Taiwan's TSMC cutting-edge semiconductor chips (Pictures)

Discussion in 'China' started by Martian, Jul 19, 2015.

  1. Martian

    Martian Respected Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2009
    Messages:
    1,344
    Likes Received:
    262
    Location:
    Boston
    TSMC’s 7nm tech will use 10nm elements, production starts in 2018 | KitGuru

    "TSMC’s 7nm tech will use 10nm elements, production starts in 2018
    July 18th, 2015 at 5:18 pm - Author Anton Shilov

    Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. this week disclosed some additional details about its 7nm fabrication process. TSMC reiterated plans to start qualifications of the technology in early 2017 and then initiate volume production in 2018. The 7nm process will use certain elements derived from the 10nm fabrication process, which will help the company and its clients in terms of yields and transition, but with trade-offs.

    'The development activity on our 7nm is also ongoing with full steam,' said said Mark Liu, president and co-CEO of TSMC, during the company’s earnings conference call with investors and financial analysts. 'We have a parallel team working on that program. We target 7nm technology qualification in the first quarter 2017, only five quarters after 10nm.'"

    [​IMG]
    TSMC Fab 4 Wafer Semiconductor Chip 300mm


    [​IMG]
    TSMC Fab 14 Semiconductor Chip Plant Interior


    [​IMG]
    TSMC Fab 3 Wafer Semiconductor Chip 300mm
     
    Rowdy likes this.
  2.  
  3. Rowdy

    Rowdy Co ja kurwa czytam! Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2014
    Messages:
    3,256
    Likes Received:
    2,959
    Location:
    Milky Bar
    And Intel just pushed back by one year their 10 nm Chips
     
    Martian likes this.
  4. Rowdy

    Rowdy Co ja kurwa czytam! Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2014
    Messages:
    3,256
    Likes Received:
    2,959
    Location:
    Milky Bar
    DO you have Info on the new EUV process
     
  5. adam7

    adam7 New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2015
    Messages:
    27
    Likes Received:
    20
  6. Martian

    Martian Respected Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2009
    Messages:
    1,344
    Likes Received:
    262
    Location:
    Boston
    Source (EE Times): http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1325787

    "Lithography tools

    TSMC will use immersion lithography tools for 10nm production, Sun said. The company has not yet announced what lithography tools it will use for more advanced nodes.

    'We are working with ASML with the objective at some future point if extreme ultraviolet (EUV) becomes manufacturing ready, we can insert EUV partially to 10nm,' she said. 'Partial insertion means only in a few critical layers.'

    The use of EUV for process technology beyond 10nm still depends on whether it will be ready for manufacturing, Sun said. 'It is still a work in progress,' she added."
     
    Rowdy likes this.
  7. badguy2000

    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Messages:
    4,957
    Likes Received:
    613
    Taiwan is leading as for workshop processing and experience,but such a lead is quite not consolidated,when mainland china keeps pouring billions of dollar into such fields. In fact,china's yearly investment on semiconductors is even larger than india's yearly defence expenditure.
     
  8. badguy2000

    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Messages:
    4,957
    Likes Received:
    613
    it is just a matter of time that mailand CHina replace Taiwan as NO.1 semiconductor exporter
     
  9. Compersion

    Compersion Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2013
    Messages:
    1,848
    Likes Received:
    454
    Location:
    India
    How would taiwan keep that edge ... Have people with the technical take way in the right places ...

    For that ... I was reading the profile on the current mayor of Taipei city ... Wonderful story and he is a qualified chap surgeon even with good mainland links and he would make a great president of PRC (if that is allow) if not Taiwan president (if not allow to be PRC president - focus on PRC politician choice ). Lovely chap like to see such people do well in politics and he is a Chinese
     
  10. tarunraju

    tarunraju Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2009
    Messages:
    5,316
    Likes Received:
    3,888
    Location:
    Hyderabad
    I've been to TSMC (fab 2) on company invite. I think they were doing 65 nm bulk SOI on that node.
     
  11. badguy2000

    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Messages:
    4,957
    Likes Received:
    613
    the guy is not a qualiifed politican,but a popular election star....

    the guys in power usually can be catagaried into two types :
    one is politicians,such as Deng Xiaoping,Lee kuan yew, Roosevelt,who can drive their country advance in a right direction.

    the other is popular election star such as Obama and the Taibei mayor,who is popular just because they are as charmful as movie star,but they usually can not leave any good hertage for their country.;
     
  12. prahladh

    prahladh Respected Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2009
    Messages:
    864
    Likes Received:
    144
    Location:
    Universal Citizen
    EUV is nowhere near, that's why we have to deal with multipatterning in 10 and below
     
    Rowdy likes this.
  13. Compersion

    Compersion Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2013
    Messages:
    1,848
    Likes Received:
    454
    Location:
    India
    i am sure that you would have voted for him if you had the chance!! what a wonderful background and dont be shy that he is a chinese!! he is a chinese politician elected by chinese people!! he has capability to make taiwan a leading economy because he has reason and ability.

    can i ask can he be a leader of PRC ? can he become president of PRC? why not!!

    seriously a chinese person who got elected and people voted him because they liked what he represent and his background. taiwan is not a backward area apparently. he will not be corruptible easily !!

    what a wonderful story and ideal political background. he is the type PRC needs and he is the type that does well. For all the Deng Xiaoping,Lee kuan yew, Roosevelt and Obama and this guy you will see each of them are different.

    We all know how Deng Xiaoping survived the purge and later rose to become the leader of PRC after Mao. There was a critical person and he died on 8 January 1976.

    8 January 1976 was the date when the system of PRC of choosing appropriate leaders (you might label it to be right direction with proper heritage) finished. PRC dont have a Zhou Enlai and environment anymore and that Deng Xiaoping for all this achievements did not have the intuition like Zhou Enlai did and that is evident by the leadership system in place now (and with all the purging and Jiang Zemin disgrace being played out).

    For all the economic achievements that PRC has managed the frailness and fragile nature is still underpinning its progression.

    This guy who is the mayor of Taipei is going to have a lot of support to do well.

    Imagine him being more popular to all the leaders in PRC. Even Hong Kong and Macau the PRC will able to control popularity of leaders by making them bend and make them suffer when they want (who knows in the future - i mean wanting them be more popular and also to the other extent). But taiwan has no such limitations.

    You mention Lee kuan yew he was a chinese. His son is also a chinese:

    http://www.mfa.gov.sg/content/mfa/o...ress_statements/2004/200407/press_200407.html

    Love it. Chinese DEMOCRATIC politics is brilliant and intelligent!! It makes areas do well and prosper and with careful and reasonable approach like developing high tech industry. Why people think it will fail ...
     
  14. nimo_cn

    nimo_cn Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2009
    Messages:
    3,491
    Likes Received:
    592
    tsmc is one of few Taiwanese companies which still retain their competitiveness, others are struggling or fading.

    HTC, once a pioneer in the smartphone industry, was beaten down by Samsung, and now is being overtaken by mainland huawei and xiaomi.

    ASUS and Acer are left behind by mainland Lenovo.

    their best way to survive is to merge with mainland companies, otherwise they dont stand a chance.

    来自我的 HUAWEI P7-L07 上的 Tapatalk
     
  15. Compersion

    Compersion Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2013
    Messages:
    1,848
    Likes Received:
    454
    Location:
    India
    What will be the disruption of Taiwanese companies that move away from PRC ... has not been talked about because of the implied ostentatious attitude of PRC to taiwan and its belief that Taiwan will never react (there is a sense of cost and economics funny now) and look at alternatives even when pricked !! Taiwan has a economy that is not fully dependent on PRC no matter what anyone says. If PRC were to put sanctions on Taiwan it would hurt PRC more. One can have a look at the larger companies in Taiwan and notice they are in all breadths of existence.

    People dont know that Yahoo and Hon Hai Precision are a Taiwanese players and have important role in PRC and they are doing the mergers with others !!

    It is not only about phones and gadgets. (http://www.economywatch.com/companies/forbes-list/taiwan.html)
     
  16. Redhawk

    Redhawk Regular Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2014
    Messages:
    581
    Likes Received:
    255
    Location:
    Elsewhere
    Go Taiwan! I love hearing good news from the good old Republic of China on Taiwan.
     
  17. Redhawk

    Redhawk Regular Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2014
    Messages:
    581
    Likes Received:
    255
    Location:
    Elsewhere
    Now that is interesting. And it is quite true that it is not only about phones and gadgets: The Taiwanese economy and its manufacturing base are quite diverse.
     
  18. Compersion

    Compersion Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2013
    Messages:
    1,848
    Likes Received:
    454
    Location:
    India
    Taiwan is one of the most fascination areas in global affairs and how it fits into the international global framework and also how it connects to prc . one China principle is a firecracker ... And people on both sides want to control its path and both holding on to its tail (will one let go before the other)

    Taiwan elections and also hong Kong and Macau that is a five year period at least ... And current president of PRC needs to deal with it. It seems a little reactionary right now. Even japan had a long period of stagnation after economic growth. I read somewhere where a PRC army man said that USA told PRC they had it easy and took easy ride too often (implied good luck perhaps but too much pride ...)

    Taiwan military also will be talked more about (having a nuke on one side is not good for status quo) and the delicate balance of undefined peace . Can PRC invade Taiwan is it that easy ... Not at all (a lot like how prc wants everyone thinks Taiwan economy and people is useless). Taiwan controls kinmen, wuqui and matsu right next to mainland (look at map not big taiwan island) what happens if it has more because of some reason ...

    Also

    Why doesn't mainland have a offer to taiwan where they sell some large land like a whole province of PRC in perpetuality and where taiwan can manage and administer business according to Taiwan laws and customs. Merger and acquisition ?? Taiwan military needs to have a reason and perhaps prc is giving reasons ...

    No doubt it is a fact that PRC has made many people rise above poverty. That is good. One must not take away from past glory.

    But reading and analysing recent events of PRC make many wonder if communist party were responsible was it external reasons ...

    Everyone did well from 1990 onwards in east Asia ... Some did better but who

    Taiwan elections coming up and in a subliminal way it is a referendum on PRC

    PRC will be present in the elections but how is the question ...

    Taiwan elections ... And it is not the first time they are having it

    Kinmen , Wuqui and matsu are the small areas and within short distance of prc. That might become action pack more closer to elections ...

    Line of control ... Of China
     
    Redhawk likes this.
  19. Redhawk

    Redhawk Regular Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2014
    Messages:
    581
    Likes Received:
    255
    Location:
    Elsewhere
    You bet it is! The matter of Communist China is an ever-present issue in elections held in the R.O.C. on Taiwan. The C.C.P.'s constant threats against the people of Taiwan make it so.
     
  20. Compersion

    Compersion Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2013
    Messages:
    1,848
    Likes Received:
    454
    Location:
    India
    Twelve long-range 203 mm (8-inch) M115 howitzer artillery pieces and numerous 155 mm howitzers were transferred from U.S. Marine Corps to the Army of the ROC. These were sent west to Kinmen Island to gain superiority in the artillery duel back and forth over the straits there. The impact of these powerful (but conventional) artillery pieces led some members of the PLA to believe that American artillerymen had begun to use nuclear weapons against them.[2][3][4]

    Soon, the Soviet Union dispatched its foreign minister, Andrei Gromyko, to Beijing to discuss the actions of the PLA and the Red Chinese Air Force, with advice of caution to the Red Chinese.

    On September 22, 1958, the Sidewinder missile was used for the first time in air-to-air combat as 32 Nationalist Chinese F-86s clashed with 100 Red Chinese MiGs in a series of aerial engagements. Numerous MiGs were shot down by Sidewinders, the first "kills" to be scored by air-to-air missiles in combat.

    Soon, the PRC was faced with a stalemate, the PLA's artillerymen had run out of artillery shells.[citation needed] The Red Chinese government announced a large decrease in bombardment levels on October 6.

    (Not what PRC would like everyone to believe but Taiwan military is not weak - not one way like everyone thinks)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Taiwan_Strait_Crisis

    Also the funny thing is a lot like 1962 with India if you ask PRC why and who start it first ...

    And Cuban missile crisis and 1960 usa elections (Taiwan debates) what a difference and timing

    Does USA still have a mutual defense treaty with taiwan ... Taiwan is fascinating topic
     
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2015
    Redhawk likes this.
  21. Redhawk

    Redhawk Regular Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2014
    Messages:
    581
    Likes Received:
    255
    Location:
    Elsewhere
    Once more, this is interesting. Taiwan would certainly give Communist China a run for its money militarily if a conventional, non-nuclear war ever erupted.
     

Share This Page