Sukhoi PAK FA

[Project Dharma]

dual citizenship is not allowed according to Indian constitution , you can either be an American citizen or an Indian citizen But not Both .

True but Indian refers to ethnicity and American refers to citizenship in the same way as African American and Chinese American.

 

[airtel]

Well my friend, I hate to disappoint you. First, Russian engines are always underpowered that is why they put two engines in every fighter jet. Second, they have so few aircraft technologies that they simply cannot share any with India. If they do, they will not have anything left to sell to India in the future. Third, India is already in bed with GE engines. GE or Pratt Whitney will be able to build with Indis specialized fighter jet engines that China, Russia, and Pakistan can not get. Fourth, India is also looking at other military technologies like Aircraft carrier etc. from the United States. SO why not F-16 and F-35.

you Mean India should now buy every weapon From USA ?? because USA is the Best ??

Well my friend, that is very short sighted, J-20 may not be what China purports it to be. But knowing the Chinese I know in a few years they will come up with J-40 that will be real stealth. India will always be a Junior power in Asia with your kind of mentality. More precisely, a junior Asian power subservient to Kremlin.

you Mean Indians should change their mentality & now become subservient to pentagon ??

 

[airtel]

True but Indian refers to ethnicity and American refers to citizenship in the same way as African American and Chinese American.

i dont think he is NRI or PIO , he is behaving like Propaganda Machine of American Arms dealers .....................just look at his comments in each & every thread .


there are Many NRI & PIO members ..............they dont behave like Him .

 

[su35]

Your issue is that you don't like USA and favor Russia. I won't argue about international politics and babble about Syria/UAE etc. etc. That is a separate issue. I like India and I believe India should buy US arms and equip appropriately. Tejas has much in common with US fighter jets like its engine. What Lockheed and Boeing are offering India are beyond any offer India received from Russia or France.

You are babbling about Russia, can you get Russia to build a factory in India to build Su35 with Indian workers and make it an international base for export? I will like that. You talk about FGFA and great T-50. Russia stiffed India. It took $295 million and did not even give India a chance to test-fly it. Now it wants Five billion dollars to R&D to make it a two seater which is total nonsense. Russia is simply bilking India. That five billion could be better spent on building Tejas, or buying 100 F-16, or 50 F-35. I would like to see how PM Modi can explain this $5 billion dollar bogus expense to Indian people.

It is quite doubtful Russia even created a half way decent fifth gen fighter jet. T-50 could be a bogus show piece to get money from India or China. Otherwise why it will not allow IAF pilots to test fly it or bring it to India to show it. Russia wants five billion dollars to develop a fifth gen fighter jet that it does not have money for.

What are Lockheed and Boeing offering us to assist us in Tejas project

only some speculations available, how you sure about these things, ever heard offset clause

Your friend is calling all speculation and ad nothing else. How Boeing and Lockheed are helping us?

Your issue is that you love USA and think other as minorities

One think India uses not su30mki not Su 35. Tell me why we will make a factory for one that we don't even use and for which users?
Second thing Russia did assist us in building factories for su 30mki maintenance

Agreement between Russia and India about PAK FA or FGFA is not completely finalized it is still under decision making process. Do you think USA will allow us to test F 35 if we pay few crores as mark of sing MOU

Quite true five billion dollar could be spent on Tejas but I do not think with such a strong lobby from Saab and USA

IAF pilots were not allowed to test Su30 version when it came out. It was only after they declared for exports IAF was allowed to see.

Yes Yes you even thought russia could not sustain one month air campaign over Syria yet they are continuing

go and check the History, why F 16 is a proven iconic, F 16 is royal player, MiG 21 is poor men's friend

apart from Japan and Israel, no one wants the Raptor, for two reason, huge operating and Procurement cost, they didn't face such level of threat to use the F 22

Then you are telling the more cash you give USA the more better fighter you get. Yes Russia also had same intention but not to forget Mig 21 was mass produced cheap and reliable fighter of it's era.

How, Radar, air frame, engine, missiles, all of them is not same for Tejas and MKI... or else I don't know the common components in both MKI and LCA

Well that was just reply to Sam Biswas post if you have scrolled little up you could have seen is posting about tejas similar to USA fighter

And still we Indian loves green card, H1B, and loves to go USA,, not Russia

take a look of Russian supported nations ( Some Africans) and US Supported nations, (RoK, North Europe, Japan )

Mine question was about propaganda and history not why India go to USA. we could debate on that on other thread.

Since these peoples not ready to raise voice against KSA and UAE

Why can't USA just a campaign in name of bio chemical weapon like in Iraq. USA can rallies all media house they are experts on that

you're new to the game, go cry a river

Yes I am new in the game but problem in Afghanistan in 90s affected our Kashmir operation adversely

 

[su35]

Russia needs to bring a proto-type to India and let IAF test it for a month or so. Without that it is nothing but another bogus Russian claim or propaganda that Communists are very good at!

It is just like bringing akula to USA navel base so to showcase the world we protector of humanity. Why would Russia risk iteslf bringing PAK FA to IAF base know that it does not have proper infrastructure to test expect test flying

 

[su35]

I am an Indian American. Who cares what I support? I am stating that Pak-FA/T-50 is bogus Su-30 with no fifth gen or Stealth capabilities. It is all bogus Kremlin propaganda to scheme money out of India. No one outside Kremlin has seen any stealth capabilities of PAK-FA. They can't even allow India to test fly the proto type aircraft. That is a clear proof that Russian stealth fighter does NOT exist. Prove me I am wrong.

Even Russian experts are crying that USA do not have any stealth fighter. There rader can see f22, then why USAF is not providing IAF to fly f 22 prove russian world wrong.

Russian engines are always under powered that is why they put two engines in every fighter jet. Second, they have so few aircraft technologies that they simply cannot share any with India.

In the same logic F 15 and F 22 are also under powered.

According to you russian lack advance aircraft technologies and cannot build fifth generation fighter at the same time you are saying it has very few secretive tech which cannot be shared how it is possible

 

[SajeevJino]

What are Lockheed and Boeing offering us to assist us in Tejas project

Take a look at the engine in Tejas

Your friend is calling all speculation and ad nothing else. How Boeing and Lockheed are helping us?

you don't know about offset clause, go read em up, TATA building S 92 fuselage, after 2018 they build Apache fuselage

Your issue is that you love USA and think other as minorities

That's not an issue

One think India uses not su30mki not Su 35. Tell me why we will make a factory for one that we don't even use and for which users?

Go and figure out how MKI's are ordered, like batch wise,

Second thing Russia did assist us in building factories for su 30mki maintenance

thanks , that's why half of the MKI fleet sitting in ducks

Agreement between Russia and India about PAK FA or FGFA is not completely finalized it is still under decision making process. Do you think USA will allow us to test F 35 if we pay few crores as mark of sing MOU

invest money in their R&D and participate the program from scratch

IAF pilots were not allowed to test Su30 version when it came out. It was only after they declared for exports IAF was allowed to see.

that's why we sucked up, but IAF won't do the same mistake again

Yes Yes you even thought russia could not sustain one month air campaign over Syria yet they are continuing

They are suffering,

Then you are telling the more cash you give USA the more better fighter you get. Yes Russia also had same intention but not to forget Mig 21 was mass produced cheap and reliable fighter of it's era.

In Russia, money can buy anything, in USA money won't buy anything

Why can't USA just a campaign in name of bio chemical weapon like in Iraq. USA can rallies all media house they are experts on that

why saddam launched Missiles towards Israel and Saudi arabia

Yes I am new in the game but problem in Afghanistan in 90s affected our Kashmir operation adversely

Oh really, so you forget the soviet invasion isn't it

 

[su35]

Take a look at the engine in Tejas

Engine is made by GE not Lockheed or boeing i remember

you don't know about offset clause, go read em up, TATA building S 92 fuselage, after 2018 they build Apache fuselage

Are they building engine blade, are they building cockpit electronics are they are going to be assisted in making radar for Apache.

thanks , that's why half of the MKI fleet sitting in ducks

If HAL and IAF are not going to main ten Spare depots do you think F 35 could fly which need hour maintenance before each flying.

They are suffering,

how please explain

In Russia, money can buy anything, in USA money won't buy anything

You are joking aren't you?

Oh really, so you forget the soviet invasion isn't it

Do you remember USA gathering and spreading message through media that soviet invasion to destroy muslim. To gather Islamic countries against Soviet to get self satisfaction about cheap ideology Capitalistic vs socialistic

 

[SajeevJino]

Engine is made by GE not Lockheed or boeing i remember

anyway that's an American company

Are they building engine blade, are they building cockpit electronics are they are going to be assisted in making radar for Apache.

So what's net, are they building the F 22, B 2 etc

If HAL and IAF are not going to main ten Spare depots do you think F 35 could fly which need hour maintenance before each flying.

fifth gen fighters have few limitations when compared to other 4++ jets in case of sortie rate, Single engine Twin engine also have differences

how please explain

check the rouble exchange rate

You are joking aren't you?

It's true they can sell anything to anyone, if they get money, look at thier customers China, DPRK, Pakistan

Do you remember USA gathering and spreading message through media that soviet invasion to destroy muslim. To gather Islamic countries against Soviet to get self satisfaction about cheap ideology Capitalistic vs socialistic

communism not only destroys Islam, It destroys Chirstianity and Hinduism also

 

[Bahamut]

check the rouble exchange rate

Economy is more then currency rate

 

[su35]

anyway that's an American company



So what's net, are they building the F 22, B 2 etc



fifth gen fighters have few limitations when compared to other 4++ jets in case of sortie rate, Single engine Twin engine also have differences



check the rouble exchange rate


It's true they can sell anything to anyone, if they get money, look at thier customers China, DPRK, Pakistan




communism not only destroys Islam, It destroys Chirstianity and Hinduism also

Quite true even GE solely does not manufacturing engine it has lot of sub contractor which are slololy in USA so please explain what benefit we will get buying those fighter only assemble like SU 30 and Russia suffering are related to sanctions imposed by NATO not by Syria


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[sorcerer]

Russia Develops Advanced Anti-Radar Missile For 5th-Generation PAK FA Jet
Russia’s Tactical Missiles Corporation has developed an advanced anti-radar missile Kh-58UShK for the fifth-generation T-50 PAK FA (Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation) fighter jet.
Now the advanced Anti radar missile can be carried by T-50 PAK FA fighter jet, Russia Beyond The Headlines quoted Tass' report Monday.


Corporation First Deputy CEO Vladimir Yarmolyuk said, the Kh-58UShK missile has folding airfoils to be carried inside "the T-50 fighter jet, in the first place."

Simultaneously the missile can be attached to weapon stations of other planes, TASS at the 11th Airshow China 2016 exhibition said.


"This is a derivative of the Kh-58USh anti-radar missile, which was delivered in large quantities earlier," Yarmolyuk said.

"The missile’s homing head and other characteristics, in particular, the data library of radars, make it close to the Kh-31PD [AS-17 Krypton] anti-radar missile," he added.

"These missiles are mutually complementary. The advanced missile has good prospects and I believe it will be delivered for many countries," the deputy CEO said.
The Kh-58 (Kilter) is a Soviet anti-radiation missile with a range of 120 km.Its variant Kh-58UShKE is antiradar missile of suppressed fuselage and external location with wide range (A, A1, B, B1, C) passive radar homing head, navigation system and automatic control based on platform free navigation system.

The missile is designed to engage ground radar stations operating in pulse emitting mode within the bearing range from 1.2 to 11 GHs and continuous emitting mode with range A.

Moreover, it can be operated both from the advanced aircraft external suspension points equipped with target designating system and AKU-58 type aircraft ejection system as well as from suppressed fuselage suspension points (from UVKU-50 ejection).


http://www.defenseworld.net/news/17...le_For_5th_generation_PAK_FA_Jet#.WCHWQFOfeDw

 

[Sam Biswas]

Well friends, Trump won. It will be great for India!

 

[airtel]

Well friends, Trump won. It will be great for India!

thanks for posting this comment in this thread .

 

[rishivashista13]

Well friends, Trump won. It will be great for India!

Cant say . just waiting and watching ....

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[su35]

thanks for posting this comment in this thread .

Both are danger for India

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[Sam Biswas]

Lockheed managers are in India scouting for partners to build F-16 right on Indian soil. Folks, this is your chance to Make in India a state of the art fighter jet with a non-nonsense manufacturer and possibly build a fifth gen stealth fighter in a very short period of time. I believe it will be totally transparent unlike other countries India is dealing with.

 

[republic_roi97]

Lockheed managers are in India scouting for partners to build F-16 right on Indian soil. Folks, this is your chance to Make in India a state of the art fighter jet with a non-nonsense manufacturer and possibly build a fifth gen stealth fighter in a very short period of time. I believe it will be totally transparent unlike other countries India is dealing with.

There are other threads to talk about Boeing or Lockheed, we've got a separate F-16 thread, please share your "valuable" input over there.

 

[Sam Biswas]

There are other threads to talk about Boeing or Lockheed, we've got a separate F-16 thread, please share your "valuable" input over there.

Good Point! The reason I posted my statement is due to the fact that India needs fifth gen fighters like PAK-FA ASAP. India's manufacturing of its own stealth fighter will take time and it will probably take same amount of time for producing FGFA. India's best option will be an F-35 assembly line if F-16 is built by Lockheed in a factory in India. That is my only point in this post.

 

[Narasimh]

Lockheed managers are in India scouting for partners to build F-16 right on Indian soil. Folks, this is your chance to Make in India a state of the art fighter jet with a non-nonsense manufacturer and possibly build a fifth gen stealth fighter in a very short period of time. I believe it will be totally transparent unlike other countries India is dealing with.

Saab will be as professional as LM and LM is not going to be divinely more transparent than what Saab is.
F-16 is more of a medium category fighter whose tactics are well studied by our adversaries.
Gripen is light and almost same as Tejas in terms of capability.
We should not go for either of these.. instead use the money to induct private partners to manufacture LCAs.
Manufacture in large numbers of decently capable Tejas which is lot more effective than fielding just a few High end fighters.