The danger from China between 2011 and 2014

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  1. chex3009

    chex3009 Regular Member

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    The danger from China between 2011 and 2014

    The multi-dimensional threat between 2011 and 2014 from China is real.

    Taken aback by screaming headlines in the media that nervous China may attack India in 2012, two former generals who commanded a corps and division respectively on the Sino-Indian borders, went in to war game huddle.

    Both military men concluded that the Chinese couldn’t breach their respective corps or divisional boundaries. Since the Chinese cannot get away by attacking well entrenched corps or division they commanded earlier, the generals ruled out the possibility of China imposing war on India.

    That the Chinese may simply bypass and drop Special Forces to choke vulnerable Siliguri Corridor and cut off the Northeast was overlooked.

    Similarly, another general flaunted borrowed concept of ‘limited war’ with nuclear powered adversaries. He overlooked a simple fact that nuclear-armed neighbors may not be amenable to any such restrictions imposed by India.

    The question: “Limited by whom?”

    The answer: Self-imposed limitation on Indian mind built over centuries.

    A gentleman was invited to Beijing for a period of ten days. He was overwhelmed by the gracious hospitality extended by the Chinese. Subtly, the Chinese conducted ‘psychological-warfare’ on him by repeatedly planting ideas that their country is a developing economy like India. To them, the first task at hand therefore was to remove poverty by developing the whole country. The Chinese sold the notion that this consolidation would require at least twenty years.

    Hence, to suggest that China can attack India before twenty years is outrageous!

    Laced with an overdose of hospitality, in merely ten days he convinced himself of the good intentions of the Chinese, overlooking their legacy of an imperial past. On his return, he vigorously promoted the concept that there was nothing to fear from China in the next twenty years, as it was too busy developing their country.

    Born and brought up in India, he knew the Indian society inside-out, but is unable to forecast the immediate two years. Yet he could forecast the Chinese behavior pattern for the next twenty years with certainty, in mere ten days of travel.

    Indians continue to live in isolated compartments of their making without inter-linkages with the big picture. This compartmentalized thinking is a cultural defect that ensures absence of connectivity with other multiple lateral tactical pictures. These small pictures if sensibly stitched together create ‘whole’ which helps in formulation of a grand strategy.

    The threat from China has crept to level ‘Orange’ for the past many years and the creeping invasion built over decades displays great features of stealth.

    First, they invaded and forcibly occupied independent Tibet. Subsequently, to protect their flank in Tibet, the Chinese demand that Arunachal be part of China. Theoretically, even if India hands over conveniently termed Southern Tibet, China would then want to occupy whole of Northeast to protect flanks of newly assimilated Arunachal.

    This is the Chinese style creeping invasion by stealth.

    China primarily feels threatened by existence of the Union of India as it challenges its ambition of being the unilateral power leading Asia. Instead of integration of the citizenry and consolidation of different regions, our shortsighted politicians extend a helping hand to China and Pakistan by dividing Indians internally for vote-bank-politics.

    To counter threat posed at multiple-levels by China, India’s long term declared objective should be to demand vacation of all illegally occupied territories by China and Pakistan. To equate legal accession of Kashmir by New Delhi with forcible occupation of independent Tibet by China is a fallacy. Moreover, our borders were with independent Tibet and never with China.

    Taiwan is an independent country and we should sign an FTA with them.

    We should assist in re-unification of South Korea and North Korea. A united democratic Korea in China’s vicinity and militarized Japan in Asia aligned with India can impose severe restrictions on China and its proxies.

    If dysfunctional Pakistan splinters, China will lose access to Gawdar Port too.

    New Delhi should lower the trade profile with China. The one-way trade that favors Beijing ultimately helps it to divert profits to bolster Pakistan against India. This folly is akin to the Indian Prime Minster forcing taxpayers’ 25 million dollars aid on reluctant Pakistan.

    Islamabad will use our money to bolster its terror machine against us!

    Asian democracies should form an umbrella around China and interface it with the Western democracies. Beijing is mortally scared of democracies acting in unison and power of the free press they wield.

    The announcement that 1962 will not be allowed to repeat shows that generals are preparing for the last war. With access to the latest technology from the West and abundance of quality human resources, we should be preparing for the next war. New Delhi should create lethal integrated highly acclaimed young war machine, which takes away the cost-benefit advantage of imposing war on India from the adversary.

    Make India’s military power simply awesome to deter the enemy!

    Acquiring modern military wherewithal by India’s multi-cultural democracy is vital. Indian democracy is unique and possibly the largest social experiment in diversity ever. Surrounded by authoritarian or Islamic fundamentalist regimes and situated within the arc of terrorism in Asia, this experiment to succeed requires a world-class military.

    It is vital to rapidly modernize the Indian Armed Forces in terms of human resources and equip them with technological capabilities to conduct deep offensive operations. To win, always take the war to the enemy. Military needs to be equipped accordingly. Today, ill-equipped and ageing armed forces cannot meet the threat posed by China and Pakistan together.

    The younger generation that takes over India from 2015 will be assertive and dynamic, with the ability to meet threats posed in a far superior manner. This will undermine the chances of adversary’s success. On the other, China’s ageing profile in the next three years, along with distorted policies like one child norm will be a drag on the society. The Chinese economic miracle is on the wane with internal turmoil on the rise.

    Between 2011 and 2014, New Delhi therefore is highly susceptible to an attack due to paralysis in its ageing leadership, inability to rapidly create strong decisive international alliances, take advantage of the latest defence technology and equipment on offer to outpace the adversary, and the inability to reclaim the strategic space in its vicinity.

    The window of opportunity for China vis-à-vis India will start diminishing after this period with increasing internal turmoil and its right hand Pakistan withering away.

    http://www.indiandefencereview.com/IDR-Updates/The-danger-from-China-between-2011-and-2014.html
     
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  3. captonjohn

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    Agree with you and impressed how close your judgement is with mine. There are several reasons which are more than enough to drive us to war with china. People is confused with large scale war and limited war. When our politician says that china can't go for war with India, it means that they are talking about full scale war but when there are solid possibilities exists and chinese action confirms their intention towards India then our politician is closing eyes and saying there is no problem.

    Ignorance being the main cause for most battles in the history including WW2 and we are repeating same mistakes again.
     
  4. Virendra

    Virendra Moderator Moderator

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    Thinking about that, is their constant needling an attempt to force us make the first move ?
    They've been testing our patience big time over diplomacy, border conditions and long term policies on unsettled disputes.
    While our government is full of experienced people but at the same time - they're over aged.
     
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    kickok1975 Stars and Ambassadors Stars and Ambassadors

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    I'm surprised of such obsession of China’s attack theory showing here again and again. China has far more powerful adversary to worry about than India. She is surrounding by more techs advanced militaries. It would be foolish for China to attack India. Indian people should have some confidence on your own military and your own strategic situation.

    If you are using China as a tool to create fear theory in order to boost military spending, that’s probably more understandable. But every new development of Chinese military is not necessarily targetting India. And India’s current top priority is still developing economy instead of matching China's military from tooth to toe.
     
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  6. badguy2000

    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    My agenda between 2011-2014
    1.to marry one pretty girl.
    2.have a baby.
    3.to buy one car
    4.to get a promotion.
    5.to buy another apartment.
    6.to pay off the bank loan

    I think that the above should be the agenda of most Chinese commons.
    so, the fact that "China can attack India " so called has nothing to do with the ass of Chinese common.
     
  7. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    There is every possibility of having conflict of interests, but it would not be in China's or India's interest to have a full fledged or limited war.

    But then, one cannot foresee the future.

    It is interesting that the author of the article feels that China can airdrop Special Forces to cut off the Siliguri Corridor. It is one issue to drop forces and it is quite another issue to sustain that force by logistics. Unless, of course, he feels that the logistics will come from Nepal and the hills of Bengal and Sikkim and into the plains. In other words, the scenario is that the people of Sikkim, hills and plains of Bengal will be disloyal to India.

    I wonder why this scare scenario is being painted without facts to back them up.

    One should not be complacent, yet at the same time, one should not imagine things without facts to back up.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Let us assume that the Chinese can paradrop their Special Force (SF) in the Siliguri Corridor.

    What would be the strength of the Special Force?

    Do the Chinese SF have arty, armr or logistics in built in their org?

    When the Chinese SF airdrop, will the Indian military be sitting and watching them come down or will they pursue them and not let them consolidate?

    Is there no Indian forces in the Siliguri Corridor?

    When will the link with the main Chinese Forces be effected.

    How long will the Chinese SF sustain themselves?

    Will the locals sit pretty and wait to become Chinese nationals?

    The article is flawed and it has not be thought through.

    It is mere scaremongering.

    But what is interesting is why this scaremongering?
     
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  9. arya

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    well brother china is little ahead so we have to make a question about our defence and i dont think there is any thing wrong


    well two equll power is good for asia future and for world also
     
  10. Nagraj

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    well 1962 was a humiliating experience for india.
    many indian's aren't even fully aware of complete picture of 1962 debacle hence the hysteria. and hence the disbelief over capability of our forces.
     
  11. vishal_lionheart

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    Hindi chini bhai-bhai

    long live sino-india friendship

    hindi chini bhai bhai
     
  12. captonjohn

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    I must clarify that we are talking about possibilities based on current incidents and action by chinese government towards India. This doesn't implies that we are surely going for war. We all are here to discuss about all possibilities to defend nations interest and security so don't take it otherwise here.
     
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    Good luck for your agenda badguy! I hope your thinking prove true and all people from china think the same as in India almost everyone has similar plans in future.
     
  14. kickok1975

    kickok1975 Stars and Ambassadors Stars and Ambassadors

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    I dare to say 1962 type of war would never happen again between India and China.
     
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    Appreciate your views and dare but action speaks louder than words. Your point doesn't reflects in CCP's actions specially in J&K, arunachal visa issue, infrastructure on POK etc.
     
  16. kickok1975

    kickok1975 Stars and Ambassadors Stars and Ambassadors

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    I didn't say it for good gesture, but on calculated realities.
     
  17. redragon

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    Yea, right, like the first day you are here
     

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