Suitable Jaguar Replacement

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

The best replacement of Jaguar has already arrived on the scene - it is called Nirbhay missile.

The rest of the job will be done by LCA Tejas.

AMCA should be an air dominance fighter. We need a Su-30 type aircraft through local design.

fgfa is for air dominance and amca is a multirole hence can be used as a bomber

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Not true.

Anyway but tell me, as per your opinion, who is / was the worst US president for India.

for me its nixon............................

 

[Zebra]

for me its nixon............................

Thanks for the answer.

Anyway, President Nixon also offered India to be with US.

And @ LETHALFORCE had already posted a link / report on this.

 

[smestarz]

Initially if we are to replace Jaguars, let it first be with say Mirage 2000 and then later can be replaced with AMCA

 

[Punya Pratap]

Instead of replacements of Jags I suggest reengineing them with Honeywell ASAP with IRST & Radar.

The focus as of now is the REPLACEMENT FOR Mig 21 & Mig 27 not the Jaguars which even the IAF says has some utility left if only it can be reengined with a more powerful Honeywell engines!!

 

[The enlightened]

Instead of replacements of Jags I suggest reengineing them with Honeywell ASAP with IRST & Radar.

The focus as of now is the REPLACEMENT FOR Mig 21 & Mig 27 not the Jaguars which even the IAF says has some utility left if only it can be reengined with a more powerful Honeywell engines!!

They have to be replaced eventually.

 

[Kharavela]

^^

Let me put it in my layman's words.....

Nearly all US President offered their support to India when they came in power, if I am not wrong.

It was India who rejected to take US support . (Many thanks to PM Modi, as he preferred to be with US. )

And once India reject it, then anti India countries took / will take advantage of this situation.

India is a big country and US is the super power of this world.

If India prefer not to be with US, then US will take other options.

In such situation, any US President can't help India, if even he/she is a pro India person.

That is why it is important to be with US.

Dear Friend,
Please read history again, carefully and name one POTUS after JFK who has offered support to India...

Four Presidents of US namely:
1) Roosevelt (1933 - 1945) => Pressed for Indian independence with Brits,
2) Truman (1945 - 1953) => Approved supply of free food to India.
3) Eisenhower (1953 - 1961) => Supportive of India against rise of Communist China.
4) Kennedy (1961 - 1963) => Considered India as Strategic Partner to counter Communist China.

 

[rohit b3]

Currently the IAF has around 154 Mig21s , 85 Mig27s and 145 Jaguars.
Till 2020 , IAF is inducting atleast 70 Su-30MKIs , 40 Tejas mk1 and 36 Rafales = 146 Jets. This will replace all 85 Mig27s and 61 Mig21s.
93 Mig21s left will be retired by 2025 against the Tejas mk2.
2025 onwards there will be a need to retire Jaguars.
144 FGFAs will be ordered and can be used to replace the 145 Jaguars gradually from 2025-2035.
2030 will see the need to replace the Mig29, Mirage2000 and Tejas mk1. AMCA will do the job from 2030-2040 replacing all the Mig29/Mirage2000/HAL Tejas mk1 by 2040.
Then comes the need to replace the 4++ gen MKIs,Rafales and Tejas mk2 from around 2040 onwards...and this process keeps going on..

The only way the IAF can increase its strength the to desired 1000 jets or more can be done by ordering 60 Tejas mk1 ,instead of 40(hopefully this will be done by ordering additional Mk1P models) and atleast 150 Tejas Mk2.
Also need to press the accelarator on the FGFA programme and induct about 200 of them, provided the project is successful.

 

[Kharavela]

Currently the IAF has around 154 Mig21s , 85 Mig27s and 145 Jaguars.
Till 2020 , IAF is inducting atleast 70 Su-30MKIs , 40 Tejas mk1 and 36 Rafales = 146 Jets. This will replace all 85 Mig27s and 61 Mig21s.
93 Mig21s left will be retired by 2025 against the Tejas mk2.
2025 onwards there will be a need to retire Jaguars.
144 FGFAs will be ordered and can be used to replace the 145 Jaguars gradually from 2025-2035.
2030 will see the need to replace the Mig29, Mirage2000 and Tejas mk1. AMCA will do the job from 2030-2040 replacing all the Mig29/Mirage2000/HAL Tejas mk1 by 2040.
Then comes the need to replace the 4++ gen MKIs,Rafales and Tejas mk2 from around 2040 onwards...and this process keeps going on..

The only way the IAF can increase its strength the to desired 1000 jets or more can be done by ordering 60 Tejas mk1 ,instead of 40 (hopefully this will be done by ordering additional Mk1P models) and atleast 150 Tejas Mk2.
Also need to press the accelarator on the FGFA programme and induct about 200 of them, provided the project is successful.

Doesn't this fundamental understanding comes to IAF Chair Marshalls ??

LCA (Air Force & Navy versions) has zero accident record during its 3000+ flights.

 

[Punya Pratap]

They have to be replaced eventually.

The immediate problem facing IAF is the replacements for Mig 21 & Mig 27 so the focus should be on them. Finding replacement for Jags is not the priority since the IAF itself says a re-engined & souped up Jag is what it wants for the next 10/15 years.

Your statement should be kept in the foresight to ensure the AMCA does'nt get delayed!

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

the best replacement of Jaguars is Su34 - fighter Bombers
in souped up Super Su34 MKI version

 

[tsunami]

AMCA should be replacement of Jaguars and Mirage as both are going to be replaced after 2030 and then IAF will have FGFA (Multirole optimized for Air dominance) and AMCA (Multirole optimized for strike)

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

AMCA cannot be optimsed for strike as FGFA will be only few in nos around 150 when taking on china AMCA has to perform the A2A combat & Air dominance roles comparatively well

 

[SajeevJino]

AMCA cannot be optimsed for strike as FGFA will be only few in nos around 150 when taking on china AMCA has to perform the A2A combat & Air dominance roles comparatively well

I see..!!

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[punjab47]

Should just focus on current goal, that is what Dronacharya Ji praised Arjun Ji on as well.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Any updates on UCAV? Jaguar should be replaced only with UCAV?

 

[SajeevJino]

Jaguar fighter gets 20-year lease of life with DARIN-III avionics

The Indian Air Force (IAF) took a vital step on Wednesday towards boosting its dwindling fleet of combat aircraft. As MiG-21s and MiG-27s retire, forcing the IAF to close down squadrons, a new avionics upgrade for the nuclear-capable Jaguar strike fighter will let it fly for another two decades.

This is Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd’s (HAL’s) new DARIN-III (Darin Three) “navigation-attack” system that allows the Jaguar to do pinpoint bombing. The DARIN-III allows a pilot to feed in the coordinates of targets deep inside enemy territory. Once airborne, the computer’s inertial navigation system directs the pilot to the target, telling him when to releases his weapons precisely.

The IAF’s deputy chief, Air Marshal RKS Bhadauria, flew a Jaguar equipped with DARIN-III in HAL Bengaluru, after which he accorded “initial operational clearance” of the upgraded system.

The IAF’s six Jaguar squadrons (20 fighters in each) are deployed in Ambala, Jamnagar and Gorakhpur. Termed “deep penetration strike aircraft”, the Jaguar destroys surface targets like terrorist camps, air bases and warships with its on-board weaponry, including “new generation laser guided bombs” (NGLGBs); and the lethal Textron CBU-105 “sensor fuzed weapons”, bought in 2010 from America. This effective tank-buster breaks up into many “smart bomblets” that guide themselves to the tanks and penetrate their turrets from above.

The 120 twin-engine Jaguars will also get new engines supplied by US major, Honeywell, for an estimated $3 billion. Each Honeywell F-125N engine delivers 43.8 KiloNewtons (kN) of thrust, significantly higher than the 32.5 kN of the Jaguar’s current Rolls-Royce engines.

Powerful engines are essential for swift ingress into enemy territory and a quick escape after a strike. Enemy radars that pick up the Jaguars would scramble fighters to intercept them.

To deal with these, the Jaguar will be fitted with the EL/M-2052 radar, supplied by Israeli company, Elta. This “active electronically scanned array” (AESA) radar allows pilots to simultaneously track enemy fighters, guide missiles towards them, while also jamming enemy communications and radar. While the Jaguar is primarily a strike fighter, its new AESA radar, coupled with a good air-to-air missile, would provide it a formidable capability against attacking enemy fighters.

Currently, 60 Jaguars --- half the fleet --- will be equipped with DARIN-III and the EL/M-2052 AESA radar.

The Jaguar provides a remarkable story of how indigenous upgrades are cheaply modernising, and extending the life of, a foreign-origin aircraft. In 1978, India signed a $1 billion deal for 160 Jaguars, manufactured by Anglo-French company, SEPECAT. The first 40 aircraft, which were supplied in flyaway condition, came with an out-dated “navigation and weapon-aiming sub-system” (NAVWASS).

As HAL began manufacturing the Jaguar, an Indo-French co-development team began upgrading the avionics to DARIN. From 1982, all Jaguars built at HAL had DARIN systems.

Buoyed by that achievement, the IAF and HAL decided in the 1990s to upgrade the DARIN. The result was the superb, entirely indigenous, DARIN-II, which guides the Jaguar blind, literally to the touchdown point on the runway.

“Even in Ambala’s infamous winter fogs, when you couldn’t see your hand if you extended your arm in front of you, the Jaguars were landing and taking off easily”, says a new retired Jaguar pilot.

The 60-odd Jaguars with DARIN-II will continue to operate that system, while the other 60, which still have the original DARIN, will now be upgraded to DARIN-III.


The IAF is currently the world’s only Jaguar operator. IAF boss, Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha, stated in October that the upgraded Jaguars would remain in service for the next 15-20 years.

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.nl/2016/11/jaguar-fighter-gets-20-year-lease-of.html

 

[India22]

Darin III is fine upgrade. Jaguar needs not to be replaced.