with a natural disaster of unprecedented magnitude. There are people dead and dying due to lack of adequate infrastructure and means to deal with the calamity. India has been standing on the margin with an aid package and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has been making repeated appeals to the Pakistan government to accept the same.

Pakistan was 'considering' for many days whether to accept India's assistance. To add salt to injury the Pakistani Army resumed violation of ceasefire along the Line of Control with the intention of assisting terrorist groups engaged in infiltration into India.

The August 19 ceasefire violation which coincided with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's appeal to his Pakistani counterpart to accept Indian aid for the flood victims witnessed mortar and rocket fire directly at Indian positions on the Line of Control at Nangi Tekri in Krishna Ghati sector of Poonch district.

At a conservative estimate this is the tenth recorded ceasefire violation this year. India has already lodged two protests with the Pakistan High Commission in this regard this year - one on January 22 and the second on July 18.

There have been more than 20 foiled infiltration bids this year, Defence Minister A K Antony has disclosed that from January to June this year 255 terrorists have attempted to infiltrate into India.

Intelligence inputs indicate that the latest strategy of the Inter Services Intelligence is to keep the Kashmir issue alive by combining infiltration attempts with unleashing of civil unrest, so as to keep the pot boiling. Whether it is a coincidence or otherwise, this policy was at its peak when India was attempting diplomatic parleys with Pakistan.

The embarrassment Indian Foreign Minister Krishna had to face during his visit to Pakistan in July this year is well recorded. That apart, while these parleys at different levels were going on, unrest in Kashmir and infiltration attempts and cease-fire violations were happening with regularity.

One cannot fault the good intentions of our Prime Minister in offering aid for the flood-affected people of Pakistan. As a neighbour, India was spontaneous in extending assistance to humanity afflicted by calamity.

True, it is our moral duty to come to the aid of the Pakistani people in their hour of suffering. But the belligerent attitude of the leaders of Pakistan hurts.

The devastation of the Axis powers, mainly Germany and Japan, was carried out by the European and American powers during the World War was carried out on the basis of the policy - "when you have an unrelenting enemy in your backyard crush him completely in the shortest possible period of time so that peace can maintained in the long run".

There are many in India who feels that we may bleed for the poor and downtrodden in Pakistan but we are, by no means, helping them with our passive and dovish approach. In the face of our passivity, they are being made to suffer by their leaders who keep raising the anti-India bogey for personal gains.

While bending backwards and extending aid, should we be passive? By Jaibans Singh (ANI)

 

[ajtr]

So nothing works in pakistan without india's help neither conspiracy theories nor the charity matches.Remember even vitriolic anti-indian imran khan had to approach to BCCI for charity matches to collect funds for his cancer hospital.

Pakistan want charity matches against India for flood victims​

LAHORE: PCB Chairman Ijaz Butt on Friday said the Cricket Board will soon approach ICC to arrange some chaity matches against India to raise funds for the flood victims in Pakistan.

The floods have claimed about 2000 lives so far in the worst floods in 80 years in Pakistan.

Butt said they have contacted the Indian cricket Board (BCCI) and others for the purpose and have already planned such a match against South Africa on October 25 in Dubai where the two countries will be engaged in a full series.

Butt said that he would soon meet the ICC officials to discuss the possibility of having bilateral series with India at neutral venues.

"I am hopeful that at my next meeting with the ICC officials I would be able to convince them for a series between the two countries.

"I will meet with the ICC officials very soon during which I will surely discuss the Indo-Pak series at a neutral venue either in England or UAE to generate funds for flood victims and I am optimistic that our call would be considered," he said.

The PCB chief also said that the inquiry report on the attack on the Sri Lankan team last year in Lahore would be shared with Senate standing committee on sports soon.

The Senate standing committee on sports has expressed its disappointment that the PCB was not willing to brief the Senators on the findings, sent to the ICC on August 3.

Butt said the PCB had no issues sharing the findings with the Senators.

"It is a sensitive matter and after government's approval the inquiry report was sent to the ICC. Now hopefully within next week the copies of the probe report would also be given to the Standing Committees of Senate and National Assembly," he said.

He said the board had also studied the report closely and was now implementing security measures for cricket matches in Pakistan accordingly.

"We have allotted adequate funds for the security wing of the Board now and we have professionals working in this area. There is no doubt the attack on the Sri Lankan team was a big setback for Pakistan cricket," he added.

Read more: Pakistan want charity matches against India for flood victims - Top Stories - Cricket - Sports - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...victims/articleshow/6382851.cms#ixzz0xD3Gv1h2

 

[ajtr]

Time to list your history !!!

AD 1947 - You have to help us we are poor.....OK $$$$$
AD 1965 - We attacked India you have to help us.....OK $$$$$
AD 1971 - We attacked India you have to help us.....OK $$$$$
AD 1989 - We are sending terrorists to Kashmir you have to help us.....OK $$$$$
AD 1998 - We are sending money to Afghan fighters you have to help us.....OK $$$$$
AD 2001 - Our ISI is funding Afghan fighters you have to help us.....OK $$$$$
AD 2003 - Our ISI is funding Osama you have to help us.....OK $$$$$
AD 2005 - Our ISI is funding Mulla Omar you have to help us.....OK $$$$$
AD 2007 - Our ISI is helping Karzai you have to help us.....OK $$$$$
AD 2008 - Our ISI is funding the Taliban you have to help us.....OK $$$$$

AD 2009 - If you don't pay us Our ISI will fund the Taliban.....OK $$$$$
AD 2010 - If you don't pay us Our ISI / Taliban will bomb you .....OK $$$$$
AD 2010Aug - If you don't pay us our BEGGARS will bomb you .....

 

[ejazr]

The Turkish author of this article indeed with show softness towards the victims of Pakistan. Turk-Pakistani relationships are amazingly high and are at par with India-Israel relations, almost like a counterweight. How much has Turkey contributed to the floods? Even if it has, why should we Indians contribute? A country that contributed in hundreds of terrorist attacks against innocent Indians throughout its existence needs to suffer its own karma at the hands of nature. Imagine the curses each innocent Indian would have uttered from their hearts against Pakistan just before his or her life went away in the face of bullets and bombs; all these curses have materialized.

If Turkey and fanatic Saudi Arabians are interested in donating to their puppet the Pakistanis, let them donate. We Indians are barely having enoough for ourselves

The Turkish author is on a fellowship on the most prestigious of think tanks in India IDSA. It is his opinion and the need to attack is ethnicity rather than his analysis is beyond me.

As Sun Tzu said.
If you know your enemy,t hen you don't have to worry about the outcome of a thousand battles.

Are we considering the people of Pakistan as enemy? Or the elitist PA/ISI and the landlord political class combine that has to use their anti-India rhetoric to keep their hegemony on Pakistani politics. Clearly the India army--the institution that is given the charge to defend India-- does not think so. 'Pakistan Army a threat to India, not its people or government'.
Who do you consider the enemy here? Did the people of Pakistan have any say in for example planning of mumbai attacks?


The Turkish-Pakistani relations are based more on the Coldwar background than anything else. And after the 1990s, those ties suffered because of Pakistani support of the Taliban against the Tajik, Uzbek dominated NA who were Turkic origin. Infact, India, Iran, CIS states, Russia and Turkey all alligned more or less to support the NA against the Taliban. Vajpayee govt. was principle in getting Turkey on board post the cold-war era to begin a new era of Indo-Turkish ties among many areas one of which is the fellowship program were Turks come in influential Indian Think Tanks like IDSA and vice versa. The same is for the Saudis which currently provides a third of crude oil imports and is India's fourth biggest trading partner in dollar terms after UAE, China and US.

In today's world, war is just one option of diplomacy. You have to have carrots and sticks in your diplomacy. I think US is a perfect example of how it uses both to a pretty good advantage overall, at least till now. US was not insecure in allowing society-to-society interactions with the USSR. And when disaster relief gived an opportunity as was shown in the example of Turkey-Greece trouble relations to improve relations, it should be taken up.

Of course, the most eloquent reason is probably the second. India will be the country that will be most affected by what happens to Pakistan. We are not living in an isolated world anymore. They are next door neighbors and will continue to remain so. Out of box thinking is the need of the hour and it looks like the GoI has finally come around to understand this.

wether they accept it or not is GoP problem. But India should not shy away from either offering or publicising its help and aid both at govt. and civilian level.

The second reason is that both the negative and positive results of these floods in Pakistan are likely to affect India much more than any other state. If Pakistan becomes a failed state or a totally militarily controlled state, it will have its repercussions first on India-Pakistan relations. Similarly, if extremists and radical elements emerge stronger in Pakistan in the wake of this disaster, that is also likely to hit India first. Indians should understand that the destiny of India and Pakistan is interlinked. It was the same before partition, and is the same even after partition. Those who write Indian history cannot do so properly without any reference to Pakistan; and those who write Pakistan's history cannot do so without India.

 

[ajtr]

The countrywide floods have caused unprecedented death, devastation and destruction. Pakistan never faced any natural calamity of this scale in its history of 63 years. The aftermath of this flood will bring even more destruction. The federal and provincial governments and major humanitarian agencies are involved in coping with rescue, evacuation and relief challenges. According to rough estimates, it may require Rs350 billion to rebuild and rehabilitate the affected areas and people. The international community, particularly the developed and industrialised countries, has a moral and legal obligation to help Pakistan. Countries like Canada, the US, Russia, China, India, Kuwait, Japan and members of the European Union are major contributors towards greenhouse gases emissions due to which climatologically changes take place causing unprecedented heavy rains. Therefore, they must contribute towards the repair and reconstruction efforts through financial assistance on an ongoing basis.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/20-08-2010/newspost/

 

[Agantrope]

http://www.thenews.com.pk/20-08-2010/newspost/

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oh... my beauty, i have never seen a beggar like this :emot15:

 

[arya]

a question Pakistan has to ask from them self why there so called best friend china just offer 1 million help

is there a friendship at equal level

 

[Known_Unknown]

True, it is our moral duty to come to the aid of the Pakistani people in their hour of suffering. But the belligerent attitude of the leaders of Pakistan hurts.

The devastation of the Axis powers, mainly Germany and Japan, was carried out by the European and American powers during the World War was carried out on the basis of the policy - "when you have an unrelenting enemy in your backyard crush him completely in the shortest possible period of time so that peace can maintained in the long run".

There are many in India who feels that we may bleed for the poor and downtrodden in Pakistan but we are, by no means, helping them with our passive and dovish approach. In the face of our passivity, they are being made to suffer by their leaders who keep raising the anti-India bogey for personal gains.

While bending backwards and extending aid, should we be passive? By Jaibans Singh (ANI)

Our moral duty first and foremost is to OUR OWN people. The government still hasn't brought the culprits of 26/11 to justice. More than 170 people died in Mumbai and hundreds more were injured, blinded or crippled for life. The government's first duty is to resolve that issue by punishing the perpetrators of that ghastly massacre wherever they are. I'm not generally a fan of Israel, but that tiny country has the balls to dish it out to the terrorists just as bad or worse than the terrorists dare to dish it out to them. That's how you fight fanaticism. Be more barbaric in your reprisals than the barbarians and they will automatically put their tail between their legs and run.

If someone suggests that we have a higher duty to lessen the suffering of our enemies before that of our own people, he needs a tight smack across the face. I would say that this was the perfect time for India to move the Indian Army closer to the international border just to put pressure on Pakistan and let them know that after Mumbai, not everything will be hunky dory. This is also the perfect time for RAW's counter terrorism units (if they exist) to step up bombings in Baluchistan, Karachi and Lahore. Kill some important people, and leave signs indicating it was RAW who did it. Also make it clear to them that unless the ISI actively pursues and destroys those terrorists groups that create mayhem in India, RAW will step up its operations.

When your enemy is weak, you take advantage and finish him off. Your enemy would certainly show you no mercy if you were in his position, and he has broken the rules by attacking civilians numerous times in the past. If Arjun had not killed Karna when his chariot got stuck in the mud, the Kauravas might have won the war. The morons and peaceniks we have as leaders, have forgotten the basic tenets of warfare expounded more than two thousand years ago by their own ancestors.

 

[Agantrope]

a question Pakistan has to ask from them self why there so called best friend china just offer 1 million help

is there a friendship at equal level

Their Janma Chatru India had given $5M
Their Janma Mitra China had given $1.5M

China is let going the Pak to Unkil's hand

 

[ajtr]

The Turkish author is on a fellowship on the most prestigious of think tanks in India IDSA. It is his opinion and the need to attack is ethnicity rather than his analysis is beyond me.

As Sun Tzu said.
If you know your enemy,t hen you don't have to worry about the outcome of a thousand battles.

Are we considering the people of Pakistan as enemy? Or the elitist PA/ISI and the landlord political class combine that has to use their anti-India rhetoric to keep their hegemony on Pakistani politics. Clearly the India army--the institution that is given the charge to defend India-- does not think so. 'Pakistan Army a threat to India, not its people or government'.

Who do you consider the enemy here? Did the people of Pakistan have any say in for example planning of mumbai attacks?

Its the people who created pakistan not the arm.Its the people who supply endless volunteer cannon fodders foot soldiers terrorists for the army.Pakistani state is so intertwined in islamic coz that you cant put aside a grou and say that group is enemy of india and that is not.Btw kasab's villagers who endorse his cause are general common people of pakistan not its army.So Its better to see Pakistan as a whole rather than in parts as enemy.

In today's world, war is just one option of diplomacy. You have to have carrots and sticks in your diplomacy. I think US is a perfect example of how it uses both to a pretty good advantage overall, at least till now. US was not insecure in allowing society-to-society interactions with the USSR. And when disaster relief gived an opportunity as was shown in the example of Turkey-Greece trouble relations to improve relations, it should be taken up.

Of course, the most eloquent reason is probably the second. India will be the country that will be most affected by what happens to Pakistan. We are not living in an isolated world anymore. They are next door neighbors and will continue to remain so. Out of box thinking is the need of the hour and it looks like the GoI has finally come around to understand this.

Diplomacy works in case of countries who know the essence of it.diplomacy even work in case of india and china but diplomacy can never work in india-pakistan case who is more kinda suicidal country.These day out of box thinking has become the buzzz words.but watever out of box thinking you do with pakistan it wont work.didnt rajiv did the out of box thinking by offereing no-war pact.didnt vajpayee do the out of box thinking.what rajiv was rewarded with or rather PVNR ---benazir's Azadi call on LOC.and vajpayee was rewarded with kargil and 1999 indian airline hijack.Wasnt MMS doing the out of box thinking ...but then what happened the reward of that out of box thinking ..26/11.....No sort of out of box thinking will work with pakistan.only thing works with is DANDA like Indira did.Another buzz word doing round is non state actors and pakistan is also victim of terrorists which is the biggest lie on this earth ever told.

 

[ajtr]

This is better idea. instead of directly paying to the islamabad it must be made sure by countries that aid is directly given to affected provinces and districts.otherwise there are always chances of aid being diverted by elietes of punjab and the pak army.

K-P govt bypasses centre to seek international aid​

ISLAMABAD: In what appeared to be an 'obvious' sign of mistrust within, the provincial government of Khyber-Pukhtunkhwa on Friday held a conference of international donors to seek financial assistance for reconstruction after the worst flooding in history.
The federal government was completely bypassed in the process – a fact that speaks of the extent of differences between the federation and the provinces on how to go ahead with rehabilitation plans in areas hit by the catastrophe.
This is the first time in the history of the country that a provincial government approached the multilateral donors directly with a request for financial aid.
However, provincial authorities justified themselves at a news conference later, that the recently enacted 18th constitutional amendment had empowered provinces to seek assistance from outside the country without involving the federal government.
"It is our prerogative"¦the amendment has given us constitutional powers to undertake this initiative," Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa Information Minister Mian Iftikhar Hussain told the media.
As many as 26 representatives of various multilateral donor agencies and ambassadors of various countries stationed in Islamabad participated in the conference that was held at the Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa House, the camp office of the provincial government in Islambad.
Chief Minister Amir Haider Khan Hoti chaired the conference and told donors the province will be in need of close to $3 billion for reconstruction and rehabilitation endeavours.
He was quoted as telling the ambassadors and representatives of relief agencies that there is a need for Rs25 billion to undertake rescue operations and provide victims with food, shelter and healthcare.
Although Mian Iftikhar termed the event 'successful', he did not mention how much money was pledged. Hoti expressed fears al Qaeda-linked terrorists would be the ultimate beneficiary if government has to abandon flood victims because of scarce funding.
"The gains so far made in our war on terror may be lost if this crisis is not handled properly," one of the participants told The Express Tribune.
According to reports, federal authorities were informed of the conference and an invitation was also issued to them.
"But ultimately it was an unwilling agreement," a top official of the Awami National Party (ANP) said. "The provincial government has been pushing the federal authorities to hold this conference immediately"¦but they appeared reluctant," he added. "That's why we decided to move ahead ourselves."
The ANP leader said the idea behind holding the conference at this stage was that governments in the US and most European countries would be initiating their annual budget making process in a couple of month.
"We want our assistance to be part of their budgets. Had we waited for the federal government to complete its assessment, it would have been too late," the official said.
"And we cannot afford that delay"¦it is a desperate time for us as well as for millions of people in need for help from outside Pakistan," he remarked.
Published in The Express Tribune, August 21st, 2010.