Sukhoi PAK FA

[NSG_Blackcats]

PAK-FA program​

Background: Russia’s economic woes delayed progression of Russia’s 5th Generation fighter aircraft until the late 2000’s, with the first prototype of the next generation PAK-FA fighter not flying until January 2010. PAK-FA is the program name and stands for “Perspektivny Aviatsionny Kompleks Frontovoy Aviatsii” (Future aviation complex - frontline aircraft) and the actual aircraft will likely get a regular Su- designation and NATO reporting name. Contrary to many speculations, the T-50 prototype designation does not automatically make it the Su-50 in service. Sukhoi normally reserves even numbered designations for strike aircraft. If I was a betting person I’d wager the in-service designation will be Su-41. The NATO reporting name is also subject to much speculation, with “Firefox” being a popular choice. Firefox was of course the name attributed to the fictional Soviet “MiG-31 Firefox” super-fighter of the 1982 box-office blooper of the same name.

If air combat was won on looks, the sleek Sukhoi PAK-FA would be the undeniable king of the modern battlefield. Aesthetically often compared to the universally popular Northrop YF-23 Black Widow (which lost to the YF-22 to become USAF’s 5th generation stealth fighter), the Sukhoi is both elegant and menacing at the same time. The PAK-FA has been hyped for several years and the recently unveiled the prototype has exceeded expectations in many corners and increased speculative comparisons to F-22 and F-35.

The T-50 has a generally conventional layout with tailplanes, but additionally moving LERX above the engine intakes. The tail fins are unusually small, and all-moving. The engines are mounted far apart, optimizing the impact of the 3D thrust vectoring control, and allowing for two large weapons bays mounted in tandem between them.

Unknowns: At the time of writing, speculation is rampant regarding obvious features such as the size, stealth, weapons and avionics. In some dark corners of the internet this debate extends to the exact manner of main undercarriage stowage, and the manner of hiding the engine turbines from radar waves entering the engine inlets. To my amateur eye, the popular size estimate of 22m in length is somewhat too long; I suspect that overall dimensions are approximately as per F-22.

From certain angles the T-50 looks considerably smaller than the Flanker, although the internal volume is probably closer than it may first appear as T-50 has a more compact layout.

Planeman's artist’s impression of an in-service PAK-FA. The only noticeable differences to the T-50 prototype are the lack of external framing in the canopy, and the covering of the T-50’s exposed metal engine shroud to allow RAM paint over this part. The above illustration is generally compatible with Saturn’s artist’s concept.

At this time it seems likely that here are three airframes, one being a static test unit. It is not clear if both of the others are flying, but at least one has received a RuAF style splinter camouflage scheme and non-standard Russian Star emblem on the tail (note that it is not the now-standard and generally unpopular tri-color star of the RuAF).

Source - PlaneMan's Blog

 

[NSG_Blackcats]

Comparison: Raptor killer? (PAK-FA Vs F-22)​

It has been suggested that for the PAK-FA to be successful it does not need to exceed the F-22, merely come close enough to shift popular perception of the F-22’s unrivaled dominance of the 5th Generation stage. There will always be die-hard proponents of both planes and any definitive analysis is certainly premature. The following observations should be taken within the context of amateur analysis based on scant reliable information. I think it makes little sense to dive into details, any meaningful comparison must remain high-level.

Stealth: There can be no serious doubt that the PAK-FA is a stealth aircraft; stealth shaping is a compromise and the T-50 clearly shows design decisions which make no sense if stealth was not the aim. Frontal aspect stealth is likely very good. The rear of the engine nacelles has more questionable stealth however and suggests a focus on frontal aspect stealth with rear aspect-stealth clearly being a feature but less-so than F-22. Alternatively the engine nacelles may be remodeled when the production standard engine is introduced (the prototype likely flew with interim Saturn 117S engines to reduce risk). PAK-FA clearly uses shaping to deflect radar waves, and presumably will be painted in a RAM paint. It may also employ ‘Plasma stealth’, particularly within radomes. Although the cockpit canopy is sloped as per the F-22s (ie not ‘bubble’), it is not clear if it is radar reflecting like the F-22’s, and does not have the brown tinge of gold-lined cockpits. Radomes and cockpit canopies are said to be amongst the most difficult parts of an aircraft to make stealthy and it may be that this technology is proving more difficult to develop.

Both aircraft are credited with super-cruise, the ability to fly at supersonic speeds without using afterburner, and thus increasing range and reducing heat signatures compared to other fighters at equivalent speeds.

Air-Air Weapons: Russia has unveiled the RVV-SD missile, an updated version of the AA-12 Adder missile with folding fins, as the main missile of the aircraft. Although the PAK-FA’s weapons bays can likely carry larger missiles, they are probably not large enough for the massive KS-172 (RVV-L) weapon which has an expected range of about 400km. Reports indicate that this missile, or one with similar performamce, can be carried externally. The ramjet powered version of the AA-12 Adder promoted in the 1990s seems to have been dropped. The RVV-SD is likely a good match for the latest AMRAAM variants, though both may be eclipsed by the ramjet powered long range Meteor missile which will be fielded on ‘Eurocanards’ like the Gripen and Typhoon by the time PAK-FA enters service.

The above comparison with the F-22 shows the larger main weapons bays of the PAK-FA (red). The F-22 can carry 6 AMRAAM missiles in the main bay. Reports indicate that the PAK-FA can carry 8 equivalent AA-12 (RVV-SD) missiles, giving it a 2 missile advantage. The side bays (orange) are of similar capacity with both aircraft carrying just one short-range missile per bay. For the PAK-FA the two smaller weapons bays are probably for the RVV-MD version of the AA-11 Archer short range missile. The RVV-MD is probably capable of rear-firing, a unique feature whereby the missile flips immediately after launch and flies at a target behind the plane. AA-12s with this feature have been tested and are possibly operational within the Flanker community.

The F-22 is currently equipped with relatively outdated AIM-9 variants, and lacking a helmet mounted sight for off-boresight targeting. This is likely to be rectified before the PAK-FA enters full scale service and so F-22 and PAK-FA will likely be closely match in this technology.

Both aircraft are equipped with a single cannon; 20mm Vulcan for the F-22 and probably a Gsh-30-1 (as per the Flanker) for the PAK-FA. Many reports suggest that PAK-FA will have two cannons but this seems unlikely and the T-50 prototype appears to only have one gun port, situated on the starboard forward fuselage.

Air-Ground role: The F-22 started life as a straightforward air superiority fighter (later rebranded “Air Dominance”) but has been evolved to carry a potent strike capability. Part of the drive towards the multirole capability was the conspicuous absence of a credible “5th Generation” air threat from the Russian side. The F-22 was conceived in the 1980s against the background of the cold war, facing off to a generation of Soviet fighters which never came. For a while the F-22 looked somewhat spare and a strike capability was added, made possible by US advances in GPS weaponry. The F-22’s internal weapons bays were not large enough for substantial loads so special smaller-diameter bombs have been developed. The F-22’s air-ground weapons load is modest to say the least, but its ability to deliver them to the target seems unrivalled and more than makes up for this deficiency.

The PAK-FA too is reportedly a multi-role design. The internal weapons bays appear larger than on F-22, but are of unconfirmed depth and may not be capable of carrying many of the weapons speculated. Various Kh-31 (AS-17 Krypton) family supersonic missiles seem plausible albeit on the large side, as do satellite guided bombs and KAB-500 series bombs. The weapons bays are about 5m long.

A folding fin version of the Kh-58 ‘Kilter’ anti-radiation missile has been shown and this seems a reasonable fit, though may be more relevant to the MiG SKAT UCAV program rather than the PAK-FA.

Avionics: The PAK-FA has several features of particular interest here. In the nose there is likely to be active electronically scanned array radar (AESA) as per F-22. This may actually have additional mechanical steering, although that would add weight. What’s virtually unique to the PAK-FA however is rear-facing radar in the tail. This too may be AESA and could simply be an additional array for the nose-mounted radar, or possibly a completely separate set. The PAK-FA therefore has true 360 degree coverage. Additionally the PAK-FA is thought to have L-Band radars mounted in the wing leading edges. These would have both passive and active emitting roles and may be the key to ‘seeing’ stealth aircraft such as the F-22. Alternatively these may be located in the wing LERX sides – the exact location is subject to some speculation. The F-22’s stealth is generally optimized against X-band radars as that is what fighters generally use – L-Band is a much longer wavelength and can more easily detect stealth aircraft but is also less accurate -hence X-band radars are still used for routine intercept and virtually all fighters use X-Band.

There is serious doubt of Russia’s ability to mass produce key computer components such as micro processors. This may prove a deployment bottleneck, or Western off-the-shelf processors may be used. Russia has proven capability to produce Phased array radars, datalinks etc and may attempt to sidestep technological deficiencies.

Unlike the F-22 the PAK-FA will feature an IRST optical/IR search and tracking system. The decision not to fit an IRST to the F-22 may be reconsidered to rectify this gap. IRST promises to be the best way to target stealth aircraft since regardless of the IR stealth claims made of the F-22, jet engines are fundamentally not conducive to IR invisibility. The trail of hot air behind the F-22 is likely the first thing the PAK-FA may see, perhaps as far as 25km.

Sukhoi’s recent demonstration cockpit mock-ups, which may relate to both Su-35 or PAK-FA, suggest two very large multi-function-displays (MFDs) and a very wide Head-up-display (HUD). The T-50-1’s cockpit clearly has the massive HUD. If this mock-up cockpit is essentially similar to PAK-FA’s, then compared to the F-22 the PAK-FA’s will take advantage of advancing technologies of past decade and be relatively more advanced than F-22s. The F-22 has 4 large and two small MFDs and a large HUD, but PAK-FA’s two displays are much larger still and the HUD even bigger:

Dogfighting: The F-22 is exceptionally maneuverable, but comparatively less dogfight optimized compared to the PAK-FA which has 3D thrust vectoring and moving LERX. This seems in line with Russian doctrine still influenced by the Syrian experiences over the Baka Valley in 1981 where Soviet supplied fighters were decimated by the Israeli air force in close combat. It seems probable that the PAK-FA is more maneuverable, but the F-22 may have speed-bleed/regain advantages.

The F-22 has larger wing leading-edge flaps and larger tail planes. The PAK-FA’s tail fins are smaller but all-moving and the 3D TVC allows the engines to be used both laterally and horizontally unlike the F-22 which relies on massive tail fins for lateral stability and yaw control.

Source - Planeman's Military Analysis

 

[Anshu Attri]

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=defense&id=news/awst/2010/03/08/AW_03_08_2010_p34-209244.xml&headline=More%20Sukhoi%20T-50s%20To%20Fly%20In%20Next%2012%20Months

More Sukhoi T-50s To Fly In Next 12 Months

Sukhoi intends to add three more T-50 development aircraft to the test program within the next 12 months, with further details of Russia’s next-generation fighter leaking out from a high-level gathering here.

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin held a cabinet meeting last week on developing the aerospace and defense industry at Sukhoi’s Moscow headquarters. Putin was also shown the T-50-0 static test rig airframe along with a cockpit simulator for Russia’s fifth-generation fighter.

Putin and Sukhoi’s chief, Mikhail Pogosyan, maintain that the T-50 should be ready to enter service with the Russian air force during 2015, to meet its PAK FA fighter requirement. Putin says, however, that “before the jet goes into serial production, it should complete more than 2,000 test flights.”

Given what is already an highly demanding schedule, Pogosyan is quoted in the Russian press as saying: “By the end of 2010 or in early 2011, we must add three more prototypes to the test-flight program.”

Sukhoi executives suggest the second prototype will likely enter testing this year, while the third and fourth prototypes will appear in 2011. The first two will not be fitted with radar or weapon control systems, and will be used primarily for flight performances and major systems evaluations.

Sukhoi designers are trying to compress the T-50 development through the extensive use of specialized system-integration test benches. The development of previous aircraft types was supported with the use of “iron bird” rigs for complex flight control system checks and an “electronic bird” for the avionics package testing, coupled with stationary engineering simulators used for “man-machine” interface development.

For the T-50, in addition to these tools, Sukhoi seems to have built an additional prototype not intended for flights—the so-called T-50-KNS. This airframe is fitted with operational systems, equipment and engines.

Sukhoi’s production facility in Komsomolsk has used the T-50-KNS for checking the use of new manufacturing technologies, while designers were able to examine all wiring, ducting, equipment and engine installation within the actual dimensions of the aircraft. The T-50-KNS and other test-bench checks ensured the initial flights of the T-50-1 prototype. Pogosyan says a 24-deg. angle of attack was reached on the T-50-1 after only three flights.

The company’s T-50 chief designer, Alexander Davidenko, says almost 70% of the outer surface— 25% of the aircraft’s empty weight—consists of composites . Introduction of the materials allowed the number of structural parts to be cut four-fold compared with the Su-27 Flanker.

As for the cockpit, Davidenko notes that the aircraft’s avionics use smart digital systems to reduce pilot workload in terms of flying and combat operations.
The T-50’s digital flight control system is around 30% lighter than the Su-27’s and can reconfigure in case of failure or combat damage, says Pogosyan.

The T-50 will be tested and enter air force service, with the engine being used for the “first phase of development.” The engine is already installed in the prototype, says Pogosyan. “This is a completely new engine,” he contends, “developed especially for this aircraft. It has a modern design, which is able to ensure the T-50’s long-term operation.” A completely new powerplant could be developed in the next 10-12 years, he adds.

In April, the T-50 flight-test program likely will shift to the Gromov Flight Test Research Institute in Zhukovsky, near Moscow, according to company executives.

The T-50 development is being viewed by the government as a confirmation of the industry’s ability to meet the military’s future equipment needs and to revamp its present inventory.

In 2008, Moscow began to increase procurement of combat aircraft and systems, in an attempt to roll back more than a decade of neglect and stagnation. Contracts to supply the air force with 130 combat aircraft were signed in 2008 and 2009. In 2010, 27 aircraft, more than 50 helicopters and five S-400 missile system divisions will be purchased for the army.

The nation’s armament program calls for the delivery of more than 1,500 aircraft and helicopters and about 200 air defense systems through 2020. At least 80% of the air force procurement and 75% of the air defense systems will be new hardware.

Discussing industry priorities, Putin stresses that the sector had received substantial support from the government and should now concentrate on efficiency. It must fulfill its obligations in terms of deliveries and weapon-cost parameters.

Putin also reinforced Russian ambitions to develop a next-generation strategic strike aircraft—the PAK DA—as well as a next-generation surface-to-air missile system.

 

[Anshu Attri]

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=35975

Global Warming, New Cold War, Take Your Pick

Global warming doesn’t seem to be staving off a new Cold War. In fact, if you have to choose between fact and fiction -- or between Al Gore and buying more F-22 fighters --your money is safer if you bet on a new Cold War.

We may be in a new one -- with the Chinese -- but Vladimir Putin’s Russia seems eager to revive the old one.

In January of this year Russia announced the first flight of its brand spanking new fifth generation fighter. This revelation coming close on the heels of the U.S. decision not to produce any more than 187 F-22s of its fifth general fighter. The Sukhoi T-50 or PAK FA as it is also known is reputed to be the peer competitor of the F-22 or F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

Not two months have gone by since the T-50 first flight and Vladimir Putin is encouraging Russia to develop the next Russian bomber. Reuters reports Putin saying, “Certainly we should not confine ourselves to developing just one new model. After the fifth-generation fighter, we must think and get down to work on the next-generation, long-range aviation complex -- our new strategic missile carrier.” He said, “Long-range aviation complex, strategic missile carrier” by the way, translates into strategic nuclear bomber.


Is it possible that these recent declarations of Russia’s intention to pursue new 21st Century military strike aircraft might herald what may be a new arms race, the harbinger of, could it be, a new “cold war.”

You may remember that back in 2007 Putin ordered the resumption of long-range patrols by the existing Soviet era bomber fleet of Tupolev TU-95s “Bear,” TU-14s “Badger” and the TU-160s “Blackjack” bombers. (I can’t explain why when we were doing so well with the scary forest animals,, without warning the card game got in there.) Anyway, during the nearly four decades from the 1950s to the fall of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s, the Sovs routinely flew their bombers close to the United States’ territorial limits and from bases in the Soviet Union to Cuba just skirting the U.S. territorial waters. It was not uncommon for the Air Force to publish photos from our interceptor aircraft of Soviet bomber crews taking pictures of us taking pictures of them. So, the new direction from Putin to resume the bomber patrol missions is real Cold War-like.

Another Cold War foe (although more faux foe than real foe at the time) China, according to Chris Buckley of Reuters, has made very public noises that this number-one-world-power wannabe and Soviet Union cold war ally “should build the world’s strongest military and move swiftly to topple the United States as the global ‘champion.’” Senior Colonel Liu Mingfu author of a recently released book in China, “The China Dream” doesn’t pull any punches in encouraging his country to shed modesty and displace the United States “as the top power.”

Maybe Colonel Liu doesn’t have the cold war eloquence of Nikita Khrushchev who told a gathering at the Polish Embassy in Moscow November 18, 1956 referring to the United States, “We will bury you.” But what he did say has all the trappings of cold war rhetoric.

You won’t find Colonel Liu’s “The China Dream” on Amazon. And, it’s unlikely that Colonel Liu’s book will displace anytime soon Mark Halperin’s "Game Change" on the New York Times best seller list. However, the fact that the Chinese government, not known for its openness to views contrary to official government positions would allow Colonel Liu such latitude may be a message to the West.

The official Cold War spanned the years 1945 to 1991. So, are we on the cusp of new cold war? Do we face a contemporary cold war where deterrence is the military maneuver strategy of choice? Are we looking at another conflict of competing industries turning out ever more sophisticated and complex weaponry? Will we see an spate of updated apocalyptic movies like “Fail-Safe” and “Dr. Strangelove”?

If so, I say bring it on. In the Cold War we knew who the enemy was. We knew where we stood. The competition for more and better weapons actually motivated us to build… well, more and better weapons. Would we have cancelled the F-22 if it had been our front line fighter during the cold war? I think not. During the 1950s and 1960s, people built bomb shelters that were later turned into wine cellars. I don’t think we have enough wine cellars. In fact we may have a “wine cellar gap.” We had terms like nuclear freeze and nuclear winter. Brrrrrrrr. We needed really warm clothes just to talk about the Cold Wwar.

The Cold War gave us Sputnik and the space race that prompted the Eisenhower Administration to encourage Congress to pass the National Defense Education Act (NDEA) of 1958. Suddenly, during the 1960s we were awash in scientists and engineers, a lot of engineers. Sure, a few English majors, poets and philosophers got in the NDEA act, but that to be expected with any government program. The Cold War gave energy to our activities in space and before you knew it we were landing on the moon.

If the realization that we may be in another cold war, motivated the U.S. government to provide incentives to U. S. students to enter the science and technology disciplines, that would be a good thing. We might get a philosophy or poetry major throwing in here and there, but it might be the price we pay for meeting the new cold war challenges with a new group of well educated scientists and engineers. We might just need to build more and better weapons and warfighting equipment to win again.

As I look back on the Cold War era and the real fear of a nuclear conflict, missing was the specter of a questionable cataclysmic event that seems to be on the minds of some today. The one notion that you didn’t hear about, or read about, or see on TV during the cold war was “Global Warming.” Could it be that one cold war trumps one warm globe? Of course Al Gore wasn’t around then, either.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE62B2YG20100312?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=11700

Russia to make 1,000 stealth jets, eyes India deal



NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Russia will build more than 1,000 stealth fighter jets within four decades, including at least 200 for its traditional weapons buyer India, the head of plane maker Sukhoi said on Friday.

Sukhoi test-flew its long-delayed fifth-generation fighter at the end of January, and Moscow said it would be able to compete with its U.S. F-22 Raptor rival built more than a decade ago.

Sukhoi said last week it hoped the fighter, codenamed T-50, would be ready for use in 2015.

"If you talk about warplanes of this type, there is definitely a market for it if we produce more than 1,000 jets," Sukhoi director Mikhail Pogosyan told reporters on the sidelines of Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's visit to India.

"We have all grounds to believe that there will not be tough competition on the world market," he said.

He said Russia would produce more than 1,000 of the planes within 35 to 40 years.

After the test flight, Putin said Russia had plenty of work to do on the plane.

Analysts say Russia's plans for a joint venture with India to produce the stealth fighters will likely be watched with unease by India's uneasy neighbour Pakistan and regional rival China.

Pogosyan said an agreement on joint output of the jet with India was still in the works and did not say when a deal might be signed.

"I believe that more than 200 planes will be delivered (to India)," Pogosyan said.

"I think (Russia's) defence ministry will buy no less than this amount," he said. About 600 of the planes would be sold elsewhere, he said.

Analysts say several nations, including Libya and Vietnam, have already expressed interest in the fifth-generation fighter.

"Apart from America, the only other fifth-generation project is Russia's, while the Europeans have given up such plans," Pogosyan said.

"Probably the Chinese will try and promote such a product, but I think they face an immense amount of work to make their product competitive," he said.

(Reporting by Gleb Bryanski; Writing by Dmitry Solovyov; Editing by Paul Tait)

 

[planeman]

Hey, cool to see my blog post here.

 

[EnlightenedMonk]

Hey, cool to see my blog post here.

Where ??? Post the link...

 

[planeman]

NSG_Blackcats posted part of a web essay I did on Russian air defences which included a bit on PAK-FA. Here's the blog post http://planeman-bluffersguide.blogspot.com/2010/03/defending-mother-russia.html

 

[Agantrope]

NSG_Blackcats posted part of a web essay I did on Russian air defences which included a bit on PAK-FA. Here's the blog post http://planeman-bluffersguide.blogspot.com/2010/03/defending-mother-russia.html

Planeman, your analysis are simply superb. We are looking forward more of your contribution. Also could you throw some light on the AAM on F-22 and the PAK-FA (new weapon series). Also how the heats signature from these 2 war machines get caught in the radar.

 

[planeman]

Heat signatures don't get caught on radar I don't think, although I imagine it's theoretically possible to detect the vapor trail in the same way weather radars detect clouds (not practical though I wouldn't have thought but I'm no scientist). Heat signatures are detected by Infra red. All the talk about IR stealth seems very questionable, it's relative. Jet engines get really hot and the air kicked out the back of the jet is much much much hotter than the surrounding air so with modern IIR technology it is relatively easy to see a jet at quite some distance, more-so at the higher altitudes now employed in US doctrine I think. With super-cruise these jets won't have as great a heat signature as many other jets but far from invisible I'd say.

 

[Armand2REP]

NSG_Blackcats posted part of a web essay I did on Russian air defences which included a bit on PAK-FA. Here's the blog post http://planeman-bluffersguide.blogspot.com/2010/03/defending-mother-russia.html

I like all the work you did plotting the radius on the maps.

 

[Rage]

Sukhoi Director Mikhail Pogosyan confirms the Air Force will receive a minimum of 200 out of the 1000 PAKFA being produced within a four decade timeline.


Russia to make 200 stealth jets for India

Updated on Saturday, March 13, 2010, 16:12 IST

New Delhi : Russia will build more than 1,000 stealth fighter jets within four decades, including at least 200 for its traditional weapons buyer India, the head of plane maker Sukhoi has announced.

Sukhoi test-flew its long-delayed fifth-generation fighter at the end of January, and Moscow said it would be able to compete with its US F-22 Raptor rival built more than a decade ago.

Sukhoi said last week it hoped the fighter, codenamed T-50, would be ready for use in 2015.

"If you talk about warplanes of this type, there is definitely a market for it if we produce more than 1,000 jets," Sukhoi director Mikhail Pogosyan told reporters on the sidelines of Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's visit to India on Friday.

"We have all grounds to believe that there will not be tough competition on the world market," he said.

He said Russia would produce more than 1,000 of the planes within 35 to 40 years.

After the test flight, Putin said Russia had plenty of work to do on the plane.

Analysts say Russia's plans for a joint venture with India to produce the stealth fighters will likely be watched with unease by India's uneasy neighbour Pakistan and regional rival China.

Pogosyan said an agreement on joint output of the jet with India was still in the works and did not say when a deal might be signed.

"I believe that more than 200 planes will be delivered (to India)," Pogosyan said.

"I think (Russia's) defence ministry will buy no less than this amount," he said. About 600 of the planes would be sold elsewhere, he said.

Analysts say several nations, including Libya and Vietnam, have already expressed interest in the fifth-generation fighter.

"Apart from America, the only other fifth-generation project is Russia's, while the Europeans have given up such plans," Pogosyan said.

"Probably the Chinese will try and promote such a product, but I think they face an immense amount of work to make their product competitive," he said.

Bureau Report


http://www.zeenews.com/news610892.html

 

[Armand2REP]

You just have to love how Russia pre-forcasts sales figures over a 40 year timespan.

 

[Sridhar]

Russia to make 1,000 stealth jets, eyes India deal

BY: REUTERS
Russia will build more than 1,000 stealth fighter jets within four decades, including at least 200 for its traditional weapons buyer India, the head of plane maker Sukhoi said on Friday.
Sukhoi test-flew its long-delayed fifth-generation fighter at the end of January, and Moscow said it would be able to compete with its U.S. F-22 Raptor rival built more than a decade ago.
Sukhoi said last week it hoped the fighter, codenamed T-50, would be ready for use in 2015.
“If you talk about warplanes of this type, there is definitely a market for it if we produce more than 1,000 jets,” Sukhoi director Mikhail Pogosyan told reporters on the sidelines of Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin’s visit to India.
“We have all grounds to believe that there will not be tough competition on the world market,” he said.
He said Russia would produce more than 1,000 of the planes within 35 to 40 years.
After the test flight, Putin said Russia had plenty of work to do on the plane.
Analysts say Russia’s plans for a joint venture with India to produce the stealth fighters will likely be watched with unease by India’s uneasy neighbour Pakistan and regional rival China.
Pogosyan said an agreement on joint output of the jet with India was still in the works and did not say when a deal might be signed.
“I believe that more than 200 planes will be delivered (to India),” Pogosyan said.
“I think (Russia’s) defence ministry will buy no less than this amount,” he said. About 600 of the planes would be sold elsewhere, he said.
Analysts say several nations, including Libya and Vietnam, have already expressed interest in the fifth-generation fighter.
“Apart from America, the only other fifth-generation project is Russia’s, while the Europeans have given up such plans,” Pogosyan said.
“Probably the Chinese will try and promote such a product, but I think they face an immense amount of work to make their product competitive,” he said.


http://idrw.org/?p=860

 

[gogbot]

You just have to love how Russia pre-forcasts sales figures over a 40 year timespan.

It signifies a challenge to the America's 4000+ F-35 orders.

 

[Armand2REP]

India dragging feet on signing PAK FA agreement

On the eve of the visit of the Prime Minister of Russia Vladimir Putin in New Delhi in Russia's government reported that an agreement on joint production with the Indians fifth-generation fighter T-50 is unlikely to be achieved within the framework of the visit, although even in late February, the agreement announced. The delegation accompanying Putin on and Mikhail Pogosyan, general director of Sukhoi Design Bureau, created the T-50. About how, in what time frame can now be concluded a deal with India, with Mikhail Pogosyan talks columnist GZT.RU Yuri Zainashev.

Why is agreement on a fighter is postponed, Michael Aslanovich? The differences relate to money or performance?

There is no disagreement on this issue with our Indian partners do not exist. The only question that we are ready to move faster, and our Indian colleagues need some more time. These talks, which are waging since the beginning of last year, I think we will finish within a few months. In general, there are many questions, but they relate only to how we move forward in implementing this program.

http://vpk.name/news/37451_direktor...ndii_250_istrebitelei_pyatogo_pokoleniya.html

 

[gogbot]

India dragging feet on signing PAK FA agreement

On the eve of the visit of the Prime Minister of Russia Vladimir Putin in New Delhi in Russia's government reported that an agreement on joint production with the Indians fifth-generation fighter T-50 is unlikely to be achieved within the framework of the visit, although even in late February, the agreement announced. The delegation accompanying Putin on and Mikhail Pogosyan, general director of Sukhoi Design Bureau, created the T-50. About how, in what time frame can now be concluded a deal with India, with Mikhail Pogosyan talks columnist GZT.RU Yuri Zainashev.

Why is agreement on a fighter is postponed, Michael Aslanovich? The differences relate to money or performance?

There is no disagreement on this issue with our Indian partners do not exist. The only question that we are ready to move faster, and our Indian colleagues need some more time. These talks, which are waging since the beginning of last year, I think we will finish within a few months. In general, there are many questions, but they relate only to how we move forward in implementing this program.

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It'll happen.

They can only take so much time to sign an agreement.

 

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So they painted it and its not with the RAM coating, nor have they finished smoothing the edges. Which protoype do they plan on using for radar testing? It sure isn't this one.

 

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So they painted it and its not with the RAM coating, nor have they finished smoothing the edges. Which protoype do they plan on using for radar testing? It sure isn't this one.

This is not the only Prototype flying around, is it?