South China Sea: Role of India

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  1. Yusuf

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    http://sarvatravijay.wordpress.com/2012/05/12/south-china-sea-role-of-india/

    The Chinese have been rather aggressive in the South China Sea of late. They have laid claims to virtually all of SCS and the many resource rich islands in it and have cited all kinds of reasons including some 13th century maps to claim lands in the area. The Chinese claim lands that belong to the Vietnam and has raised objections to Indian oil exploration activities in the region with rather harsh tones. They claim all of the Spratly and the Parcel Islands. These areas are thought to be resource rich especially oil and gas. These Islands are being claimed by multiple countries that include China, Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan.

    China and Philippines have been locked in a stand-off in disputed waters at the Scarborough Shoal since 8 April. Both sides accuse each other of intruding into territorial waters. The shoal itself, called Huangyan Island by China, is a series of rocks and reefs more than 100 miles (160km) froSm the Philippines and 500 miles from China. China claims sovereignty over a large U-shaped area of the South China Sea, bringing it into dispute with several neighbouring countries. In recent months it has grown more assertive over the issue. China uses maps dating back to the 13th century to further its claims.

    One of China’s most popular newspapers has warned of a potential “small-scale war” between Beijing and Manila as a result of their standoff at Panatag Shoal, or Scarborough Shoal as the area is known internationally.

    The Global Times, in an editorial published in its Chinese and English editions, said over the weekend that “China should be prepared to engage in a small-scale war at sea with the Philippines.”

    India started oil exploration in Vietnam in an area which the Chinese claim as theirs. China has warned India on several occasions to not interfere in the region. India’s Foreign Minister has retorted back saying South China Sea is not “China’s Sea” and has vowed to continue with legitimate business in the region.

    Indian ties to the region are historic. Going far back to the Chola Dynasty which ruled the southern part of the Indian Sub continent and also large areas of the countries in South East Asia. The Chola Empire existed between the 300 BC and 13th Century. It reached the peak during the reign on Raja Raja Chola.

    The map below illustrates that.





    I am sure the Indian government is not going to use this as a pretext to claim sovereignty over large parts of South East Asia. But what it does show is that India has historically had an interest in the region. Large parts of this areas have Hindu Temples that stand till today. As India grows economically and militarily, these areas will continue to grow in importance for India.

    India will have to foresee a role of being a security guarantor in the region against the hegemonic ambitions of the Chinese. India has been following a look east policy for the last fifteen years as far as trade relations go. But now India has to look to establish strategic and military ties with the countries of the region. India already has military relations with Vietnam. India has trained Malaysian pilots to fly their Su 30 fighters. India and Indonesia have been developing a strategic partnership and relations between the two countries are historic. India should use its historic and cultural ties along with common ideals of democracy to build on these relations with these countries to counter the Chinese influence. That the entire region is wary of China is beyond doubt.

    India should look to arm the countries of this region with some of its home-grown weapons. Primarily the Brahmos anti ship missile to thwart any chinese naval aggression in the region. India could also look to sell in the future its light combat aircraft, Arjun Tank and Akash Surface to Air Missiles. We can provide aid if need be.

    The Indian Navy has been acquiring and will continue to acquire surface and sub surface combatants that will help India project power far away from its own shores. Along with the US with which it already has a naval agreement to protect sea lanes of communications and India has naval deployments to check piracy in the region. India has been developing military ties with Japan and South Korea which along with the US can form a significant alliance in the region to guarantee peace and security. India will have to work towards establishing a concrete security framework and leverage its growing economy and military to secure its vital interests in the region.
     
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  3. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Chinese claims are based on factious maps.

    Their history is cloaked in fairy tales based on hearsay and legends.

    I would recommend you read "The Records of the Grand Historian'. It has much of hearsay but taken by the Chinese as true.

    The manner in which China lays claim, if India did the same then a part of China could belong to India.

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    This Tamil Language inscription was found in China.

    It was found about 500 miles north of Canton, in a place called Chuan Chou. This is a port city. It was an important port city in the ancient times also.

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    In Chuan Chou, there was a Sivan Temple. In that temple, an image of Siva was consecrated under the 'Firman' - royal orders of 'Sekasai Khan'.
     
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    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    Can any of u explain me on below, taken in a local museum, said to be via maritime silk road

    About Shiva, Brahma or Vishnu? I simply forgot as there were relics of various origins / religions

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    Tamil Canton bhai bhai,sad both of them ruled by north
     
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    Did they gone out from POK ?
     
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    india is neither the main trader parterners of invovled countries, nor the weapon exporters in the world

    Besides, India has neither veto of UN,nor votes in world bank or IMF.

    Furthermore, India itself is hungary for foreign fund, so India can not provide much soft loans....


    So in a word, India has little leverages and real influnce on issue of South China sea
     
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    Then why is China making such a big deal?
     
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    Its the little things that matter, which are enough to publicly piss off Beijing.
     
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    The problem is, you dont realize the strength of Indian economy is based on internal consumption.

    And read properly. I said as India grows, it should develop strategic ties with the countries involved. Indias high growth will be a good market for these countries. We may not be a weapons exporter, but things change. I have listed certain platforms that can be sold.
     
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    well, you don't realize that due to low average income, India is still just a "potential market" .

    from auto,steel,household appliance to electronics, the consumption of almost every items in india is just 1/10-1/5 of that in CHina.
     
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    That where the strength lies. The potential. If there is no potential there is no will to expand.
     
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    A big deal? No!

    So far, the chinese boats deployed there are sea police. So, the whole is not a big deal.
     
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    Which means that you don't have much economic inflence in international market.

    Yes, India may be a big thing in future. But you are not a big thing in other part of asia NOW.

    You can only play an important role after you become important.
     
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    Pissing off Beijing? Maybe. But that is all india can do now.

    If USA wants to play a big role in south china sea, 3 carriers group will appear there in next days.

    If Japan wants to step in, they can provide billions dollars financial aid to south east asian country.

    Even South korea can say something as their investments are all over asia.

    What india can provide NOW? Fleet? Money? or just empty words?
     
  18. badguy2000

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    well, empty words .........
     
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    You I are both gong to be around and this forum as well. We will see how things play over the next few years. Till then worth about getting your boats back that illegally strayed into Philippines territorial waters.
     
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    why next few years? Do you think PLAN in next few years will weaker than now?
     
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    No India will keep getting more assertive.
     

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