Should India go for indigenous Typhoon Class Submarine model?

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  1. Abhijeet Dey

    Abhijeet Dey Regular Member

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    Now that India is getting experience in submarine building technology (nuclear) as well as long range ballistic missiles India should go for Soviet based legacy submarines such as Project 941 or in NATO terms Typhoon class submarine (depending on the budget).

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    1. Ballistic missile submarines are designed for stealth, to avoid detection at all costs. Nuclear power, allowing almost the entire patrol to be conducted submerged, is of great importance to this. They also use many sound-reducing design features, such as anechoic tiles on their hull surfaces, carefully designed propulsion systems, and machinery mounted on vibration-damping mounts.

    2. The invisibility and mobility of SSBNs offer a reliable means of deterrence against an attack (by maintaining the threat of a second strike), as well as a potential surprise first strike capability.

    3. A typhoon class submarine can carry up to twenty intercontinental ballistic missiles carrying as many as two hundred independently targeted warheads (ten warheads per missile). :shock:

    4. Since the retirement of the last Royal Air Force WE.177 nuclear bomb in 1998, the British nuclear system has been wholly submarine-based. This is intended to deter a potential enemy because they cannot ensure eliminating the entire stockpile in a first strike if a ballistic missile submarine remains undetected.

    5. Beijing will command a significant coercive advantage as the PLA Navy’s first serious SSBN fleet enters service. Whether smaller Asian powers would bandwagon with China, combine to balance against it, or make other arrangements remains to be determined.

    6. The Indian Navy’s fitful progress at constructing submarine-launched ballistic missiles — range limitations in particular — promises to compel New Delhi to send SSBNs into the China seas to establish sea-based deterrence vis-à-vis Beijing. The presence of Indian missile boats in these waters — waters China considers a nautical preserve — could prove an effective deterrent against any Chinese misadventures (though India has a no-first use policy on nuclear weapons).

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  3. Yusuf

    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    We are making our own subs. Having capability to launch 20 missiles doesn't mean we have those missiles. With 10 MIRVs.

    Arihants follow on submarines will be larger and carry more missiles.
     
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    The typhoon class was unwieldy and prohibitively expensive to run, it was only the stupid amounts of resources that the soviets threw at their military that allowed the Voyenno-morskoy flot SSSR to build such wunderwaffe.
    What we need is instead to put our limited resources into building another 10 SSK'S or 6 SSN's , that will serve us better in the long run.

    Maybe we could look at building such wunderwaffe once we have all our basics covered. To spend billions on such a "White elephant" when we don't have enough artillery in our army , fighters in our airforce and subs in our navty is stupidity of the highest order.
     
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    Also if we are thinking about giant unwieldy and expensive showpieces , I'd rather go for building four Kirov class behemoths with upto 96 S-300 class SAMS and 128 Tor class SAM's a piece we could take control of the skies of Karachi by just parking two of these monsters around 50km offshore.
     
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    What is the need of the hour, the surface ships, aircraft carriers, nuclear hunter killer subs or nuclear ballistic class submarines.

    Surface ships are a billion dollars a piece, aircraft carriers and nuclear subs are four billion dollars a piece.

    So now tell me, which one India can afford and need. Then there is a need for the airforce modernization and army hardware upgrade etc.

    The defence budget has to reach about a hundred billion dollars a year to support these and maintain them in proper working order. A capital budget of about fifty billion dollars a year would be needed to buy these either to make them locally or buy them abroad. Then comes the faster obselence to replace or upgrade the existing hardware.

    How much India can afford in ten years as a defence budget. I guess no more than eighty billion dollars, that that the economy doubles in ten years.

    Hence our eyes are bigget than our stomach. Forget Pakistan, they can never afford anything matching India. Chinese will double their budget in ten years to two hundred and fifty billion dollars, but their obligations with Japan, US 7th Fleet and Taiwan/Vietnam /Phillipines breathing down their neck are way too many that their arms build up will be way too insufficient to match all of them and against their combined might in a world war like situation.

    So, relax. Stay at the lead end of technology but curb your enthusiasm to be heavily militaristic state.
     
  8. Abhijeet Dey

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    Yes those Kirov class battlecruisers alongwith armaments (as mentioned in your post) will be a good deterrence against any Chinese misadventures. If there is a future war against Pakistan, PLA Air Force may come to Karachi and Gwadar for defence.

    But I think majority of India's nuclear deterrence should be sea based.
     

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