self dependency of Air launcehed missiles

[sam29]

Till now we have not produced our own AAM or AGM whearas country like isreal,china have developed and are selling their version in the markets and earning huge FOREX we are still dependent on russian ,european markets

do we lack the capabilities my opinionn absolutely no
if we can make make PSLV,GSLV,Brahmos than ofsourse we can be self reliant in Air launched missiles too this can save huge tax payer money cause these missiles are very costly to buy


Astra still in a testing phase and by the time it will come it will still be behind

PL-12
MBDA metor

 

[Dark Sorrow]

do we lack the capabilities my opinionn absolutely no
if we can make make PSLV,GSLV,Brahmos than ofsourse we can be self reliant in Air launched missiles too this can save huge tax payer money cause these missiles are very costly to buy

We do lack technical capabilities and industrial base. We got lot of help from Germans for building PSLV and GSLV in return we promise not to militarize it. Hence we have a separate Agni program from Space Launch Vehicle program. Even today a lot of sub-assemblies of PSLV are imported from Germany.
Brahmos is heavily based on P-800 Oniks and could not be built without Russian support.
Finally India has a non-existent semi-conductor/sensor industry which is the basis for electronic industry needed to build such complex systems. Best example is that India lacks seeker technology and no country will give that to you as they know they can make more money by selling the entire missile e.g. Barak 8 (missile). If you carefully analyze you will find that India only works with Command and Control infrastructure and propulsion to the max. in such system but never the seeker or electronics.

 

[laughingbuddha]

What seeker tech in the Astra?

 

[Dark Sorrow]

What seeker tech in the Astra?

The Astra's seeker is still imported from Russia, but the DRDO hopes to develop one.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

The Astra's seeker is still imported from Russia, but the DRDO hopes to develop one.

The import of seeker was done with respect to deal that was signed in early or mid 90's when Russian was despirate for cash.

 

[charlie]

We do lack technical capabilities and industrial base. We got lot of help from Germans for building PSLV and GSLV in return we promise not to militarize it. Hence we have a separate Agni program from Space Launch Vehicle program. Even today a lot of sub-assemblies of PSLV are imported from Germany.
Brahmos is heavily based on P-800 Oniks and could not be built without Russian support.
Finally India has a non-existent semi-conductor/sensor industry which is the basis for electronic industry needed to build such complex systems. Best example is that India lacks seeker technology and no country will give that to you as they know they can make more money by selling the entire missile e.g. Barak 8 (missile). If you carefully analyze you will find that India only works with Command and Control infrastructure and propulsion to the max. in such system but never the seeker or electronics.

Can you please elaborate how Germans helped ? as far as I know only Russian were involved in the beginning of the program that also only on the first 2 or 3 PSLV's

We only use German connectors for PSLV & GSLV that also we can easily produce in India but it much more economical to buy those from Germany

 

[p2prada]

There is no major foreign involvement in PSLV and GSLV AFAIK.

There was Russian involvement in SLV. That's a different project.

 

[laughingbuddha]

No shame in availing foreign help in tech development. Everyone has to statt somewhere. The US and USSR had captured German tech to kickstart their programmes.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Can you please elaborate how Germans helped ? as far as I know only Russian were involved in the beginning of the program that also only on the first 2 or 3 PSLV's

We only use German connectors for PSLV & GSLV that also we can easily produce in India but it much more economical to buy those from Germany

1."In the late 1970s and throughout the 1980s, Germany helped India with three indispensable missile/rocket technologies: guidance, rocket-testing and composite materials."
2. "In 1978, Germany installed an interfero-meter on an Indian rockets and later transferred the technology to India.
3. "From 1982 to 1989, Germany helped India build a navigation system based on a Motorola microprocessor. During the same period, and following the same steps, India developed its own navigation system for missiles and rockets based on the same microprocessor."
4. "Germany also tested India's first large rocket in a wind tunnel at Cologne-Portz; it helped India build its own rocket test facility; and it trained Indians in glass and carbon fiber composites at Stuttgart and Braunschweig. These lightweight, heat-resistant fibers are ideal for missile nozzles and nose cones. To help India use the fibers, Germany provided the documentation for a precision filament winding machine, a sensitive item now controlled for export by other countries, including the United States."
5. "In 1993, India's procurement effort surfaced again. A Massachusetts company was charged with violating U.S. export laws by selling India components for a hot isostatic press. The press, which India obtained through the company's Scottish subsidiary, can be used to shape advanced composites for missile nose cones."

 

[sam29]

No shame in availing foreign help in tech development. Everyone has to statt somewhere. The US and USSR had captured German tech to kickstart their programmes.

very well said look at Chinese they copy whatever they can get ...nothing wrong if our national security is at stake ...beg borrow or steel but get it ....

 

[Eastman]

1."In the late 1970s and throughout the 1980s, Germany helped India with three indispensable missile/rocket technologies: guidance, rocket-testing and composite materials."
2. "In 1978, Germany installed an interfero-meter on an Indian rockets and later transferred the technology to India.
3. "From 1982 to 1989, Germany helped India build a navigation system based on a Motorola microprocessor. During the same period, and following the same steps, India developed its own navigation system for missiles and rockets based on the same microprocessor."
4. "Germany also tested India's first large rocket in a wind tunnel at Cologne-Portz; it helped India build its own rocket test facility; and it trained Indians in glass and carbon fiber composites at Stuttgart and Braunschweig. These lightweight, heat-resistant fibers are ideal for missile nozzles and nose cones. To help India use the fibers, Germany provided the documentation for a precision filament winding machine, a sensitive item now controlled for export by other countries, including the United States."
5. "In 1993, India's procurement effort surfaced again. A Massachusetts company was charged with violating U.S. export laws by selling India components for a hot isostatic press. The press, which India obtained through the company's Scottish subsidiary, can be used to shape advanced composites for missile nose cones."

Maybe you mean Soviet Germany (east Germany)

 

[Eastman]

some nostalgic moments of Indian rocket history
Sounding rocket:

One of the pioneer experimental vehicle for an Indian SAM

Project Devil Missile

 

[sam29]

Astra would be best BVRAAM when it will get inducted its the second version MK2 which IAF is betting on ...would be among the best of the world..AAM/AGM are very costly missiles and its imporatnt that we start making our own ...Israels/Chinese have bulit their own versions and are selling it also...

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Astra would be best BVRAAM when it will get inducted its the second version MK2 which IAF is betting on ...would be among the best of the world..AAM/AGM are very costly missiles and its imporatnt that we start making our own ...Israels/Chinese have bulit their own versions and are selling it also...

I really doubt that Astra will be best BVRAAM. We are still using R-77 seeker and yet to master/mature in electronic industry. It will be a learning curve and something needed for future development.

 

[laughingbuddha]

Won't be the best but credible and a stepping stone to greater things.
Hoping for speedy development of a reliable seeker and a desi LRSAM in the very near future.