Stand with Pakistani Christian Refugees - Hector Aleem

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  1. Peaceworldwide

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    The dilemma for Christians in Pakistan is that they are very peaceful but the government and agencies of the country are hell bent on exterminating them. Despite being loyal to Pakistan, Christians have to flee the country and live a life of refugee in difficult countries like Thailand, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Malaysia etc. After being shamefully defeated by India, Pakistani army focused all its attention to the vulnerable Christians of Pakistan. Believe it or not, Pakistan through its agencies is busy in spreading Talibanisation and Islamisation all over the world. Its time for the whole world to stand with Pakistani Christian refugees who are scattered in different parts of the world.

    Hector Aleem
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    Srinivas_K Senior Member Senior Member

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    Majority of people in Pakistan believe in Mullahs who are hell bent in hitting the minority religions in Pakistan.
     
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    I always wondered when muslims in minority try to increase their population by having lot of children, why the same policy is not applied by the minorities in pakistan. Atleast this way they wouldn't go extinct in a few years. Its not just Christians.....sikh,hindu,ahmedi,shia all are suffering a slow death.
     
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    Neo Senior Member Senior Member

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    And you think you are helping your cause by posting anti Pakistan stuff on an hindu forum?

    Good luck, you will make a lot of friends here!
     
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    ladder Senior Member Senior Member

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    Little correction, secular forum. Where atheists are also equally welcome.

    Don't try to peddle your moth-eaten 'two nation' theory here, and incidentally your two nation theory has become three nation theory by default.
     
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    I know how secular this forum is, lol. :rofl:
     
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    I know how round the earth is :rofl:
     
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    Isn't Islam a religion of peace, and Pakistan a citadel of Islam?
     
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    Trying to reason with Paki mindset wherever these people are is an exercise in futility.

    Rather, one should see and observe how the true Paki colours come out - straight away accusations of "Hindu forum" even if atheists and others are active and regular posters here.

    One might have expected "anti-Pakistani forum" but no, it is "Hindu forum". Just goes to see the ideology these land of pure people have and follow.

    One sees, one observes and one learns!
     
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    Participation of non hindu members is not denied but its the way how hindutva metality and views are propagated here make it a very unfriendly place for worlds largest religion, the Islam.
    Which brings me back to my pont the the OP will make a lot of friends here. :wave:
     
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    Unfriendly place..as in Hindus going from 22% population to about 1.6% in just 65 years.

    Wonder which place is that unfriendly? :wave:
     
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    @Peaceworldwide why did the Christians supported Pakistan's creation in 1947 ? When the very basis of Pakistan is on religion... Are you people so naive to think that you will get justice there ??
     
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    Another stupid argument made for local consumption only. Millions of hindus migrated to India after the participation.
    The percentage of muslims in India fell for the same reason, more than half the Indian muslims became Pakistani after the partition.
     
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    Certainly then makes one wonder about why people start threads like this when they are Pakistani minorities, yes? Of course, that would be a RAW conspiracy or another "stupid argument". :rolleyes:
     
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    I am going through the fb page on Hector Aleem came across this

    " From the very first day of school, Christian child starts to hear that Christianity is a false religion and that they should accept Islam if they want to go to Heaven."

    Who the hell gave the right to denounce others religious feelings and call themselves as peaceful religion. This is what they teach and this is what they do in international sports arena as well.


    This phrase from him seems correct

    "In the end I would like to say that Christians have not arrived in this region from USA or Europe they are the indigenous people of this region, but Muslims of Pakistan proudly tells about their ancestors as Sherazi from Sheraz, Bukhari from Bukhara, Qureshi from the Quresh tribe of Arab and etc. "
     
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    Would the alternative had been any better? Let me show you an article I read this mornin.
     
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    Hindu nationalist groups seek to 'cleanse' Christian population in India


    2014-09-09 Vatican Radio

    (Vatican Radio) The watchdog group International Christian Concern (ICC) said in a press release that nationalist groups have been directing hate speech toward Christians and leading attacks on pastors and churches in the northern state of Uttar Pradesh. Believers are reportedly worried that radical Hindu nationalism and persecution of minorities will escalate.

    John Dayal, a member of the Indian government's National Integration Council, said: "There has been a sharp rise in hate campaigns against Christians by political organizations. This threat of purging Christians from villages extends from Chhattisgarh and Madhya Pradesh to now Uttar Pradesh, and to the borders of the national capital of New Delhi."

    There have been reports of churches being turned into Hindu temples, and entire mobs attacking Christian houses. ICC shared details about one incident in July where a church in Sahakarinagar village was rampaged through by a group of 25 Hindu radicals, led by Hemanth Singh, a leader in the local Bajrangdal group.

    Rev. RC Paul, who was leading a Bible study at the church at the time, was beaten along with several other members. "We were shaken and are very scared of the situation in the area. We are concerned of our safety, even going alone outside looks very dangerous at the moment," Paul said.

    In fact, there have been reports of sporadic violence against Christians are also coming from other South Indian States like Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka and Tamil Nadu where several anti social elements under the banner of Hindu Nationalist organisations have been going on the rampage attacking Christians in their Churches and homes causing severe injuries and damage to Christian Property, not to speak of desecration of the sacred objects that they could lay their hands on.

    ICC noted in its press release that news headlines will continue to focus on Christian persecution at the hands of terror group ISIS in Iraq, but argued that the international community "must take notice of the issues of Christian persecution globally”.

    "Like Christians facing ISIS in Iraq, millions of Christians across India are facing persecution at the hands of radical Hindu nationalist groups," the watchdog group added. "Without drastic change, this difficult situation will likely only get worse, as radical Hindu nationalist groups popping up across India have been given almost complete impunity under the new Hindu nationalist government led by BJP and Narendra Modi."

    Following May's election of the nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party, several Indian church leaders had said that they were not concerned that extremist groups would rise up against minorities. "Minorities, such as Christians and Muslims, are an integral part of the nation and of the social fabric of Indian society. Minorities are protected by the Constitution, I believe that the new government cannot and will not want to go against the Constitution. As Christians we are confident," His Exc. Mgr. Stanley Roman, bishop of Quilon, in the state of Kerala, had said at the time.

    But no one can deny that India's Hindutva (Hindu nationalist) forces wanted the Barantya Janata Party (BJP) to win power at state and federal levels with absolute majorities so they can rule outright and not have their Hindutva program hamstrung by coalition partners. Uniting Hindus to dragnet the Hindu vote was vastly important to Hindutva as India, which is almost 80 percent Hindu, has numerous political parties.

    Pursuing the Hindu vote the Hindutva forces have unleashed a vicious propaganda of Indian harmony, culture, identity, security, sovereignty and territorial integrity being seriously under threat from indigenous Christian missionaries, whom they describe variously as terrorists, separatists and CIA operatives. According to the Hindutva propaganda, the only way to save India is to unite behind Hindutva. 'Hindu Jago, Christi Bhagao!' – ('Arise Hindus, throw out the Christians!') - is their slogan.

    What is alarming is that Hindu nationalists are now committing their violent attacks in front of television cameras, public meetings and even in the parliament. There have also been TV images which portray the perpetrators of violence as Hindutva cult heroes! The obvious silence and the presumably tacit approval of the Federal government to these serious developments have only fuelled further violence and has encouraged and bolstered the Hindutva hoodlums to terrorise the hapless Christians, who are more often than not, from the lower economic strata.

    Msgr. Albert D'Souza, archbishop of Agra, in the state of Uttar Pradesh, and general secretary of the Indian Bishops' Conference, added that sometimes "small groups of fanatics can give us concern," but argued that the Church "will continue in its mission to pray for the new government and contribute to the common good of the nation, supporting democracy, respect for pluralism, the rights of all and a secular concept in the political agenda."

    New Delhi Archbishop Anil J. Couto has now also raised concern, however, at the rising attacks on Christians and churches in India in recent months. "It is very disturbing, and we request local authorities to take adequate measures to book the miscreants threatening to weaken the social fabric of this great nation," Couto said.

    "The Sangh Parivar plan [is] to carry out shuddhikaran — attempts to re-convert Christians to Hinduism," the Archbishop continued."This move by fundamentalist groups is a grave assault on the fundamental rights of individuals and people and groups."

    Other persecution watchdog ministries, like Open Doors, have also noted a rise in Hindu extremism targeting Christians. The group ranks India as number 28 on its list of countries where Christians face the most persecution.

    In May of this year, a village council in India passed an ordinance attempting to ban all Christian religious activity in a festival area. That came after some Christians in the village refused to pay a festival tax to a local Hindu temple. As a result of the village council's efforts, Hindu radicals in other parts of India have attempted to get similar ordinances in their area. In some cases they were successful. The council decrees were eventually overturned when they reached the district administration, but Stark says that isn't helping ease concerns.

    In late July this year the Chief of the Rashtriya Swayam Sevak Sangh (RSS), a prominent Hindu Nationalist Organisation, courted controversy saying the world recognised India as a Hindu rashtra (nation). “So Hindutva is India’s identity. It’s the identity of everybody staying in this country. Except the Jews and the Parsis, everybody’s ancestors in India were Hindus. We are all influenced by the Hindu culture.”

    Stating that “ours is a Hindu rashtra”, Mr. Bhagwat said the sole aim of the RSS was “to mobilise the Hindu society on the basis of Hindutva.” “Mobilising those who have forgotten that they are Hindus is the next task in line!” The RSS, regarded as the ideological head of the BJP had backed Narendra Modi for the general elections.

    Source: Christian Post

    Hindu nationalist groups seek to 'cleanse' Christian population in India
     
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    It has to happen when one creates a country based on religion... rather I would say is based on hate for Hindus...

    All along they are killing minorities read Christians, Hindus and Ahmadi and Today they will kill themselves...

    The Abrahamic religions believes that others are false religion... and it is their duty to destroy others...
     
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    Posting articles about RSS for some is same as equating it with what happens in Pakistan to minorities.

    Must say, have never heard of Hinduphobia or even Buddhistophobia. On the other hand...
     
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    Crap of load again. Yes, as muslims we don't believe in present day Judaism or Christianity and at 'muslim' schools we teach them the history of Islam and why it came into being. The subject is cumpulsary in govt schools and its called Islamiyaat.

    Our Christian friend conveniently forgets to mention that there are specific and dedicated 'Christian' schools in Pakistan where the Bible studies are taught instead of Islamiyaat and the latter is only an optional subject. He conveniently forgets to mention how Christianity was spread into the Muslim/Arab world and the Sub-Continent. He conveniently expects the muslims to forget the millions of muslims lives that were lost when Christianity was forced to them with the sword.
     

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