Talking with the Indians

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  1. KS

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    Talking with the Indians | DAWN.COM

    One of the best articles I have read in Dawn by a former career diplomat. Even though I may disagree on certain platitudes Tanvir Ahmed Khan heaps on Nehru, I still think, for all the faults of Indian diplomacy it still managed to do better than that of Pakistan.
     
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    Some rubbish i feel Kartic. Nehru is being far more credit for the blunders he committed. There was hardly any strategic planning at the time. We still have the same culture and lack far sighted strategic planning. In all the chaos post independence, i really doubt anyone actually thought what will happen 50 years down the line and plan accordingly.

    India became a status quo power? We were destined to be a power. The Brits realized it long ago and that is why the partition in the first place.

    The best statement is an oxymorn, "Nehru had a grasp for realpolitik" :rofl:
     
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    Just imagine the quality of leadership on that side if they consider Nehru this way..:rofl:

    And there is certainly some truth in that.I may not agree with Nehru's foreign and defence policies but he did a good job in building infrastructure like damns, educational institutions and made democracy rooted in India. There is no harm in giving credit where it is due.
     
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    Nehru had a good understanding of many things, but realpolitik and how to implement an effective foreign and defence policy were not among them.
     
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    No doubt in that. Add to that steel plants.. he realized the value of developing industries. Implementation part is a suspect.
     
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    Chacha Nehru has been given too much credit :(, the blunders he has committed is unparalleled in recent history, like giving away more then 80% water to pakis from Indus treaty.
     
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    all the realpolitik and in Kashmir was done by Sardar Patel,and he was stopped by completing it by Nehru.

    But yes, except that part, the article does make very good points.
     
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    Well there are pluses and minuses for everyone

    You have to keep in mind that Nehru was interested in keeping good relations with all powers and mainly the UK and USSR which he considered to be the most powerful countries. We have the benefit of hindisight but in the 1950s, the USSR was a very powerful country with huge influence across the world. At the same time, Nehru had to work with an inbuilt bias from the UK-US duo that had already made up their mind to use Pakistan as their new base of operations to contain USSR. When the Kashmir issue reached the UN in good faith, Nehru realised how India was getting the raw end of the deal and rejected the UN resolutions. He also presided over the integration of the princely state helped mainly by Patel. Not to mention the firm stand Nehru took in annexing portuguese colonies in 1960. This again was done in the face of a very hostile US. But Nehru did not relent at the threats.
    Later in 62 when he needed US help, he didn't hesitate in asking the US to help him out against the Chinese despite the previous issues it had during the Goa annexation as well as the fact that Pakistan had joined the US military pacts. India needed all help it could get and Nehru didn't see any reason not to get it form the US.
    The linguistic state re-organisation in 1956 and then tackling the language issue was also a big deal to maintain the unity and integrity of the newly independant republic

    There are blunders that deserve criticism, but there are other things that he did right.
     
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    Nehru had made many blunders in recasting modern INDIA, if it was Sardar Vallabh bhai than geography would have been different and also the complexity of issue of Kashmir. His knowledge of security and other matters was limited, he also placed his people on prominent posts and didnt listened to the people with more wisdom.
     
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