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The agenda has been clear. Take down..first, Iraq, then, Libya, then, Syria and finally, Iran....Shock and Awe !!! Mission Accomplished !!!!!
Taking down Iran by ISIS or any such force would be impossible. Just see what happened to Iraq. Even when Iraq had far more superior machines and well trained troops as well western backing, Iran kicked their butts by sheer guts and motivation, despite having taken a huge toll. Particularly, just like against Iraq, they would be fighting for their very lives against ISIS.

Anyway, Iran has come a long way since Iran-Iraq war and I don't think any rag-tag terrorist force is going to be able to hurt it anyway, specifically because Iran's regime will show the two can play the game of atrocities. The IS is following a path of atrocities simply to strike terror to its enemy before it starts action - an old tactics. So can Iran, as it is no way alien to such action. Further, in Iraq or in Syria, it is difficult to identify IS goons from civilians because of their mixed representation of Shia-Sunni muslims. In Iran, it wouldn't be that much a problem.
 

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Splitting the Check: When Allies Helped Pay for Middle East War
Wars are always expensive. But it helps to split the tab.

As President Barack Obama works to build an international coalition of allies to fight the militant group, the cost of what's likely to be a lengthy and expensive military campaign looms large – particularly after Americans shoveled well more than a trillion dollars into military operations since the 9/11 attacks. Yet it's still unclear how big the price tag could be -- or the extent to which America's allies are willing to spend for another foray into Middle East turmoil.

And there's only one precedent in the past quarter century for an international split check -- as pointed out by former Secretary of State James Baker during an interview on NBC's Meet the Press.

"We got other people to pay for the war," Baker said of the successful campaign to chase Iraqi invaders from Kuwait in 1990 and 1991. Those "other people" included Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Germany and Japan. Together, allies outside the United States covered more than 80 percent of the war's cost, estimated by the Department of Defense to be $61.1 billion – about $107 billion in today's dollars.

Under an agreement brokered by Baker, oil-rich states in the Persian Gulf took on most of the cost of the effort. But most of the nearly 700,000 troops involved in the six week conflict came from the United States, with 383 Americans losing their lives.

According to Pentagon calculations, the United States spent $7.3 billion on the Gulf War effort (about $13 billion, after adjusting for inflation). That's just about 12 percent of the costs of the operation. The lion's share came from Kuwait, which pitched in $16 billion at the time (26 percent), and Saudi Arabia, which contributed $16.8 billion (27 percent). Japan chipped in $10 billion (16 percent); Germany, $6.4 billion (10 percent); United Arab Emirates, $4 billion (6.5 percent); and South Korea, $251 million (0.5 percent).

Now, nearly 40 nations have agreed to contribute in some way to the global fight against ISIS, but the specifics are still very unclear.

Help from abroad could also come in a variety of ways, from providing troops, money or humanitarian aid to coordinating on training, military basing and intelligence efforts. But in a region so often defined by chaos, mistrust and political baggage are sure to make securing specific commitments diplomatically tricky.

The Obama administration wants Congress to vote to authorize U.S. efforts to train moderate Syrian rebels by the end of this month – and has asked for $500 million to fund that effort. Congress is expected to vote on the legal authorization but not on the funds, although lawmakers have made clear that the cash for the training effort is available through existing channels.
 

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My opinion is straightforward..Leave nations alone..do not threaten and attack nations..let them take care of their people..this pathological narcissistic idea of "regime change" has to be out of minds of warmongers. Otherwise, I see more and more ISIS type problems in the future.
Power should not be used to destabilize other countries or their govts.
 

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Lessons from the past: A look at the earliest Mohammedan invasions of Central Asia

Lessons from the past: A look at the earliest Mohammedan invasions of Central Asia | mAnasa-taraMgiNI

First published at IndiaFacts: ISIS Caliphate: Lessons from the earliest Mohammedan invasions of Central Asia | IndiaFacts

By the 1000CE the Turks were already on their way to becoming the primary spearhead of Islam against the Hindus of India, the heathen civilizations of Central Asia, and the Christians in the West. The Mongol conquests of Il-Khan Hülegü in West Asia put an end to the Arab Islamic Caliphate in Baghdad. This was followed by the ascendency of the Turkic Osman empire, at which point the power center within Islam completely shifted from the Arab world to the Turkic world. After the Osman Sultan Mehmet-II [Footnote 1] took Constantinople from the Byzantine Christians he declared himself the Khalifeh ül-Rasul Rab al-A'alamin, i.e. Caliph of Islam. This Osman Caliphate lasted until the last century when it was ended by the secular movement of Mustafa Kemal. Now, 90 years later, the Islamic Caliphate has re-emerged in its former west Asian heartland, where it held sway prior to the Mongol conquests under Dr. Abu Bakr, who claims descent from the same clan as the founder of Islam. The goriness and swiftness of its advance is comparable only to its earlier counterpart from around 1300 years ago. One of the major thrusts of Army of Islam under the early Arab Caliphate was in Central Asia. This came at the expense of the greater Indic civilization and still leaves its mark on bhārata by cutting our nation off from its natural sphere of influence, Central Asia, or what the Hindus called uttarāpatha. Now the new Caliphate has already placed bhārata in it cross-hairs, even as its commander, Ibrahim Awwad al-Badri, made this clear recently. Against this backdrop it is useful to examine the history of these earliest Islamic attacks on Central Asia.

Within 20 years from the death of Mohammed, the founder of Islam, the army of Islam had largely destroyed the powerful Zoroastrian empire of the Sassanians centered in Iran. While the exact reasons for this dramatic collapse of the Iranians before the Mohammedan charge remains unclear, it is conceivable that the death toll from the Justinian plague caused by a particularly virulent strain of the bacterium Yersinia pestis greatly weakened the ability of the former to mount an effective response. In contrast, ensconced in the desert oases the Arabs seem to have been shielded to greater extant from the plague. The Army of Islam made its attempts to invade inner Eurasia and central Asia starting around 650 CE. In a quick-moving assault they pursued the Iranian Shah Yazdegird into Khorasan (Northeastern Iran). He took refuge in the city of Merv, where he was murdered by a Christian commoner for his possessions. With this the curtains came down on the Zoroastrian state, though its remnants kept fighting bravely for a while against Islam. The city of Merv was taken by the Moslems who settled 50,000 Arab families in therein by dispossessing the Zoroastrians of their prized properties and farmland. Thus, they created a base for waging demographic warfare to go hand in hand with their military objectives. Shortly after the death of Yazdegird, his sons fled towards China, while the Arabs launched a series of raids into the Eastern limits of the Sassanian territory around 655CE, and crossed the Amu Darya river into central Asia. Here, the cities such as Bukhara and Samarkand fell in their sight, with their chief targets being the richly endowed bauddha, āstika and Zoroastrian temples and religious sites.

This period was also one of great turmoil on other fronts: Kashmir was going through a phase of relatively weak rulers and so was the rest of northern India after the death of harṣavardhana. This prevented Indian military power from being effectively projected in Central Asia. A new power, Tibet, had emerged and was on its way to being a great power, boosted by their first emperor Songtsen Gampo. The Chinese were launching a massive thrust into central Asia and towards greater India as part of the expansionist policies of the Tang emperor Gaozong [Footnote 2]. Thus, the local powers in Central Asia facing various new political vectors around them were particularly vulnerable to the assaults of the surging Moslems. Despite this several of the small principalities with bauddha, āstika and Zoroastrian affinities boldly fought the Arabs preventing them from making substantial gains in the period between 655-705 CE. Among these was śubhakara siṃha, who was the young ruler of a kingdom in what is today Northern Afghanistan and Southern Tajikistan. He put up a bold fight to repulse the Arab foray into his lands [Footnote 3]. In 682 CE the local struggle against the Islamic assaults was also strengthened by the resurgent heathen Gök (Blue) Turks united by their Khan Qutlugh Eltrish, who helped repulse a Moslem thrust towards Khwarizm and Samarkand.

Finally, in 705 CE after several failed attempts to effectively penetrate Central Asia, the Caliphate appointed Qutayba bin Muslim as the chieftain of Merv. This Arab warlord led a series of brutal jihads to capture the key civilizational centers of Central Asia. The local rulers met at Khwarizm to plan a defensive strategy but it appears they were unable reach a proper plan for united action – it clearly seems they lacked a proper estimate of the threat before them. By the time of his death Qutayba had taken Bukhara, Balkh, Samarkand and other major Khwarizmian cities in quick succession. In each of the places he massacred part of the population and took over the best quarters of the cities and settled Moslems brought from Arabia in those. The rest were made to accept Mohammedanism in return for their heads remaining intact on their shoulders. They were then drafted as "cannon fodder" for the assault on the next city. In addition to the forced conversions, Qutayba took every step to erase all signs of Indic and Iranic civilization in those regions. The Moslem scientist Al-Biruni himself informs us that in the major cities of Khwarizm Qutayba demolished huge libraries and burnt their numerous Indic and Iranic texts. Al-Biruni also mentions that he systematically killed all the Indic and Iranian scholars who manned those libraries. It is of interest to note that certain Western scholars such as the Wilhelm Barthold have claimed that these events did not happen and tried to whitewash the violence of Qutayba. However, there are several accounts from the Moslem sources themselves of the brutality of Qutayba's actions: In 706 CE as a prelude to the assault on Bukhara he took Paikend, which was bravely defended by heathen Iranian and Turkic fighters. He then killed all the males and took the women and children as booty. Many were sent to the slave markets at Kufa, Basra and Merv and it is said that the prices of Central Asian slaves fell drastically by several dirhams. In another assault that followed at the height of winter on the Bukhara oasis the Moslems took many captives who refused to accept Islam; thereupon they were stripped and left to freeze to death. In 709 CE Qutayba finally took Bukhara after much fighting. Those who did not lose their homes were forced to house Moslems and feed them. Then in 712 CE he demolished the main temple of Bukhara, which was a holy site for both bauddha-s and āstika-s [Footnote 4]; he built a Masjid using the material from it.

In 715CE Qutayba bin Muslim was killed in an inter-Moslem conflict for opposing the accession of the next Caliph (As Samuel Huntington said Islam is bloody within and without). But this did not mean that the jihad ended in Central Asia. Rather, new Ghazis or holy warriors volunteered from the Arab ranks to join the fight against the infidels in Central Asia. Without military resources to face the powerful Arab onslaught the local rulers turned to the "superpower" of the day China. The Tang emperors saw in it an opportunity to extend their power, but little real help to the heathens was forthcoming from those quarters. However a few surviving Indic and Iranic scholars found shelter in the cÄ«na country. We know of this from the biographical account of the famous bauddha tAntrika teacher amoghavajra who was born in 705CE in Samarkand to a brāhmaṇa father from either prayāga or kāśī and an Iranic mother. His father died in course of the siege of Qutayba in 715CE and the young amoghavajra fled with his mother to the cÄ«na-deÅ›a. Despite no real aid from any quarter the local rulers did not give up their religion and fought manfully to defend their way of life. We get a glimpse of their difficulties from the letter Ghourek, the Iranic ruler of Samarkand, sent in 718 CE to the Tang emperor politely complaining of his not sending aid:
"Your subject [Ghourek], like the grass and soil trampled by your horses for a million li, submits to the godly emperor who, by the grace of the heavens, rules the entire world. The members of my family, and the various Hou kingdoms, have long been sincerely devoted to your great empire"¦Now for 35 years since we have fought ceaselessly with the Arab brigands; each year we have sent large armies of infantry and cavalry on campaign, without ever enjoying the good fortune of receiving soldiers sent to help us by your imperial kindness. For more than 6 years, the general commanding the Arabs has come at the head of a numerous army; we fought him and tried to defeat him, but many of our soldiers were killed or wounded; as the infantry and cavalry of the Arabs were numerous"¦I returned behind by walls to defend myself. The Arabs then besieged the city, placing 300 ballistas against the walls and at 3 points they dug deep ditches, trying to destroy our kingdom."
In 719 CE, central Asian rulers nārāyaṇa (Southern Tajikistan), Ghourek (Samarkand) and the Indianized Turk tuṣārapati (Bukhara) put a firm resistance against the Arabs and blocked their advance. With this ended the first chapter of the Moslem assault on central Asia. Noting this, the Tang emperor sent them words of encouragement and acknowledged them as independent kings but did little else to help their cause. They finally received succor only when Khan Su-lu became the ruler of the Türgesh Turks and organized a combined heathen front to blunt the Arab advance.

In conclusion, the incidents from the early phase of the Islamic Caliphate's advance into Central Asia are mirrored in many ways by the advance of the current Caliphate, replete with slaughter and enslavement of the Yezidis, one of the last remnants of the old Iranic tradition in the region. Moreover, Hindus need to note that these early invasions were at the expense of regions which were within their sphere of influence and peopled by their co-religionists. Today this memory is largely lost in the collective Hindu awareness. It is also important to note that the heathens of those regions, Indic, Iranic and Turkic, did not "accept" Mohammedanism as though it was gift being conferred on them – a view subtly propagated by certain western scholars in an attempt to create the image of a great flowering of an Arab civilization in Central Asia [Footnote 5]. First, they fought tooth-and-nail to try to halt the Islamic whirlwind sweeping into their lands from the Arabian deserts. Second, the loss of heathen civilization in these regions was ultimately because their libraries were specifically targeted and destroyed, and their scholars killed. Third, while their knowledge systems were destroyed, what remained was appropriated by Islam and is accepted by its proponents (both Mohammedans and their non-Mohammedan supporters) as being part of the Islamic civilization (e.g. several aspects of Al-Biruni's science and the Shah Nameh). Finally, from a geopolitical viewpoint the memory of the struggle in Central Asia should inform Hindus that their ultimate objective should be a state that reasserts itself in those regions as in the past.

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Footnote 1: His brother Yusuf Adil Khan fled Turkey to evade assassination and founded the Adil Shahi Sultanate in South India. It was a major adversary of the great Hindu empires, namely vijayanagara and the marāṭhā empire founded by chatrapati śivājī.

Footnote 2: Gaozong was close to Turkic clan from the region to the North of China and as a youth liked to lead a life like them in camp grounds rather than in the palace. He had inherited the Turkic mounted cavalry divisions his father had built and this greatly aided his military ambitions.

Footnote 3: He is said to have been the descendant of the ruling clan from a small kingdom in what is today the border between modern Madhya Pradesh and Orissa. He went on to renounce his kingdom and become a great mantrayāna teacher who transmitted these traditions to China and from to Japan.

Footnote 4: One may see "Hindu Gods in Western Central Asia A Lesser Known Chapter of Indian History" by S.P. Gupta from evidence for Hindu images from here.

Footnote 5: As an example one may consider the recently published volume: "Lost Enlightenment: Central Asia's Golden Age from the Arab Conquest to Tamerlane" by S. Frederick Star. It gives an effusive account of the "Islamic golden age" in Central Asia with claim that the knowledge systems created there contributed fundamentally to Indian knowledge among others.
 

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Lessons from the past: A look at the earliest Mohammedan invasions of Central Asia

Lessons from the past: A look at the earliest Mohammedan invasions of Central Asia | mAnasa-taraMgiNI

First published at IndiaFacts: ISIS Caliphate: Lessons from the earliest Mohammedan invasions of Central Asia | IndiaFacts

By the 1000CE the Turks were already on their way to becoming the primary spearhead of Islam against the Hindus of India, the heathen civilizations of Central Asia, and the Christians in the West. The Mongol conquests of Il-Khan Hülegü in West Asia put an end to the Arab Islamic Caliphate in Baghdad. This was followed by the ascendency of the Turkic Osman empire, at which point the power center within Islam completely shifted from the Arab world to the Turkic world. After the Osman Sultan Mehmet-II [Footnote 1] took Constantinople from the Byzantine Christians he declared himself the Khalifeh ül-Rasul Rab al-A'alamin, i.e. Caliph of Islam. This Osman Caliphate lasted until the last century when it was ended by the secular movement of Mustafa Kemal. Now, 90 years later, the Islamic Caliphate has re-emerged in its former west Asian heartland, where it held sway prior to the Mongol conquests under Dr. Abu Bakr, who claims descent from the same clan as the founder of Islam. The goriness and swiftness of its advance is comparable only to its earlier counterpart from around 1300 years ago. One of the major thrusts of Army of Islam under the early Arab Caliphate was in Central Asia. This came at the expense of the greater Indic civilization and still leaves its mark on bhārata by cutting our nation off from its natural sphere of influence, Central Asia, or what the Hindus called uttarāpatha. Now the new Caliphate has already placed bhārata in it cross-hairs, even as its commander, Ibrahim Awwad al-Badri, made this clear recently. Against this backdrop it is useful to examine the history of these earliest Islamic attacks on Central Asia.

Within 20 years from the death of Mohammed, the founder of Islam, the army of Islam had largely destroyed the powerful Zoroastrian empire of the Sassanians centered in Iran. While the exact reasons for this dramatic collapse of the Iranians before the Mohammedan charge remains unclear, it is conceivable that the death toll from the Justinian plague caused by a particularly virulent strain of the bacterium Yersinia pestis greatly weakened the ability of the former to mount an effective response. In contrast, ensconced in the desert oases the Arabs seem to have been shielded to greater extant from the plague. The Army of Islam made its attempts to invade inner Eurasia and central Asia starting around 650 CE. In a quick-moving assault they pursued the Iranian Shah Yazdegird into Khorasan (Northeastern Iran). He took refuge in the city of Merv, where he was murdered by a Christian commoner for his possessions. With this the curtains came down on the Zoroastrian state, though its remnants kept fighting bravely for a while against Islam. The city of Merv was taken by the Moslems who settled 50,000 Arab families in therein by dispossessing the Zoroastrians of their prized properties and farmland. Thus, they created a base for waging demographic warfare to go hand in hand with their military objectives. Shortly after the death of Yazdegird, his sons fled towards China, while the Arabs launched a series of raids into the Eastern limits of the Sassanian territory around 655CE, and crossed the Amu Darya river into central Asia. Here, the cities such as Bukhara and Samarkand fell in their sight, with their chief targets being the richly endowed bauddha, āstika and Zoroastrian temples and religious sites.

This period was also one of great turmoil on other fronts: Kashmir was going through a phase of relatively weak rulers and so was the rest of northern India after the death of harṣavardhana. This prevented Indian military power from being effectively projected in Central Asia. A new power, Tibet, had emerged and was on its way to being a great power, boosted by their first emperor Songtsen Gampo. The Chinese were launching a massive thrust into central Asia and towards greater India as part of the expansionist policies of the Tang emperor Gaozong [Footnote 2]. Thus, the local powers in Central Asia facing various new political vectors around them were particularly vulnerable to the assaults of the surging Moslems. Despite this several of the small principalities with bauddha, āstika and Zoroastrian affinities boldly fought the Arabs preventing them from making substantial gains in the period between 655-705 CE. Among these was śubhakara siṃha, who was the young ruler of a kingdom in what is today Northern Afghanistan and Southern Tajikistan. He put up a bold fight to repulse the Arab foray into his lands [Footnote 3]. In 682 CE the local struggle against the Islamic assaults was also strengthened by the resurgent heathen Gök (Blue) Turks united by their Khan Qutlugh Eltrish, who helped repulse a Moslem thrust towards Khwarizm and Samarkand.

Finally, in 705 CE after several failed attempts to effectively penetrate Central Asia, the Caliphate appointed Qutayba bin Muslim as the chieftain of Merv. This Arab warlord led a series of brutal jihads to capture the key civilizational centers of Central Asia. The local rulers met at Khwarizm to plan a defensive strategy but it appears they were unable reach a proper plan for united action – it clearly seems they lacked a proper estimate of the threat before them. By the time of his death Qutayba had taken Bukhara, Balkh, Samarkand and other major Khwarizmian cities in quick succession. In each of the places he massacred part of the population and took over the best quarters of the cities and settled Moslems brought from Arabia in those. The rest were made to accept Mohammedanism in return for their heads remaining intact on their shoulders. They were then drafted as "cannon fodder" for the assault on the next city. In addition to the forced conversions, Qutayba took every step to erase all signs of Indic and Iranic civilization in those regions. The Moslem scientist Al-Biruni himself informs us that in the major cities of Khwarizm Qutayba demolished huge libraries and burnt their numerous Indic and Iranic texts. Al-Biruni also mentions that he systematically killed all the Indic and Iranian scholars who manned those libraries. It is of interest to note that certain Western scholars such as the Wilhelm Barthold have claimed that these events did not happen and tried to whitewash the violence of Qutayba. However, there are several accounts from the Moslem sources themselves of the brutality of Qutayba's actions: In 706 CE as a prelude to the assault on Bukhara he took Paikend, which was bravely defended by heathen Iranian and Turkic fighters. He then killed all the males and took the women and children as booty. Many were sent to the slave markets at Kufa, Basra and Merv and it is said that the prices of Central Asian slaves fell drastically by several dirhams. In another assault that followed at the height of winter on the Bukhara oasis the Moslems took many captives who refused to accept Islam; thereupon they were stripped and left to freeze to death. In 709 CE Qutayba finally took Bukhara after much fighting. Those who did not lose their homes were forced to house Moslems and feed them. Then in 712 CE he demolished the main temple of Bukhara, which was a holy site for both bauddha-s and āstika-s [Footnote 4]; he built a Masjid using the material from it.

In 715CE Qutayba bin Muslim was killed in an inter-Moslem conflict for opposing the accession of the next Caliph (As Samuel Huntington said Islam is bloody within and without). But this did not mean that the jihad ended in Central Asia. Rather, new Ghazis or holy warriors volunteered from the Arab ranks to join the fight against the infidels in Central Asia. Without military resources to face the powerful Arab onslaught the local rulers turned to the "superpower" of the day China. The Tang emperors saw in it an opportunity to extend their power, but little real help to the heathens was forthcoming from those quarters. However a few surviving Indic and Iranic scholars found shelter in the cÄ«na country. We know of this from the biographical account of the famous bauddha tAntrika teacher amoghavajra who was born in 705CE in Samarkand to a brāhmaṇa father from either prayāga or kāśī and an Iranic mother. His father died in course of the siege of Qutayba in 715CE and the young amoghavajra fled with his mother to the cÄ«na-deÅ›a. Despite no real aid from any quarter the local rulers did not give up their religion and fought manfully to defend their way of life. We get a glimpse of their difficulties from the letter Ghourek, the Iranic ruler of Samarkand, sent in 718 CE to the Tang emperor politely complaining of his not sending aid:
"Your subject [Ghourek], like the grass and soil trampled by your horses for a million li, submits to the godly emperor who, by the grace of the heavens, rules the entire world. The members of my family, and the various Hou kingdoms, have long been sincerely devoted to your great empire"¦Now for 35 years since we have fought ceaselessly with the Arab brigands; each year we have sent large armies of infantry and cavalry on campaign, without ever enjoying the good fortune of receiving soldiers sent to help us by your imperial kindness. For more than 6 years, the general commanding the Arabs has come at the head of a numerous army; we fought him and tried to defeat him, but many of our soldiers were killed or wounded; as the infantry and cavalry of the Arabs were numerous"¦I returned behind by walls to defend myself. The Arabs then besieged the city, placing 300 ballistas against the walls and at 3 points they dug deep ditches, trying to destroy our kingdom."
In 719 CE, central Asian rulers nārāyaṇa (Southern Tajikistan), Ghourek (Samarkand) and the Indianized Turk tuṣārapati (Bukhara) put a firm resistance against the Arabs and blocked their advance. With this ended the first chapter of the Moslem assault on central Asia. Noting this, the Tang emperor sent them words of encouragement and acknowledged them as independent kings but did little else to help their cause. They finally received succor only when Khan Su-lu became the ruler of the Türgesh Turks and organized a combined heathen front to blunt the Arab advance.

In conclusion, the incidents from the early phase of the Islamic Caliphate's advance into Central Asia are mirrored in many ways by the advance of the current Caliphate, replete with slaughter and enslavement of the Yezidis, one of the last remnants of the old Iranic tradition in the region. Moreover, Hindus need to note that these early invasions were at the expense of regions which were within their sphere of influence and peopled by their co-religionists. Today this memory is largely lost in the collective Hindu awareness. It is also important to note that the heathens of those regions, Indic, Iranic and Turkic, did not "accept" Mohammedanism as though it was gift being conferred on them – a view subtly propagated by certain western scholars in an attempt to create the image of a great flowering of an Arab civilization in Central Asia [Footnote 5]. First, they fought tooth-and-nail to try to halt the Islamic whirlwind sweeping into their lands from the Arabian deserts. Second, the loss of heathen civilization in these regions was ultimately because their libraries were specifically targeted and destroyed, and their scholars killed. Third, while their knowledge systems were destroyed, what remained was appropriated by Islam and is accepted by its proponents (both Mohammedans and their non-Mohammedan supporters) as being part of the Islamic civilization (e.g. several aspects of Al-Biruni's science and the Shah Nameh). Finally, from a geopolitical viewpoint the memory of the struggle in Central Asia should inform Hindus that their ultimate objective should be a state that reasserts itself in those regions as in the past.

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Footnote 1: His brother Yusuf Adil Khan fled Turkey to evade assassination and founded the Adil Shahi Sultanate in South India. It was a major adversary of the great Hindu empires, namely vijayanagara and the marāṭhā empire founded by chatrapati śivājī.

Footnote 2: Gaozong was close to Turkic clan from the region to the North of China and as a youth liked to lead a life like them in camp grounds rather than in the palace. He had inherited the Turkic mounted cavalry divisions his father had built and this greatly aided his military ambitions.

Footnote 3: He is said to have been the descendant of the ruling clan from a small kingdom in what is today the border between modern Madhya Pradesh and Orissa. He went on to renounce his kingdom and become a great mantrayāna teacher who transmitted these traditions to China and from to Japan.

Footnote 4: One may see "Hindu Gods in Western Central Asia A Lesser Known Chapter of Indian History" by S.P. Gupta from evidence for Hindu images from here.

Footnote 5: As an example one may consider the recently published volume: "Lost Enlightenment: Central Asia's Golden Age from the Arab Conquest to Tamerlane" by S. Frederick Star. It gives an effusive account of the "Islamic golden age" in Central Asia with claim that the knowledge systems created there contributed fundamentally to Indian knowledge among others.
 

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ISIS Pays Foreign Fighters $1,000 a Month: Jordan King
ISIS militants are paying foreign fighters $1,000 a month, King Abdullah II of Jordan said Monday. The king pointed out that the sum is equivalent to middle-class or upper-middle-class income in Jordan, underscoring the challenge of fighting the militant organization and its allure for would-be jihadists. Analysts have estimated that ISIS has at least 10,000 foreign fighters.
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US airstrikes hit Islamic State in Syria
The United States and its allies have expanded their war against the Islamic State by launching aggressive airstrikes against an array of targets of the militant group in Syria, the Pentagon has said.

"I can confirm that US military and partner nation forces are undertaking military action against ISIL (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant) terrorists in Syria using a mix of fighter, bomber and Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles," Pentagon Press Secretary Rear Admiral John Kirby said.

However, he did not give details of the airstrikes arguing that operations are still ongoing.
But was syrian regime's assent taken??
 

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Wary of air strikes, ISIS militants change tactics
Militants of Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) militants are changing tactics in the face of U.S. air strikes in northern Iraq, ditching conspicuous convoys in favor of motorcycles and planting their black flags on civilian homes, tribal sources and eyewitnesses say.

They reported fewer militant checkpoints to weed out "apostates" and less cell phone use since the air strikes intensified and more U.S. allies pledged to join the campaign that began in August, saying the militants had also split up to limit casualties.

A tribal sheikh from a village south of Kirkuk said ISIS elements "abandoned one of their biggest headquarters in the village" when they heard the air strike campaign was likely to target their area.

"They took all their furniture, vehicles and weapons. Then they planted roadside bombs and destroyed the headquarters," said the tribal sheikh who declined to be named.

"They don't move in military convoys like before. Instead they use motorcycles, bicycles, and if necessary, they use camouflaged cars," he said.

The militants have also taken to erecting their notorious black flag on the rooftops of several mostly empty residential houses and buildings, to create confusion about their actual presence.

Civilian casualties are a major concern as U.S. war planes venture deeper into the Tigris River valley and to Iraq's western desert in the name of breaking ISIS's grip on mostly Sunni parts of Iraq -- nearly one-third of the country. France has also taken part in the air campaign.

Tribal and local intelligence sources said an air strike on Thursday near Bashir town, 20 km (12 miles) south of Kirkuk, had killed two local senior ISIS leaders while they were receiving a group of militants from Syria and Mosul. Ongoing fighting makes it impossible to verify the reports.

A U.S.-led coalition has started bombing the militants in Syria as well, fearing the Sunni extremist group could threaten national security from a caliphate they have declared in territory seized there and through the border into Iraq.

Arab allies have joined in and this week Denmark and Britain both pledged fighter jets to Iraq but not Syria.

In another village near Haweeja in northern Iraq, a source said the militants had ditched the use of long convoys of conspicuous vehicles with mounted machine guns and also noted their new preference for motor-bikes.

ISIS fighters, who have controlled much of Syria's eastern oil and agricultural provinces for more than a year, swept through mainly Sunni Muslim regions of north Iraq in mid-June, seizing cities including Mosul and Tikrit and halting less than 100 miles (160 km) from the capital Baghdad.

But their recent moves suggest they are worried about the air strikes, which are backed on the ground by a largely hapless Iraqi army but a more formidable Kurdish peshmerga force.

"They were executing people like drinking water ... Now the air strikes are very active and have decreased the (militants') ability," Sheikh Anwar al-Assy al-Obeidi, the head of his tribe in Kirkuk and across Iraq, told Reuters.

"Wherever they hide, people want to get rid of them because they're afraid their houses will be struck," said Obeidi, who fled to Kurdistan this summer after ISIS blew up his home.

Shutting cellphones, switching cars

The insurgents have gone underground in their main Syrian stronghold since U.S. President Barack Obama authorized U.S. air strikes on the group in Syria - which began earlier this week.

They have disappeared from streets, redeployed weapons and fighters, and cut down their media exposure, residents said.

The air strikes have by no means crippled them. Their fighters edged towards a strategic town on northern Syria's border with Turkey on Friday, battling Kurdish forces, while air strikes hit their oilfields and bases in Syria's east.

In the eastern Iraqi province of Diyala, an eyewitness said the air strikes had forced the militants to cut back the number of checkpoints which inspected identity cards, looking for those they considered "apostates": Shi'ites, policemen, soldiers.

"They have also increased the number of headquarters, instead of two, they now have 20, with only 3-4 people in each one of them," said the eyewitness.

An eyewitness in Jalawla town in Diyala also said the militants had decreased their presence on the frontline, no longer confronting army troops with large numbers.

In Tikrit, police colonel Hassan al-Jabouri said the militants had withdrawn their checkpoints from main thoroughfares in the city, retreating to side streets.

"They have also switched cars between the areas they control and our intelligence indicates that they have all changed their cell phones. These are always shut and the batteries are removed unless they need to use them," Jabouri told Reuters.

In perhaps the most obvious indication the militants are wary of the strikes, they have taken to digging and hiding in trenches -- just big enough for two people -- in residents' backyards.
 

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Kurdish woman suicide bomber attacks IS in Syria: monitor

BEIRUT: A female Kurdish fighter carried out a suicide bomb attack against jihadists from the Islamic State group outside the embattled Syrian border town of Kobane on Sunday, a monitor said. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the woman blew herself up at an Islamic State position east of the city, killing a number of jihadists who have surrounded Kobane and are battling to seize it. "The operation caused deaths, but there is no confirmed number," Observatory director Rami Abdel Rahman said. He said it was the first reported instance of a female Kurdish fighter carrying out a suicide bombing against the Islamic State group, which has itself often favoured the tactic. IS began its advance on Kobane, Syria's third largest Kurdish town, on September 16, seeking to cement its grip over a long stretch of the Syria-Turkey border. The fighting around the town, also known as Ain al-Arab, has prompted a mass exodus of residents from the area, with some 186,000 fleeing across the border into Turkey.
Kurdish woman suicide bomber attacks IS in Syria: monitor - The Times of India
 

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Islamic State Battles Kurdish Fighters in Syrian Border City for First Time




Turkish tanks take up positions on the Syrian border near the town of Suruç on Monday as radical group mounts offensives on nearby Kobani. Reuters

ISTANBUL—Islamic State militants waged fierce battles with Kurdish fighters on the outskirts of Kobani, raising fears the Syrian city would fall to the extremist group despite U.S.-led airstrikes aimed at halting the latest advance.

Islamic State has captured more than 300 Syrian Kurdish villages around the city, also known as Ayn al-Arab, over the past three weeks. But Monday was the first time the group entered the outskirts of the city near the Turkish border—a show of strength in the face of weeks of air attacks by the U.S. and its allies on Islamic State targets inside Syria.

The militants raised two of their black flags—one on top of a civilian apartment building and another on a hilltop near a checkpoint at the city's eastern entrance. This brought them within about a mile of the city center, said Meysa Abdo, a local commander of the Syrian Kurdish militia known as the Syrian Kurdish People's Defense Units, or YPG. The standard above the checkpoint could be seen from villages inside Turkey.

The U.S. Central Command said Monday that it had conducted an airstrike south of Kobani and destroyed two fighting positions of Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL.

"We're working closely to do everything we can to help push back ISIL in this part of the country," said State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki.

That attack and several others in the same area in recent days represent departures from the U.S. policy of conducting strikes in Syria to degrade the capabilities of Islamic State militants operating in neighboring Iraq.

However, the U.S. strikes in the area have failed to blunt Islamic State's offensive and State Department officials said top U.S. officials will hold meetings in Turkey this week on the international coalition forming to counter the extremist offensive. Retired Marine Gen. John Allen, the Obama administration's special envoy in the fight against Islamic State, and Brett McGurk, deputy assistant secretary of state, are traveling to Turkey.

The U.S. has been pressing Turkey to take a more active role in the coalition. The Turkish parliament last week granted the government a virtually free hand in dealing with any threats against Turkey from Syria or Iraq, including cross-border operations and deploying foreign troops inside Turkey.

Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said in an interview with CNN on Monday that Turkey would take all measures possible to counter any threat against its security. He reiterated his country's demand that the U.S.-led coalition also go after Syrian President Bashar al-Assad as well as Islamic State.

The U.S. Central Command said Monday that it had conducted an airstrike south of Kobani and destroyed two fighting positions of Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL.

"We're working closely to do everything we can to help push back ISIL in this part of the country," said State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki.

That attack and several others in the same area in recent days represent departures from the U.S. policy of conducting strikes in Syria to degrade the capabilities of Islamic State militants operating in neighboring Iraq.

However, the U.S. strikes in the area have failed to blunt Islamic State's offensive and State Department officials said top U.S. officials will hold meetings in Turkey this week on the international coalition forming to counter the extremist offensive. Retired Marine Gen. John Allen, the Obama administration's special envoy in the fight against Islamic State, and Brett McGurk, deputy assistant secretary of state, are traveling to Turkey.

The U.S. has been pressing Turkey to take a more active role in the coalition. The Turkish parliament last week granted the government a virtually free hand in dealing with any threats against Turkey from Syria or Iraq, including cross-border operations and deploying foreign troops inside Turkey.

Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said in an interview with CNN on Monday that Turkey would take all measures possible to counter any threat against its security. He reiterated his country's demand that the U.S.-led coalition also go after Syrian President Bashar al-Assad as well as Islamic State.

Kurdish fighters have called for international military aid, saying the occasional coalition airstrikes near Kobani have done little to deter the better-armed Islamic State.

But any military aid to the YPG is complicated by the group's links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which is listed as a terrorist organization by the U.S., Turkey, and the European Union. The Turkish government has held fragile peace talks with the PKK for nearly two years, after a three-decade conflict that has claimed some 40,000 lives.

The jailed PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan warned last week that the fall of Kobani would bring the peace process to a violent end, accusing the Turkish government of deliberately helping Islamic State against the Kurds to prevent the "revolution in Rojava."

Thousands of Turkish Kurds have traveled to Syria to defend Kobani.

Speaking at a news conference in Warsaw, the new secretary-general of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization tried to assure Turkey the alliance would support its fellow member if violence spills over from Syria.

Jens Stoltenberg said NATO's main responsibility is to protect all allied countries, adding that the organization has deployed Patriot missiles in Turkey to enhance its air defense.

"The Turks know that NATO will be there if there is any spillover and attacks on Turkey as a consequence of the violence we see in Syria," he said.

—Felicia Schwartz, Dion Nissenbaum and Marcin Sobczyk contributed to this article.

Write to Ayla Albayrak at [email protected]

Islamic State Battles Kurdish Fighters in Syrian Border City for First Time - WSJ
 

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Do fear! ISIS is spreading like wildfire!

ISIS Presence in Indonesia Raises Concern - The Jakarta Globe
"Retrospectively, we had been attacked before by several disruptive terrorist groups. That is why we need to keep a close eye on this matter. We don't want these branches to develop into a bigger network," he said.

"ISIS is a radical movement in Iraq. While in Indonesia, we don't clearly know the goals of the branches created by their supporters. But if they succeed to attract more and more support, we have to be more careful. We do not want this support to grow as a movement which could surprisingly threatens and attacks our official authority," he said. "The national safeguard needs to study these branches and their followers. Will it disrupt the continuity of this country and spread extremist dogma?"

Bantarto said even though the branches of ISIS in this country have not yet indicated treacherous motives against the Indonesian government, preventive steps are needed in order to combat disruptive activities against the nation.

"The supporters of the ISIS movement should be closely monitored regularly to prevent them from seeking public support. The police and security-related institutions should observe the development of this branches," he said.

"One of the branches was established in Indonesia's capital, Jakarta while another one was established in West Nusa Tenggara, which seems to have been strategic moves," he said.

"Our government also needs to find out about the relations between these branches and existing extremist groups in Indonesia such as JI, JAT and others "¦ The monitoring should be done actively and continuously," he said. "Early prevention is the most important thing we can do right now."
 

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About time.Time for Kurdistan has come.More than Palestinians we need to support a Kurdistan state,free Tibet and free East Turkmenistan.Lets hope ErdoÄŸan is with us.
Is there any movement for east turkmenistan within turkmenistan?? If am not wrong TAPI pipeline will come from east turkmenistan region. Or Did you mean east turkistan aka xinjiang?
 

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