Solving China's #1 National Security Problem

[Martian]

as far as I know ........................Mongolians Ruled china in the Past

if you capture Mangolia ......................then Russia will oppose it ...........

You will face American & European sanctions .

which will destroy all of Your economy.


all of Your semiconductor Industry is dependent on American , Korean & Taiwanese companies .

china is just providing cheap labors ......You dont have any advanced technology .


and if You think nukes will save You from American attacks then you are wrong .................

nukes are old technology and now there are many ways to counter it .

Americans are preparing for it for decades ...........................I'm sure they have solution ................or they will develop in the near future .

Do you mind not reposting the same nonsense over and over again?

Russia's economy is 1/10th the size of China's. The Russians can't oppose anything.

China's economy: $11.4 trillion.
Russia's economy: $1.2 trillion.

Russia loses every conventional war with China. The Russians have said their nuclear arsenal will be used to defend Russian land. Outer Mongolia is NOT Russian land.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

No.

Hong Kong was returned, because Deng Xiaoping demanded it. He told Margaret Thatcher that China could march troops into Hong Kong this afternoon to reclaim it. Margaret Thatcher replied that China's reputation would take a hit and gave up her dream of extending the lease on Hong Kong.

If Chinese President Xi Jinping decides he wants Outer Mongolia back, he merely has to order the PLA into Outer Mongolia this afternoon to fix the problem.
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Easier said than done.March troops into an independent country and claim it.This isnt imperalistic times.China would be stupid to start a war on its borders.US has learnt that and has never started a war near its borders.Starting a war near your borders cost the British their superpower status.

 

[Martian]

Easier said than done.March troops into an independent country and claim it.This isnt imperalistic times.China would be stupid to start a war on its borders.US has learnt that and has never started a war near its borders.Starting a war near your borders cost the British their superpower status.

Texas was Mexican territory. The United States and John C. Calhoun took Texas from Mexico.

The United States further proceeded to take California and the entire American Southwest from Mexico.

Yet, you claim the US "never started a war near its borders?"

Try reading the history books.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

Texas was Mexican territory. The United States and John C. Calhoun took Texas from Mexico.

The United States further proceeded to take California and the entire American Southwest from Mexico.

Yet, you claim the US "never started a war near its borders?"

Try reading the history books.

What you are talking about is way way old.Long before America became a the 50 odd state USA let alone the SuperPower it is today.Try to see the context.I specifically said this isnt imperilastic times.

 

[Martian]

What you are talking about is way way old.Long before America became a the 50 odd state USA let alone the SuperPower it is today.Try to see the context.I specifically said this isnt imperilastic times.

The US stopped expanding, because it wanted to. There is no place to go beyond the Pacific Ocean.

Also, the United States did not want a lot of brown Mexicans. Thus, the US stopped expanding southward.

Reclaiming Outer Mongolia for China is simply normal behavior for countries.

Mongolia was part of China prior to 1945. Reclaiming Outer Mongolia will restore history back to its original state.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

Do you mind not reposting the same nonsense over and over again?

Russia's economy is 1/10th the size of China's. The Russians can't oppose anything.

China's economy: $11.4 trillion.
Russia's economy: $1.2 trillion.

Russia loses every conventional war with China. The Russians have said their nuclear arsenal will be used to defend Russian land. Outer Mongolia is NOT Russian land.

How does Russia lose every single war with China?Leave China even NATO would find it difficult to beat Russia in a land war near Russian borders.Copying and producing Russian weapons dont make you a super power.

What was the Vietnam economy vis a vis USA?

 

[airtel]

Reclaiming Outer Mongolia for China is simply normal behavior for countries.

dont talk ...................just do it & see the consequences ............

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

The US stopped expanding, because it wanted to. There is no place to go beyond the Pacific Ocean.

Also, the United States did not want a lot of brown Mexicans. Thus, the US stopped expanding southward.

Reclaiming Outer Mongolia for China is simply normal behavior for countries.

Mongolia was part of China prior to 1945. Reclaiming Outer Mongolia will restore history back to its original state.

India was part of UK till 1947.Can UK claim India today?Though they have a legal right over India.

US realised that if you start a war near your main land sooner it will spread inside your territory.US has been very wise to avoid any war near its main land in more than a 100 years while waging wars all over the world during the same time.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

dont talk ...................just do it & see the consequences ............

Before that try walking troops to claim Taiwan.

 

[Martian]

How does Russia lose every single war with China?Leave China even NATO would find it difficult to beat Russia in a land war near Russian borders.Copying and producing Russian weapons dont make you a super power.

What was the Vietnam economy vis a vis USA?

You're delusional.

China has 1.4 billion people. Russia only has 0.14 billion people.

China has stealth fighters. Russia has exposed metallic engine pods on its Pak Fa.

Read the Russian press. They readily acknowledge they would lose a conventional war with China and the Russian generals hint at the use of nuclear weapons to defend Siberia.
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Regarding the Vietnam War, the Vietnamese were supported by the Soviet economy (about 1/2 the size of the US economy back then) and China, which pumped endless small conventional arms into Vietnam. Vietnam was a proxy war between superpowers and their economies.

 

[Krusty]

No.

Hong Kong was returned, because Deng Xiaoping demanded it. He told Margaret Thatcher that China could march troops into Hong Kong this afternoon to reclaim it. Margaret Thatcher replied that China's reputation would take a hit and gave up her dream of extending the lease on Hong Kong.

If Chinese President Xi Jinping decides he wants Outer Mongolia back, he merely has to order the PLA into Outer Mongolia this afternoon to fix the problem.
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Most part of China was held by the Mongolians. You might want to give it back. Talking about annexing an independent country just for giggles shows your comment has been made without respecting others and in very bad taste. Forget Mongolia where there are deep Russian interests, why doesn't china march into Taiwan which China claims as its own territory? This shows most of CCPs comments are little more than hot air.

 

[airtel]

You're delusional.

China has 1.4 billion people. Russia only has 0.14 billion people.

China has stealth fighters. Russia has exposed metallic engine pods on its Pak Fa.

Read the Russian press. They readily acknowledge they would lose a conventional war with China and the Russian generals hint at the use of nuclear weapons to defend Siberia.
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Regarding the Vietnam War, the Vietnamese were supported by the Soviet economy (about 1/2 the size of the US economy back then) and China, which pumped endless small conventional arms into Vietnam. Vietnam was a proxy war between superpowers and their economies.

awww if Your 5th gen. Fighters are so good then why You are begging russian Sukhoi 35 ??

what about Vietnam-china war ??:blah::blah::blah:

and yes if You try to capture magnolia (or Vietnam or Taiwan any other country )...................then You will have to Fight with USA , Russia , India , NATO , Japan etc ......................and even people inside Your country .


You will be bombed back to stone ages .



better Idea capture Pakistan ...................and rest of the world will support You

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

You're delusional.

China has 1.4 billion people. Russia only has 0.14 billion people.

China has stealth fighters. Russia has exposed metallic engine pods on its Pak Fa.

Read the Russian press. They readily acknowledge they would lose a conventional war with China and the Russian generals hint at the use of nuclear weapons to defend Siberia.
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Regarding the Vietnam War, the Vietnamese were supported by the Soviet economy (about 1/2 the size of the US economy back then) and China, which pumped endless small conventional arms into Vietnam. Vietnam was a proxy war between superpowers and their economies.

So 1.4bn people will take up arms and invade Russia?LOL. USA has 300mn people and they have been whooping nations for past 100 years or so.

The last time someone tried invading Russia on basis of his perceived conventional superiority he had to ultimately commit suicide.

Chinese stealth technology.We will see that when they actually prove one in a war situation.

Russians will have enough economic support when they take on China.

 

[Krusty]

China has stealth fighters. Russia has exposed metallic engine pods on its Pak Fa.

I have repeatedly asked you and @amoy this question. Why did China stand in line for the SU 35 when they have their fifth gen fighters? Why did they stand in line for s400 when you have the HQ9? China was the first to stand in line for these systems as soon as the Russian MOD cleared it for foreign sales

 

[Krusty]

@airtel beat me to it. .....

 

[airtel]

@amoy was talking about Chinese principals when China voted against Israel .............

 

[DingDong]

You're delusional.

China has 1.4 billion people. Russia only has 0.14 billion people.

China has stealth fighters. Russia has exposed metallic engine pods on its Pak Fa.

Read the Russian press. They readily acknowledge they would lose a conventional war with China and the Russian generals hint at the use of nuclear weapons to defend Siberia.
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Regarding the Vietnam War, the Vietnamese were supported by the Soviet economy (about 1/2 the size of the US economy back then) and China, which pumped endless small conventional arms into Vietnam. Vietnam was a proxy war between superpowers and their economies.

Who told you that any Chinese misadventure in Mongolia will not be exploited by other countries?
Who told you that India, US and Japan won't needle China from side and behind?
Who told you that Russia won't supply weapons to the Mongols?
Who told you that India won't arm the Tibetan freedom fighters?
Who told you that EU and US will not impose economic sanction?


China will invade Mongolia, may end up loosing Tibet and Hong Kong.

 

[Martian]

I predict China reclaims Outer Mongolia in 2021.

There are compelling reasons that China will reclaim Outer Mongolia by 2021.

1. China needs a few years to build up its stealth fighter fleet. The Chengdu J-20 will enter mass production this year. A fleet of J-20s will be amassed in the next four years.

2. The year 2021 is near the end of Chinese President Xi Jinping's administration. He may want to leave a legacy of reclaiming Outer Mongolia.

3. US President-elect Donald Trump is about to throw the "One China" policy out the window. This means China's PLA is no longer restrained from reclaiming Outer Mongolia. The "One China" policy was the old deal by both countries to maintain the status quo, which is about to be abrogated.

 

[airtel]

there is American Army in Afghanistan (& they are not leaving ) ..................soon they will provide weapons & Money to Uighurs ...........................China should care about Xinjiang instead of Mongolia .

 

[angeldude13]

@Martian I see suicide bombing logic have been passed by pakis to you chinis in a very short span of time.