Small arms of India

[mseven]

I'm not allowed to post links, but the Magpul Masada looks like a great system :gun:

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: Mg-42

Hanging on walls of Military Museums and various HQ and important place ..

Their are more MG3 in Indian army`s static display then Pakistan Army as whole ..

What happens to such weapons captured in battles?

 

[SafedSagar]

Rifleman Jaswant Singh – A Hero of the 1962 Indo-China War | Arise Bharat


I know its offtropic but... Rifleman Jaswant Singh, Anyone?

 

[ALBY]

Re: Mg-42

Are those captured MG3s and other weapons from battles allowed to be used by infantry like PKMs used by SF coz 7.62x51 ammo is common plus regular infantry or RR doesn't have a true GPMG with belt fed charateristic .

 

[Kunal Biswas]

MG3 is a horrible firearm for Professional troops, Ammo hungry which gives repeated need for barrel changes ..

 

[Blood+]

Re: Mg-42

Are those captured MG3s and other weapons from battles allowed to be used by infantry like PKMs used by SF coz 7.62x51 ammo is common plus regular infantry or RR doesn't have a true GPMG with belt fed charateristic .

Not correct,they have FN MAGs.

 

[ALBY]

Re: Mg-42

AFAIK FN MAGS with bipoods are only with SF.RR uses FNMAGS with tripoods ,most of which are either fitted over trucks or at bunkers,tripood limits the limits the mobility of the machine gunner.

 

[Blood+]

Re: Mg-42

AFAIK FN MAGs with bipods are only with SF.RR uses FNMAGS with tripoods ,most of which are either fitted over trucks or at bunkers,tripod limits the limits the mobility of the machine gunner.

I don't think so bro.Because to my best knowledge,the SF guys do not make use of FN MAGs since it's heavier.Instead license built PKMs and FN Minimi Paras of imported origins are used by them in GPMG roles and IMI Negevs in SAW roles.On the other hand,FN MAG 58s with bi pods have been used by regular infantry platoons since before 1971 war. @Kunal Biswas sir,could you please spare some info?? Thanks.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: Mg-42

SF in past used to use FN MAG ( MMG ) with bipod,

PKM are mostly used by Para SF and these are captured once,

Their are no PKM or SVD made in India,

heir are no FN Minimi in our forces just Negeves in Garud and Marcos ..

I don't think so bro.Because to my best knowledge,the SF guys do not make use of FN MAGs since it's heavier.Instead license built PKMs and FN Minimi Paras of imported origins are used by them in GPMG roles and IMI Negevs in SAW roles.On the other hand,FN MAG 58s with bi pods have been used by regular infantry platoons since before 1971 war. @Kunal Biswas sir,could you please spare some info?? Thanks.

 

[ALBY]

Re: Mg-42

There are pics of SF with MAG58S with bipoods.Its in the Special Forces thread.Also if you check the youtube video of Rocky and Mayur show on 10th PARA ie the one specialised in desert ops you could see them using Mag 58s.
But never saw any pic of RR using MAG with bipoods nor PARA using FNMINIMI/Negev.Coz Negevs are used by MARCOS and punjab SWAT exclusively.And those PKMS were all captured Chinese copies of P machine guns.
MAG58s may be used because of the easy availability of 7.62x51ammo than Russian round,though only few pics of them were seen.

 

[ALBY]

There are reports that PARA is going to buy new GPMGs which will replace ageing PKMS and MAG58 in future.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

I'm not allowed to post links, but the Magpul Masada looks like a great system :gun:

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Rifleman Jaswant Singh – A Hero of the 1962 Indo-China War | Arise Bharat


I know its offtropic but... Rifleman Jaswant Singh, Anyone?

Quite a story.

Jaswant Singh's saga of valor and sacrifice continues to serve as an inspiration to all army personnel posted in this sector. He has become a 'Baba', a saint. At the spot where he fought,a small temple has come up with a bust of his and many of his personal effects. A marble plaque commemorates him and 161 other men of his battalion who died in the battle of Nuranang, which was awarded to Garhwal Rifles as a battle honour.This shrine known as Jaswant Garh is between Se La and Jang. All Indian Army personnel passing by this route from General or a jawan, make it a point to pay their respects here.So do civilians. Jaswant is treated as if he is alive, his boots shined and his uniform and accoutrements cared for by Army personnel posted at the shrine. He has received all his promotions in time, and has reached the rank of Honorary Captain.

 

[ladder]

Now, 'Nirbheek' to arm women cops

Kumar said that the factory has got order for manufacturing 100 `Nirbheek` revolvers for women police in Jammu and Kashmir

Now, 'Nirbheek' to arm women cops | Kanpur NYOOOZ

 

[ghost]

Re: INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

It is not yet seen here, When it will be available it would be nice ..

Sir,

I don't know which system is being referred to over here,but since this is INSAS thread I am assuming it is regarding small arms.I have this information regarding current and future project of small arms in India.

The four small arms manufacturing factories viz Rifle factory, Ishapore(RFI), small Arms Factory(SAF), Ordnance factory Tiruchirapalli (OFT) & Ordnance factory Project, Korwa(OFPKR) are established primarily to cater the requirement of Defense Forces.
User is looking for induction of new technology weapons, OFB has sensitized the factories about this transition stage. New weapons can be inducted after fructification of RFPs and resultant absorption of ToT to meet the user aspiration.Considering this situation, OFB has proposed the AHQ, to consider for working out a five yearindicative requirement of Rifle and its spares for the interim period. Considering the annual wastages of Rifle INSAS, to sustain the small arms production line and manufacturing skill.

Future load scenario :
1. Development of MCAR : DAC for procurement of 1,87,825 nos Assault Rifle was taken on20.11.2009 as BUY and MAKE' designating OFB as Nodal Production Agency (NPA). RFP
issued on 19.11.2011. User trials conducted at Leh and Bakloh Cantt. RFI isthe nodal factory for absorption of ToT and productionization along with OFT.

2. Development of CQB carbine : DAC decision was taken in Feb 2006 for procurement of
1,60,082 nos of CQB carbine as BUY and MAKE designating OFB as nodal Production
Agency (NPA), RFP was issued in 2010 . Confirmatory Trials completed in August 2014. Gsevaluation is under process. OFPKR has been identified for absorption of ToT and production.However, SAF is also equipped to provide support to OFPKR.

3. Development of 12.7 mm SRCG : DAC accorded approval for procurement of 747 nos SRCG.RFP issued in October, 2013, TEC concluded in June,2014. Field evaluation trial expected from December, 2014 to February, 2014. This will provide workload to OFT.

4. Development of 7.62 mm LMG : DAC decision was taken in 2013 for procurement of 44,559 nos of 7.62 mm LMG as BUY and MAKE designating OFB as Nodal Production agency (NPA). RFP issued in 2014. TEC concluded on 21.11.2014. this will provide workload for SAF.

5. Development of JVPC : Carbine 5.56mm was taken up for development by ARDE in 1982 along with INSAS Rifle & LMG. First prototype (single trigger) was made ready in 1987 for User trial. Subsequently, double trigger was demonstrated in 1988. However, Army issued GSQRNo. 880 for Modern Sun-Machine Carbine in 2001. DAC accorded AON in 2006 for 2, 18,320 as MAKE by OFB. In April 2009 OFB started development in association with ARDE for development for JVPC. 20 nos weapons manufactured in August 2011. User assisted technical trials conducted with two weapons in August, 2013 and both the weapons have met requirement of GSQR No. 880. Trial directive issued on 05.09.2014. User trial expected from Jan 2015. SAF is the nodal factory.

6. Development of MCIWS : OFB in association with ARDE has taken up the project as per GSQR No. 1379. ARDE has placed SWOD on RFI for barrels. 5.56mm and 7.67mm barrels are under manufacture and to be supplied by Dec, 2014. Designing of 6.83mm barrel is under finalisation with ARDE.OFB simultaneously has undertaken following IRD projects to obtain workload from users:

RFI
i. 12 Bore PAG : Sale to nationalized Bands.
ii. 5.56mm Ex-Calibur Rifle : This weapon has the potential to replace INSAS Rifles
developed by RFI. PMS allocation received for 1454 nos.
iii. 7.62mm Assault Rifle (Ghaatak) : RFI, SAF has developed this weapon and successfully trial evaluated by BoO of MHA. PMS allocation received for 3007 nos.
SAF
i. Anamika 9mm Carbine : SAF is developing this weapon by reverse engineering process.MHA is regularly enquired for this project. Successful development will provide sustainedworkload for SAF.
ii. Amogh 5.56mm Carbine : There is substantial workload from Navy and various SPOs
for this weapon.

OFT
i. 40mm MGL : Army has placed an indent for supply of 1670 nos of 40mm MGL. OFT
will supply after successful validation trial by Army & MHA.
ii. 38mm MSL : BoD of MHA has concluded the User trial in Nov,2013 and recommended
for induction of 38mm MSL in Law enforcing Agencies of the country. Later on MHA has
projected requirement of 815 nos of 38mm MSL.
iii. AGS-30: Army is regularly enquiring about the project. 5 prototypes have been developed with indigenized components and are ready for in-house trials. After successful trial evaluation, workload may be obtained.
PKTM Gun : Presently the development of PKTM gun is under progress with the help of trade sources and also within the sources of OFT. Army has been expedited for placement of indent for supply of spares of PKTM gun.

 

[jbassault]

Re: New Ishapore`s Assult Rifle Goes Into Production

As far as MAGs (M240 MMG) are concerned, I wonder how Americans carry this 27lbs...

 

[ALBY]

Re: New Ishapore`s Assult Rifle Goes Into Production

They had done some serious weight reduction for their MAGs by using titanium and by using alternative fabricating methods for major components .The weight have been reduced by 2.5kg.Is it possible for OFB to do the very same to reduce the weight of our weapons?Though it is expensive.

m240 L.
Further there is a lates model named M240LW .The M240LW is a lighter version of the M240, like the M240L, but achieves it without using alternate or expensive materials or different manufacturing techniques. It instead trims off as much metal as possible from the receiver, which is made in two pieces and then bolted together. This removes about six pounds from the original M240B

 

[ALBY]

Re: New Ishapore`s Assult Rifle Goes Into Production

Though india should adopt a modified PKM version for GPMG as it is very light compared with M240.MK48 or most of the other GPMGs except Negev.But Negev lacks the option to mount in vehicles.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: New Ishapore`s Assult Rifle Goes Into Production

As long as you have the ammo belt under the gun, Its always heavy ..

They had done some serious weight reduction for their MAGs by using titanium and by using alternative fabricating methods for major components .The weight have been reduced by 2.5kg.Is it possible for OFB to do the very same to reduce the weight of our weapons?Though it is expensive.
Further there is a lates model named M240LW .The M240LW is a lighter version of the M240, like the M240L, but achieves it without using alternate or expensive materials or different manufacturing techniques. It instead trims off as much metal as possible from the receiver, which is made in two pieces and then bolted together. This removes about six pounds from the original M240B

 

[smestarz]

Re: New Ishapore`s Assult Rifle Goes Into Production

For GPMG there are few of my suggestions
One of the most ideal GPMG was German MG42 which later was modified post WW2 as MG3
It is air cooled, it is easy to change barrels, it has a good rate of fire, it was belt loaded, the MG3 incorporated drum magazines for better handling.
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1. GPMG should have good round such as say 7.62 or 6.8 or maybe 0.5 inch the round should have good stopping power.
2. It is good to have drum magazine loading else belt are ok,
3. I personally might prefer a bull pup version so that way there is advantage of longer barrel and hence better accuracy, but the standard is faster for reloading.
4. If you watch the football matches, you see the camera man near the line he wears a contraption that allows him to carry the heavy camera and focus without much strain as the weight of the camera is taken by the body. I would suggest India develops such a "carrier" as that way it will be easier to carry the machine gun and provide fire power on the move (for heavy 0.5 inch gun)