Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by bhramos, May 15, 2013.
Interesting ,Isnt this a 2010 report by Suman Sharma ?
Aircraft deals with 'friend' Russia costing dear - India - DNA
the reason for cost escalation for the Su-30MKI's is airframe to be modified to include reconfigured air intakes and internal weapons stowage in the underbelly. Both upgrade proposals are essentially selective applications of technologies now being developed for the PAK-FA and PMF/FGFA. The stealthy Su-30MKI has been designed for specifically for two tasks: retaining the edge in beyond-visual-range air combat despite the availability of hostile AEW & C capabilities; and the destruction of hostile ground-based air-defence networks/systems. However, for these two tasks to be executed, one requires a new generation of long-range multi-mode BVRAAMs (like the Meteor) and standoff PGMs (both anti-radiation missiles & small-diameter loitering PGMs equipped with tri-mode seekers). Development of these two types of weapons within Russia has fallen behind schedule, but will likely be available by 2016. Only by then will the stealthy Su-30MKI option be seriously looked at by the IAF. At the moment, though, the Boeing F-15SE has the upper hand as it is being made available for immediate export.
Wouldn't that include approx 95% reduction in RCS? How do you make an airframe with a RCS of a football field stealthy?
It's nonsense. The 42 MKIs also came at $40Million each. The total cost was around $1.6Billion for all 42. Costs of upgrades are entirely different.
The $4.3 Billion includes cost of 42 MKIs, 75 Mi-8s (1.3 Billion) and tool costs (800 Million) for license production. The remaining for something that's not been revealed, or probably the costs for tools is 1.4 Billion and not 800 Million.
P2P Russians must be happy with you man................:thumb:
Jokes a part, defence is big business and big cash at play.
stealthy i mean reduction of RCS i never talked about any percentage like you mentioned i really don't meant it will disappear like a ghost on the radar screens second we don't know whats happening behind the screens, just quote what i read from various web sites.
When an aircraft is in the design stages, we attempt to satisfy as much aerodynamic requirements as possible in the theoretical realm. Then inevitably we run into 'real world' demands such as material limitations, air density due to altitude, maintenance issues, etc, and the list is considerable. Once the design is finished, meaning approved for production, any changes to its basic design runs the risk of compromising aerodynamics and possibly rendering the modified design unflyable.
With the advent of RCS controls through shaping, the risk of making a currently flying aircraft unflyable is even greater because aerodynamic forces and radar signals affect the same place: the outer surface of the aircraft. Altering this area to benefit one desire can mean disaster for what is established. All we have to do is look at the F-15's and F-16's conformal fuel tanks and see evident of this risk. Those CFTs are not shaped on a whim. Their shapes are the result of long wind tunnel analysis that balances all competing desires: aerodynamics, capacity, and maintenance. Not even taking into RCS reduction consideration.
So is it possible to reduce the Su-30's RCS? Absolutely. The issue is how much and at what expense. I would caution everyone not to take seriously any claim by anyone Unless we see something.
Well , in a time honored tradition , it is only fair for the indian tax payer money to be used in the development of weapon systems of foreign manufacturers , while draining home grown defence projects.
Russia s milking more money from India and the delivery of the items are way to late than the original date of delivery. i think they purposely doing to bring down the Indian Defence........
Shame on them to do so..........
Such bullshit reports are propaganda reports.
true as u stated, each super MKI will cost around 60million each which far cheaper than other fighters of same generation but will always remain inferior to our MKI only because our pilots are best!!
I only follow the path of truth and enlightenment.
It is too early to put a figure on the upgrade costs. There are only speculations as of today.
Russia is to put up for sale a batch of 18 Sukhoi Su-30 multirole fighter aircraft, rejected by India on concerns about their engines and returned to Russia in 2003, a defense official said on Wednesday.
"The 18 Su-30s previously used by India and then returned, are in an aviation repair plant in Belarus and are on sale to potential buyers," said Alexander Fomin, deputy director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation. He added that the aircraft could be modernized before being sold on.
The Su-30MKI is India's lead fighter aircraft, and around 140 have been produced under license by HAL Aeronautics in India. The Indian Air Force is expected to buy a total of around 280 during the next decade.
Development of the Su-30 began in the 1980s for the Soviet Armed Forces, based on the Su-27UB conversion trainer.
The first batch of 18 Su-30s delivered to India were Su-30MK and Su-30K standard, and were built to a lower specification than the later Su-30MKI. This meant that they did not have thrust-vectoring engine nozzles or canard foreplanes, enabling extra maneuverability.
Their avionics systems were also built to a lower specification than the later Su-30MKIs built by HAL, which included a high level of Israeli and French-built systems.
Russia to Sell Off 18 'Indian' Su-30 Fighters | Defense | RIA Novosti
What happened to journalistic ethics? Before publishing such a story, journalists are supposed to contact the "accused" and ask them their side of the story. There has been no mention in the report of the journalist even trying to do this.
This is yellow journalism at its worst. Maybe the media sector needs stiffer regulation including introduction of licensing requirements and suspension of licenses and criminal penalties for misconduct.
But it would not add to sensational effect if they did so. I have read so many of them.
Most of the defence reporting in India falls into this class, all spurious , if you take into account most of the media sob story report on ARJUN or Tejas being carried on national newspapers read by millions, it is mostly paid news or some bollywood reporter moonlighting as defence journos. The first principle of their reporting is never to interview the official side and present a balanced report. This is what separates yellow journalism from true journalism.Only a very few guys do the interview with officials and balance it with neutral true experts on the field, not peddling their own prejudice like lost databases and so on,,,,,
But most our national broadsheets never care.
People following truth and enlightenment on spurious reports on Sukhoi can also do well to adapt the same principles before spewing venom on indigenous projects like Tejas and Arjun .
On which date this report was published? as it says about the F-16s and EFT-2000 competing for a deal with IAF.
Why does it require more tooling? HAL already has the assembly line and it isn't adding another one. It is shear price escalation. Russia is no longer cutting India breaks on prices and sending it to real world profit/cost margins. This was the case in Gorshkov and every deal hence.
Tools are not part of the contract. They need to be bought separately. It is part of the industrial aspects of the contract. It is $40 Million for an aircraft and extra for the tools. This has been the case since the 50s.
Seriously are we discussing a 2010 report now?
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