Shut Indian missions in Afghanistan: Pakistan Army chief

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  1. ajtr

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    Shut Indian missions in Afghanistan: Pakistan Army chief


    TORONTO: Pakistan Army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, whose forces sponsor a large-scale guerrilla war through Afghan proxies to keep New Delhi out of Afghanistan, wants Indian consulates in the war-torn country to be closed, says a Canadian diplomat and former deputy head of the UN mission in Kabul. :happy_2:

    Chris Alexander, who was Canada's ambassador in Kabul from 2003 to 2005 and later deputy of the UN mission until 2009, said General Kayani is calling the shots on Afghanistan and prepared to support suicide attacks in Afghanistan's cities.

    The Pakistani general has even told President Hamid Karzai that he can broker a peace deal with the Taliban - only if Indian consulates in Afghanistan are closed.

    Writing in the Globe and Mail under the title 'The huge scale of Pakistan's complicity', Alexander said: "The Pakistan army under General Kayani is sponsoring a large-scale, covert guerrilla war through Afghan proxies - whose strongholds in Balochistan and Waziristan are flourishing. Their mission in Afghanistan is to keep Pashtun nationalism down, India out and Mr. Karzai weak."

    "The principal drivers of violence are no longer, if they ever were, inside Afghanistan... ISI is the main driver of the conflict... General Kayani and others will deny complicity. But as the WikiLeaks material demonstrates, their heavy-handed involvement is now obvious at all levels," the Canadian diplomat said.

    Because of this policy, he said "reconciliation has failed to get off the ground: the Pakistan-based Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan - the official name for the Taliban and its allies - clearly prefer to fight".

    Without Pakistani military support, "the Islamic Emirate's combat units would collapse like a house of cards. Peace and reconciliation would prosper", he said.

    Giving many examples of how General Kayani controls the principal drivers of the Afghan violence, the Canadian diplomat said: "First, in February, Pakistan's security forces began arresting a dozen or so Taliban leaders - whose presence on their soil they had always noisily denied - presumably because these insurgent commanders had shown genuine, independent interest in reconciliation.

    "Second, the chief of Pakistan's army staff, General Ashfaq Kayani, this year once again successfully resisted US pressure to launch military operations in Balochistan and North Waziristan, where the Islamic Emirate is based.

    "Third, Gen Kayani told Mr. Karzai this spring that the condition for peace in Afghanistan would be the closing of several Indian consulates, while offering to broker deals with Islamic Emirate leaders, whom he considers a 'strategic asset'.

    "Fourth, Gen Kayani blithely told a Washington audience that he remained wedded to 'strategic depth' - that is, to making Afghanistan the kind of proprietary hinterland for Pakistan, free of Indian or other outside influence, which it was from 1992 to 2001."

    He said the Pakistan army's interference in Afghanistan violates the UN Charter and poses a threat to world peace. "It deserves serious discussion in multilateral forums, including the UN."
     
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  3. venkat

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    We can broker a deal with pakistan.keep off from Kashmir and we will keep away from Afghanistan.
     
  4. ajtr

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    You show weakness on any of those two fronts you'll lose both of them.To deal with pakistan is to apply constant pressure not the negotiations.60 years of our history has shown that pakistnani never honour an agreement.Any agreement from india will be seen as weakness.
     
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    Kiyani may want the world.

    But who will oblige this martinet?
     
  6. LETHALFORCE

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    To know that our consulates are causing such unrest for the general probably means they will never be shut.
     
  7. JBH22

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    They are paranoid btw let's assume a war situation can Indian Special forces enter through waziristan and create problems for Pakistan?
     
  8. ajtr

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    there are 6 consulate at present in afghanistan.If i were GOI i would ve opened 6 more after this statement and would ve allowed free hand there.Lets convert their fear to reality.:happy_2:
     
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    it seems that general kayani wants india's efforts towards building warton country should closed. so that he can impose taliban rule again keep bleeding india & other democracy nations regularly..
     
  10. Iamanidiot

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    Sir Kayani seems to be one hell of a smart cookie.It looks like he may take us to a much rougher ride when compared to musharraf.

    Your personal opinion on Kiyani sir
     
  11. LETHALFORCE

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    There are probably a 100 or more Indian agencies in Afghanistan doing all kinds of reconstruction work as claimed in one Pak newspaper I read recently; which are real and which are fronts?? who says closing a few embassies will end Indian presence?? Not to mention Hamid Karzai is on the Indian payroll.
     
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    JP,How about a crate of mangoes to kiyani like zia :)
     
  13. sayareakd

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    Pakistan has tried its level best to close all the Indian missions and consulates in Afganistan, now after failing to do so by violence and using other means, they are crying loud at the top of there voice, by person no less then the one who controls there entire country.

    This shows their desperation and bargain what was offer shows (offering to broker deals with Islamic Emirate leaders) shows his two face along with malafide intention and ulterior motive to keep the conflict alive rather then to finish it off to world at large.

    BTW the strategic depth of Pakistan has become strategic worry for Pakistan, good job Indian intell.
     
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    Let's open some more consulates within Pakistan itself. May be in KP and Baloschistan. ;)
     
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    LMAOZ.


    MQM Urges India to Open Consulate in Karachi

    July 16, 2010 – 3:04 pm

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    ISLAMABAD: Pakistani politicians called on visiting Indian External Minister S M Krishna here on Friday. Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) delegation was the first who met with Krishna followed by ANP delegation. Talking to media after a meeting, MQM leader Farooque Sattar said terrorism is a regional issue and India should also come forward to meet the challenge. He called for positive talks between Pakistan and India adding that all contentious issues including Kashmir should be discussed in the process of talks. He said the party delegation urged the Indian minister for arrangement of the visa facility (Indian consulate) in Karachi. He said the delegation also talked over boosting bilateral trade ties and making the SAARC forum more effective. He said the Indian foreign minister denied any deadlock in the talks. Indian External Minister invited MQM delegation to visit New Delhi. Later, a three-member delegation of ANP comprised of Haji Adeel, Hashmi Baber and Tajuddin met Krishna.

    http://www.pakistankakhudahafiz.com/2010/07/16/mqm-urges-india-to-open-consulate-in-karachi/
     
  16. ajtr

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    one consulate in pindi also right next to GHQ....:happy_2:
     
  17. LETHALFORCE

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    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-Iran-inching-closer-on-Afghanistan/Article1-581308.aspx

    India, Iran inching closer on Afghanistan
    Against the backdrop of leaked US military documents showing Pakistan's ISI's support for the Taliban, Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Mohammad Ali Fathollahi comes to India on a three day visit starting Wednesday that will focus on coordinated efforts to stabilize Afghanistan. This is the second


    ministerial visit from Iran to India in less than a month and follows the July 9 joint commission meeting at which Tehran had relented to expedite India aided Chabahar port that could deepen India's outreach in both Afghanistan and Central Asia.
    Fathollahi will hold talks with Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao on a wide range of bilateral issues, including energy and economic ties. He is to call on External Affairs Minister S M Krishna.

    The worrying situation in Afghanistan in the wake of Pakistan's accelerated efforts to broker a deal between the Hamid Karzai regime and Islamabad friendly Taliban leaders will figure in the discussions, well placed sources said.

    Rao is currently in Russia for foreign office consultations and the Afghan situation also figured prominently in the discussions.

    India and Iran have been inching closer in their assessment of the Afghan situation and see a strategic advantage in coordinating efforts against the hardline Taliban.

    The two countries had backed the Northern Alliance in days leading to the ouster of the Taliban regime in 2001.

    During the discussions between Krishna and Iran's minister of economic affairs Syed Shamsheddin Hosseini in New Delhi last month, the two sides had decided to hold 'structured and regular consultations' on closer cooperation in Afghanistan. The Iranian side had assured India of accelerating the pace of work at Chabahhar port that will provide Indian goods an alternative access route to Afghanistan, bypassing Pakistan.

    The visit of Fathollahi comes against a fresh US warning to Iran to curb its nuclear programme that is suspected of developing nuclear weapons.

    India has always advocated diplomacy to resolve the Iranian nuclear issue and stressed that it should be resolved within the framework of the International Atomic Energy Agency.
     
  18. Indianrabbit

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    It appears to me that Pakistan thinks Afghanistan belongs to their fathers, sure they will come to reality someday but will take it's own sweat time. One of the reason they are over paranoid has to do with 1971, they think India is up to something and their prejudice is driving their conclusion. Once you have a doubt, even positive steps will looks negative and same is happening to them.
     
  19. prateikf

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    there can be no dealing or talks with the pakis. the pakis always betrayed us be it in 48, 65 or 71. only a fool or a traitor would want to talk to the pakis. India should send armed troops to afghanistan to protect it's interest's. we should teach that kiyani such a lesson that he would never forget. let the invaders become the victims. how long should only our people suffer.
     
  20. sandeepdg

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    If India and Iran can enhance their bilateral relations with trade and since both of them seem to agree that Taliban can create a mess for their countries, and start working together to cut them down with the considerable influence Iran has in Afghan affairs, I think the Pakistan establishment will totally freak out and start p*****g in their pants !! They are paranoid and foresee that if Indians by the way of their consulates, starts establishing a partnership with the Iranians, they will lose their hold on the Taliban, and general mood of the population which is against Pak and the Taliban, will swing towards the Indians, which will be their worst nightmare coming true !
     
  21. sob

    sob Moderator Moderator

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    India needs to act very fast and stitch together an alliance with Iran, Russia, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan. All these countries have a common goal i.e to keep out the Taliban and Pakistan.
    Further this is a test of Indian Diplomacy, we should bring Iran into the mainstream so that the Iranian route to afganistan opens up bypassing Pakistan
     

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