The Fall of the Soviet Union

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    'I fought for USSR, but failed': RT talks to Mikhail Gorbachev

    [h=1]'I fought for USSR, but failed': RT talks to Mikhail Gorbachev[/h]
     
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    Gorbachev was an idiot and Yeltsin a drunk!
     
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    One of the saddest days in human history, IMO. It was a great country, though it had flaws like any other state.

    Personally, I always remember the USSR for its friendly assistance to India when we were still a young republic, for showing that humanity's potential is limitless by opening the world to the Space Age, and for the noble idealism (dampened though it was by tragic reality) on which it was born.

    Slava CCCP!

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    Many of my father's books on architecture were translated from CCCP.

    "We'll be living in apartments like in Soviet Union someday with electricity and telephones", such remarks are available in older generations' reminiscence back in 1960s, and "Today of Soviet Union will be tomorrow of China" alike. The significance of its fall IMO includes loss of an alternative development model.

    Ironically on the basis of its collapse China's defense industry got modernized - hundreds (or thousands) of Russian/Ukrainian scientists were invited to work for China, by Premier Li Peng, who earned his engineering degree from FSU.
     
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    In a way the collapse of the SU was good for India in the long run.It was not much of a match for the US though it tried really hard.
    Otherwise today Pakistan would have been a much more formidable enemy US backing it. Besides we would have still been in the pre liberalisation era and lost out on a lot of economic growth.

    I just hate the stupid Bhai Bhai slogans.
     
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    Good or bad, better than US or not, the USSR was indeed a great friend India had, at the times when she needed her most. Young, inexperienced, nascent and vulnerable India learnt plenty from the USSR who stood there like a benevolent and protective elder brother.

    India got access to a lot of technology that no other country was willing to share. What is the point in arguing the Soviets were good but the US is better, which of course is not true in many cases. The best that India was able to get was from the USSR, hence, for us that is what matters.
     
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    Hindi Rusi Bye-Bye (not Bhai-Bhai)

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    That's a complete wrong way in which the world would have worked, had a reformed USSR being in existence now the world would have been a better place .and also INDIA
     
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    What do you guys think is the reason for its collapse and what should the lesson be ? i can go on pointing in this thread about a lot of facts still unknown by indians and deliberately not published by the west to hide the good deeds of the SU
     
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    A whole host of reasons IMO, from economical collapse, to power hungry opportunists.
     
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    Tronic , economy was main so was that , did you consider the religious aspects ? or did you consider the change in idealism , removing the idea of the ETERNAL SOVIET MAN

    the main idea of collapse was the human factor which many dont count , HUMAN beings changed and it happened too soon to even take the jolt .
     
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    [h=1]The straw that broke the Soviet Union's back[/h]

    The straw that broke the Soviet Union's back | Features & Opinion | RIA Novosti
     
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    [h=1]The last will of the Soviet people[/h]
    Here read this 74 percent people voted to kept the soviet union alive and they loved it , those who say that human beings were angry with the regime and the policies arnt true , majority of the citizens wanted the SU to stay and live .

    the vote which was futile and never considered .

    more here :- The last will of the Soviet people | Features & Opinion | RIA Novosti
     
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    A.V.,

    Kindly share with us all you can about what happened in the USSR before its collapse, including the causes that are not heard of.

    I have relatives in Russia, who migrated to the USSR before its collapse, but I would like to hear your story.

    Thanks
     
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    but i heard soviet union fell under by Zahil hamid and his few good men:confused::confused::confused::confused::whistle::whistle:
     
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    That was what the Mujahideen and Taliban often bragged about before invading India (Kargil). 'We defeated the Russians, we'll defeat the Indians,' was their refrain, till they got their posteriors handed down to them.

    The USSR collapsed due its own deficiencies.
     
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    One of the things that i think is prominent :- the last 5 years of the SU

    1. religious rules were revoked which made the people believe that the ideals of the SU they followed were wrong .

    The supreme council that looked after the religious aspects were just made a body for consultation in 1991 , this is in direct conflict over the 70 years of soviet rule which made religion as a sign of weakness towards the idea of the SOVIET MAN .


    2. Opening up the market for western big mncs likely macds and rest , they brought with them the baggage of the west . they could have opened up the market for europe just rather than the US .the issue was these big MACS were offered deals to get them dear killing whatever little was left of the domestic area, TILL TODAY 2 MACDS IN MOSCOW ARE ON A RENT OF ROUBLE 1 PER MONTH IN CENTRAL KREMLIN AREA . imagine they were given perks to get them there and showcase the gloss of the wet deliberately.
     

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