Several issues misunderstood by most Indians

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  1. Cloudy

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    It seems Indians are quite concerned about China, but actually many Indians don't know China at all. Whether you take China as a threat or a partner, you'd better learn something about us.

    Misconception 1: There is neither DEMOCRACY nor TALKING FREEDOM but ONE-PARTY DICTATORSHIP in China, SO people there don't feel happy at all.
    About DEMOCRACY:
    That's the main reason why many Indians misunderstand China.They think China is another North Korea, but it's totally WRONG.
    Yes, we cannot determine our new leader by voting. The new leader is elected only by the CPC's internal decision.
    Not only the president, but provincial governor and mayor, all the local chief officials are determined by senior governments.
    So what? Chinese people usually don't care about this. We even hadn't had the conception of "voting" until 100 years ago.
    In the 2000-year history, the administration system hadn't changed much.
    Though the government insist the current system is modern, it's actually based on the ancient one.
    Chinese people have already get used to it. If one day you tell us we have to elect our new mayor, most of people must get frightened, because we think it's not our responsibility.
    Chinese culture is totally different from the Western version.
    Though this system may be not as good as YOURS, but it SUITS China, and it runs not very badly, at least it performs better than YOURS.

    About TALKING FREEDOM:
    The talking freedom is limited. But the limitation itself is limited.
    You can talking about political issues with anyone regardless of his identity.
    If you are complaining that the CPC is fxxking bad, not only civilians, but all the bureaucrats will agree.
    Even for bureaucrats, their daily talking are often about blaming the policy.
    The police won't arrest you if you only said something bad about your gov to your neighborhood, this will only happen in North Korea.
    The RED LINE is you mustn't do this PUBLICLY. I mean, not on the social media or in public speeches and so on.
    Because in this way you're threatening the social stability. That's intolerable in any country.
    China needs development.
    The first point that development requires is social stability rather than democracy or talking freedom or other points.
    China do have many social problems, but it's because China was bullied by those Western countries so China is not developed yet.
    A not developed country must have many social problems because its economy is not developed.
    When China become developed, the TALKING FREEDOM will naturally be released.


    About ONE-PARTY DICTATORSHIP:
    One-party dictatorship doesn't mean falling behind.
    This is proved by the great progress made by China during the last 30 years.
    Our life are not influenced by this, or more accurately, we don't have to be bothered by deciding to vote for which party.
    Also we are benefited by the stable policy.
    When we become developed, the one-party system may change, but not NOW.

    To sum up, all the issues are due to CHINA IS NOT DEVELOPED ENOUGH.

    SO DO NOT IMPOSE YOUR MIND ON US.

    About HAPPINESS:
    How can you infer that we are not happy due to the problems of our political system?
    That's fxxking unreasonable.
     
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    Misconception 2: Chinese government is not as corrupt as Indian's, so China are developing much faster.
    That's a joke.
    The most serious shortcoming of our system is corruption.
    One-party system results in the lack of supervision, then corruption will rise.
    Comparing with India, China has 4 strong points:
    1. Most Chinese are not religious. We don't have to waste time on this. Chinese are hardworking, because we know "laziness means bitterness, and there is no god but yourself can save you."
    2. India is a multiracial country. Han is predominant in China. So our ethnic issues are not so severe as Indian's, though the issues are very troublesome for us.
    3. Though corrupt, Chinese government has a good executive capacity for one-party dictatorship.
    4. The most important point. Confucianism is the base of Chinese culture. It tell us how to make our country progressed.
     
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    Misconception 3: China is a superpower.
    If China is a superpower, Taiwan, Fishing Island, The South China Sea and Arunachal State (We call it The South Tibet Valley) would have been controlled by us.
    Teng has said "China will be a middle-level developed country in 2050s" and this prediction seems reasonable.
    China is not powerful enough in many aspects.
    If you insist to call China as a superpower, please add a suffix "of population".
    Though we believe this title will be India's in 20 years and we are glad to give it to you.
    Considering that maybe not all Indians are counted in the India's population survey, India may already be the most populous country.
    Chinese are modest and don't like to accept irrational titles.
     
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    Misconception 4: Many of Chinese products are bad in quality.
    We admit that many of Chinese products are bad. And we believe a great proportion of the Chinese products exported to India are bad in quality.
    Ourselves are suffering from our bad products.
    In fact, not so many.
    But for Indians I believe it must be much more severe. Why? Ask your officials in charge of importing.
    Those of good quality are exported to developed countries because they offer a higher payment and their importing check are much more strict.
    But when it comes to arm-industry, we ensure the quality are fairly good.
    Because nobody dare to take the responsibility of threatening the state security.
    Dictatorship confirms this.
     
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    Misconception 5: Chinese takes India as a threat.
    Chinese government may think so, but Chinese people may not.
    Actually, most Chinese are not concerned about India at all.
    In the past 20 years, When it came to India, most Chinese might think about Yoga, curry, Taj Mahal.
    Most Chinese were curious rather than hostile about India, because in <Journey to the West>, India was described as a state of Buddhism, and a great number of China believed most Indians were Buddhists, so they thought India is a holy land.
    But recently, with the internet getting popular, our impression for India has changed.
    Disgusting Ganges, poverty, amazingly crowded train, and most recently, COUNTRY OF RAPE.
    Especially for those who have taken a trip to India, their first impression is INDIA IS FXXKING DIRTY.
    India is too backward in nearly all aspects compared with China.
    That's because India has many stubborn issues hard to solve. For example, you must first get rid of the Caste System, but it seems too hard.
    Though the IT industry is something that Indians are proud of, we still can't feel the differences.
    Having Alibaba, we don't have to rely on Amazon and Paypal.
    Having Baidu, we don't have to rely on Google.
    Having Tencent, we don't have to rely on MSN and Skype, and we can enjoy various online games.
    Having Sina and Renren, we don't have to rely on FB and Twitter.
    Having Thunder, we don't have to rely on any other downloading tool.
    That's why Indian IT giants feel hard to open the Chinese market, for we don't need them at all.
    The only pity is that we don't have a Chinese version of Microsoft, but we are trying to build one.
    Our true threats are Japan, America and Russia.
    Your true threat is Pakistan and your bombing population, complex religious issues and the Caste system.
    India and China need to cooperate rather than to fight.
     
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    Misconception 6: Chinese people are short.
    That's what makes me lol.
    Indians are known to be short.
    Chinese men's avg height is 172.1cm while Indians' is 164.5cm. (From wikipedia)
    For people living in Northern China, this number is 175cm.
    I'm 185-cm tall, and in my hometown there're many people taller than me.
    In the past, Chinese are surely short due to shortage of food.
    Maybe your impression of Chinese is still based on 1962's Chinese solders. They might look short.
     
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    Misconception 7: Once a China-India war break out, India won't be defeated.
    India's arm industry is so weak that you have to import nearly all your equipment.
    Your reliance of arm import has ruined Indian arm industry.
    Why should we fear such a country?
    For all your weapons are the "most advanced"?
    So why your advanced jets keep falling down?
    Russians take India as an ATM and keep laughing at you for solving their problem.
    Why should Indians tolerate that?
     
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    Misconception 8: Mumbai is more prosperous than Shanghai.
    You'd better listen to the words of those Indians who have been to Shanghai.
    Let alone Shanghai, many second-level Chinese cities may be not worse than Mumbai.
     
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    OK, believe me or not doesn't matter.
    Indians should learn more about China if India really see China as a competitor.
    I'd be glad to answer your questions here as long as you're friendly to me.
     
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    "Bad" is a relative word.

    Chinese product work, but they have too many glitches and they breakdown fast.

    They are worth the money one puts in - every little as the costs are way low compared to the Western products.

    Therefore, as they say in India - jaisa kam, waisa dam (the cost decides efficiency).

    Therefore, compared to Western products, the Chinese products don't compare.

    But what of it?

    If you pay a pittance and it breaks down, you can always throw the low quality, low cost Chinese product and buy another and feel you have arrived like the Americans who wallow in their 'waste economy'.

    The Chinese products does make us feel good that we don't have to depend on our repair chaps and instead have the luxury to throw the defective stuff and buy again, without feeling the pinch!
     
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    Chinese themselves don't like Chinese product. Rich people always tend to choose foreign products, though these "foreign products" are often made in China LOLLLLL
     
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    Q: What do you call a Chinese dwarf?
    A: Tai Nee.

    Q: What do you call a Chinese woman on fire?
    A: Mel Ting.

    Q: What do you call a Chinese man with a camera?
    A: Phil Ming.

    Q: What do you call a Chinese woman with an opinion?
    A: Wong

    People from South China are short.
     
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    Who said that, infact Indians say Mumbai should be made like Shanghai.

    What will make Mumbai into a Shanghai?

    First clear your misconceptions about India before telling us.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    @Cloudy

    How many ghost towns are there in China that compare with Indian cities?
     
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    Every city whose mayor is trying to build a new urban district.
    For example, my city's northern part is a ghost town.
    I guess maybe there're tens of these kind of cities in China.
     
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    Misconception 1: There is neither DEMOCRACY nor TALKING FREEDOM but ONE-PARTY DICTATORSHIP in China, SO people there don't feel happy at all.

    Democracy is not only electing a Leader it is a Complete Package, Democracy allows
    Freedom of Speech,
    Opposition
    Independent Judiciary (SC)
    Independent Audit,Media,Investigation (In India CAG/CBI)
    It means Checks &balances to Control Govt
    Note:These Organs not immune to Corrupt,but they r evolve through time

    Misconception 2: Chinese government is not as corrupt as Indian's, so China are developing much faster.

    There is No Independent Media/Judiciary/Opposition/CBI,So no corruption is unveiled

    Note: 2 or3 exceptions are there still without Checks Corruption Increase, of-course Chinese r Humans


    Misconception 3: China is a superpower.

    Only Free people make Country Super so China has noway

    Misconception 4: All Chinese products are bad in quality.

    Who said ALL CHINESE products are Bad

    Misconception 5: Chinese takes India as a threat

    But not CCP

    Misconception 6: Chinese people are short.
    Any authentic source

    Misconception 7: Once a China-India war break out, India won't be defeated.
    Till 4 yrs before China is Major Importer of Weapons

    Misconception 8: Mumbai is more prosperous than Shanghai.
    No
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Yes we know that.

    Satellites give the game away and that cannot be hidden any more.
     
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    1.The most important feature of democracy is that every legal voter can vote for his leader freely. Separation of the three powers confirms this.
    2.Everyday corrupt bureaucrats are unveiled. It's just because you don't watch Chinese channels.
    3.Your theory should be proved.
    4.Angry Indian netizens active in many news websites like REDIFF. Though I may have to change the title.
    5.What's your meaning?
    6.I have only see several this kind of comments, but I fear that many Indians think so.
    7.But the main source of our weapons are our factories.
    8.As the 6th.
     
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    Nice propaganda with twisted facts and some truths in between.

    I am all for good relations between the two Dharmic religious people. we would like to project this commonality and India's soft power in China as well.

    regarding the above disguised threat

    Once India China war break out, it will be a loss to both the countries ...... more at stake to China than India.

    China has more number of enemies than India.

    Off late steps are taking place so fast in India to make the develop sophisticated weapons, I can safely say there is no technological gap between India and China. we have to produce more in number to counter China.

    Indian population lives next to the border and we have one of the largest armies in the world, Chinese hans have to travel all the way from the west china to Indo - Tibetan border as the war progress and drags on, logistical and supply problems increase.
     
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