Sikh creation account.

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    Sikh creation account.​

    Sikhism was founded was Guru Nanak Dev, and is a syncretic offshoot of Hinduism. Inclusive though Hinduism is, Sikhism goes even further in that direction.

    God in Sikhism is conceived as being Formless, Indescribable, timeless transcendent Being as described in Chhandogya Upa.

    Sikh philosophy is derived directly from Upanishads, the originating works from which various philosophies sprang. Not surprisingly, Sikh creation account too parallels Hindu thoughts.
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    Page 1035 of he Grantha.
    For millions upon millions, countless years was spread darkness,
    When existed neither earth nor heaven, but only the limitless Divine Word.

    [In the "beginning" was Word of God only, without a second]

    Then existed neither day or night, nor sun or moon;
    As the Creator was absorbed in an unbroken trance [samadhi].
    Existed then neither forms of creation, nor of speech; neither wind nor water.
    [All was part of the Indescribable Transcendent God, Who does not have attributes]

    Neither was creation or disappearance or transmigration.
    Then were not continents, neither regions, the seven seas, nor rivers with water flowing.

    [Every thing was in primordial state including matter, energy and souls]
    Existed then neither heaven or the mortal world or the nether world;

    Neither hell or heaven or time that destroys.

    Hell and heaven, birth and death were then not--none arrived or departed.

    [The whole cosmos being contained in the passive Brahmma during His night (spanning 4.32 billion years), nothing tangible or intangible existed, except in Him, Whose Word existed even though He Himself was passive during that period.]

    Then were not Brahma, Vishnu or Shiva:

    [This Brahma is Cosmic ideal as opposed to the Acosmic Absolute. Cosmic personal gods too were not there, only the Acosmic one and His Word were there]

    None other than the Sole Lord was visible.

    [This the ParaBrahmma, the Absolute]

    Neither existed then female or male, or caste and birth--
    None suffering and joy received.

    Unknowable Himself, was He the source of all utterance; Himself the unknowable unmanifested.

    [Chh Upa. describes the Absolute as unKnowable and unmanifested]

    As it pleased Him, the world He created;
    Without a supporting power the expanse He sustained. Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva He created and to maya-attachment gave increase.

    (To a rare one was the Master's Word imparted.)
    Himself He made His Ordinance operative and watched over it:
    Creating continents, spheres and nether worlds, the hidden He made manifest.

    Creating the universe Himself, He has remained unattached.
    The compassionate Lord too has made the holy center [the human being].

    [The Absolute is not exhausted by His creative effort. All is within Him still, part of His Cosmic body and soul]

    Combining air, water, and fire, He created the citadel of the body.

    The Creator fashioned the Nine Abodes [of sensation];
    In the Tenth [the super-conscious mind] is lodged the Lord, unknowable, limitless.

    The illimitable Lord in His unattributed state of void assumed might;
    He, the infinite One, remaining detached:
    Displaying his power, He himself from the void created inanimate things.
    [Void refers to the uncreated world contained within Him, not the NOTHING or a singularity]
    From the unattributed void were created air and water.
    Raising creation, He dwells as monarch in the citadel of the body.
    Lord! In the fire and water [of the body] exists Thy light;
    In Thy [original] state of void was lodged [un-manifest] the power of creation.
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    In Sikhism the universe is eternal and immortal and vast.
    P 276

    There are crores and crores of galaxies and
    solar systems in the universe. The
    phenomenon of creation has occurred
    so many times. But the
    one Lord remains for ever and ever.

    1 Crore= 10 Million
     
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    This bears a very close and remarkable similarity with the Rig Veda.

    Rig Veda Hymn 10.129. Song Of Creation.


    1. THEN was not non-existent nor existent: there was no realm of air, no sky beyond it.
    What covered in, and where? and what gave shelter? Was water there, unfathomed depth of water?

    2 Death was not then, nor was there aught immortal: no sign was there, the day's and night's divider.
    That One Thing, breathless, breathed by its own nature: apart from it was nothing whatsoever.

    3 Darkness there was: at first concealed in darknew this All was indiscriminated chaos.
    All that existed then was void and form less: by the great power of Warmth was born that Unit.

    4 Thereafter rose Desire in the beginning, Desire, the primal seed and germ of Spirit.
    Sages who searched with their heart's thought discovered the existent's kinship in the non-existent.

    5 Transversely was their severing line extended: what was above it then, and what below it?
    There were begetters, there were mighty forces, free action here and energy up yonder

    6 Who verily knows and who can here declare it, whence it was born and whence comes this creation?
    TheGods are later than this world's production. Who knows then whence it first came into being?

    7 He, the first origin of this creation, whether he formed it all or did not form it,
    Whose eye controls this world in highest heaven, he verily knows it, or perhaps he knows not.
     
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    The lead article is incorrect that Sikhism is founded by Guru Nanak Dev. He in fact founded the Guru Gaddi. He authored some hymns of the Holy Book. The compilation of this was given the name "Pothi". The latter Gurus added and copied other great poets and Gurus and made it into book. Until the 10th Guru, additions were being made to the Holy Book.

    It was the greatest of all leader s of Punjab Guru Gobind Singh that, he created the "Sikh". The British in 1919 gave it the term Sikhism. If there was no Guru Gobind Singh and his determination to fight injustice, there would not be a Sikh.
     
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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    In simple words Guru Nanak started this religion by denouncing social evils like caste system,inequality etc and taught honest living and helping out(seva) and Guru Gobind Singh further molded it into a fearless martial sect which didn't hesitate fighting injustice by sword.
     
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    Genesis 1

    King James Version (KJV)


    John 1
     
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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    So much of religious stuff... DFI becoming so holy all of a sudden.
     
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    @GPM respect man.But is it true i been asked for source for religious thread ? How can there be a source for RELIGION ? @nrj
     
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    Source and purpose of thread missing.
     
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