SAARC Tanks: No Agreements Signed After Pakistan's Objections

[santosh10]

I wonder if BD is a threat.

It is important to ensure your flanks are secured. Hence, BD should be brought under the wings to the extent feasible.

An open flank is most dangerous to security.

@brational


and i wonder you said this

while on my side, i consider it the greatest threat imposed on India, the nation, for the way Bangladeshi infiltrators aren't controlled yet. as discussed in the thread as below, post#31,

//defenceforumindia.com/forum/internal-security/63875-bangladeshi-criminal-gangs-new-challenge-delhi-police-3.html#post955343

=> with that, we favor direct citizenship for the Bangladeshi and Pakistani people for US and its allies, if they want this in their country. but we dont want the shiits

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IM growing stronger in northeast, Bangladesh

NEW DELHI: Even as National Investigation Agency (NIA) has linked the Bodh Gaya blasts to Assam, intelligence agencies have found that Indian Mujahideen (IM) may have grown strong footprints in the north-east and Bangladesh. In fact, agencies have credible information that IM played a significant role in providing relief to displaced Muslims in the June 2012 Bodo-Muslim riots in Assam. :ranger:

Sources said during the 2012 strife, IM operatives used the network of certain mosques to mobilize funds from across the Hindi heartland and certain other areas to Assam to help victims from the minority community.

"There are reports of them having developed contacts with some religious groups in Assam and their activity has been significant in areas such as Dhubri. They have also developed footprints in Sylhet region of Bangladesh and are suspected to have developed pockets of influence in Myanmar-Bangladesh border region through LeT," said an intelligence official. :ranger:

"The objective of participating in relief operations in Assam seemed to be aimed at creation of an IM constitution and radicalization of Muslim youth at the wrong end of justice in the state," he added.

Notably, NIA investigations have found that the Lotus brand clocks used in the Bodh Gaya blasts were bought from a shop in Assam. Investigations also point out that these clocks were bought about a year before the blasts. That was precisely the time that riots broke out in Assam and relief operations were underway.

Arrested IM operatives Syed Maqbool and Imran Khan had revealed to investigating agencies in October last year that Bodh Gaya was one of the targets of IM to avenge atrocities on Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar. Though these developments point to an IM hand behind the July 7 blasts in Bodh Gaya, agencies say it could be a confluence of different forces including disaffected Rohingya Muslim groups which have been on the radar of groups such as LeT for recruitment.

Significantly, the Rakhine Buddhist-Rohingya Muslim confrontation of last year, which has been the trigger for a larger Buddhist-Muslim confrontation in several parts of Asia, had coincided with the Bodo-Muslim confrontation in lower Assam.

Intelligence agencies had then expressed fear that Rohingya refugees could add another insurgency to an already volatile mix of Assam. It was also said that the outflow of Rohingya refugees could lead to stronger contacts between Myanmar Muslims and regional Islamist militants. Such militants could recruit disaffected Rohingyas to their own cause.

"It is difficult to pinpoint any group at the moment as several forces have motive to harm Buddhists or their symbols. Though we have found that 13 clocks were bought from a shop in Assam, we cannot yet be sure if they were the same clocks used in the 13 bombs placed in the Bodh Gaya temple complex. We have also found evidence of some 50 Lotus clocks bought from another place. Why would a bomber buy exactly 13 clocks for 13 bombs? Why not more for contingency," asked an NIA officer.

//timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/IM-growing-stronger-in-northeast-Bangladesh/articleshow/21608922.cms

IM growing stronger in northeast, Bangladesh - The Times of India

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BSF gives list of 66 terror camps to Bangladesh
March 09, 2014

Shillong: The BSF has handed over a list of 66 camps of north-east insurgents to the Border Guard Bangladesh, seeking actions against them.

"We have requested our counterparts in Bangladesh for cooperation in dismantling the camps of insurgents from the region. We have handed over a list of 66 camps that exist in Bangladesh," Sudhir Kumar Srivastava, IG, BSF Assam Frontier, told reporters here on Sunday. :ranger:

The list was handed over at the 3-day bi-annual Inspector General level meeting of border management and coordination held from March 6 at the headquarters of Meghalaya Frontier of the BSF here.

The camps belonged to ULFA and NDFB (anti-talks) of Assam, PLA and KYKL of Manipur, NSCN (IM) of Nagaland besides those of the Tripura's NLFT and Meghalaya's HNLC and ANVC-B, the BSF official said.

Brig General HabibulKarim, Region Commander North East Region, who led a 20-member delegation from Bangladesh, had assured actions against those camps located all along the northern parts of Bangladesh, Srivastava said.

The inspectors general of Meghalaya, Assam, Tripura, Mizoram and Cachar frontiers of BSF officials attended the meeting along with an official representative of the Ministry of External Affairs.

"The meeting was held in a cordial atmosphere and discussed many issues like better border management, tackling smuggling of banned cough syrup Phensydyl and fake currency and reducing border crimes and dacoities," he said.

BSF also requested for early solution of disputes regarding erection of barbed wire fencing in some patches of the border, especially the single row fencing, he said.

Tripura, Meghalaya, Mizoram and Assam share a 1,880-km border with Bangladesh.

BSF gives list of 66 terror camps to Bangladesh | Zee News

//zeenews.india.com/news/south-asia/bsf-gives-list-of-66-terror-camps-to-bangladesh_916837.html

 

[brational]

I wonder if BD is a threat.

It is important to ensure your flanks are secured. Hence, BD should be brought under the wings to the extent feasible.

An open flank is most dangerous to security.

Nepal and Bhutan borders are open and these people do not take advantage of it. Even Nepali and Bhutanese don't need a passport to enter India. Whereas, Bangladesh Border is not open. 65% of the Border has been fenced and the remaining 35% is guarded by frequent border patrols.

It depends on our neighbors what kind of relationship they want with us. BD infiltration is happening with the support of BGB, Settling in Assam/Bengal and undertaking Jihadi activities are their motive. There are Terror camps in BD run by NSCN, NDFB and ULFA. BD govt is not acting on it. Recent IM, JMB incidences are well known. So it is obvious that BD is an emerging threat.

You have pointed out secured flanks, it can not be ensured until infiltrations are dealt with strongest possible method that includes immediate deportation of at least a million of them.

 

[santosh10]

Nepal and Bhutan borders are open and these people do not take advantage of it. Even Nepali and Bhutanese don't need a passport to enter India. Whereas, Bangladesh Border is not open. 65% of the Border has been fenced and the remaining 35% is guarded by frequent border patrols.

It depends on our neighbors what kind of relationship they want with us. BD infiltration is happening with the support of BGB, Settling in Assam/Bengal and undertaking Jihadi activities are their motive. There are Terror camps in BD run by NSCN, NDFB and ULFA. BD govt is not acting on it. Recent IM, JMB incidences are well known. So it is obvious that BD is an emerging threat.

You have pointed out secured flanks, it can not be ensured until infiltrations are dealt with strongest possible methods.

Nepal, Sri Lanka and Bhutan at very low population and non-Muslim states can't be compared to Bangladesh

its a simple case that population of Nepal and Bhutan is very low, and they aren't Muslims, hence no threat of Islamic Terrorism from there, like how we find "Indian" Muzahidin having increased participation of Pakistani and Bangladeshi members.....

the reason we find IM growing in North East region, having its members coming from Bangladeshi Infiltrators. and as its an overly populated country too, over 170million population, more than the largest country of world, Russia, in the categories of LDCs (Least Developed Countries), its a serious burden on India, the nation too.

rest, we may only request rest of the world like US/West to allow these people there, but we don't want shiits coming from either Bangladesh or Pakistan

 

[santosh10]

Chinese are funding some projects in Nepal and Bangladesh etc. Nothing much can be done about that. A country that built the great wall is hard to stop. In these days of air travel, borders are not good enough to stop people.

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No, we shouldn't support Xingjiang separatism. Separatism in Xingjiang is fueled by an Islamic separate state ideology, which has the potential to turn radical. Groups from Pakistan have sent feelers to Xingjiang separatists. India's best bet is to have nothing to do with Xingjiang, let Paki-Islamic groups run their course in Xingjiang, and in doing that, let China feel the bite of having supported Pakistan, much in the same way Pakistan is feeling the bite of terrorist groups it supported.

Pakistan and Bangladesh "as a State" Vs a Source of Export of Islamic Fanaticism

Pakistan always stands between two aspects, first as a State for its own people only, and the second and the most powerful aspect is the religion, fighting for Islam in world. similarly we always find Bangladesh start exporting Islamic Fanatic people to promote Islam. a difference between China, which reduce population, and Pakistan+Bangladesh, which have increased their population from 34million and 36million in 1947 respectively, to over 180million and 170million respectively at present.....

and then even a friendly country like China struggle with his friends, Pakistan+Bangladesh. whether they would speak to a 'state' of Pakistan, or would be worried with a country which has become a center of export of Islamic terrorism. and the consequences China facing on its bordering state of Xinjiang.....

similar things we find about US and UK too, whenever they keep any sympathy for the immigrants of Pakistan+Bangladesh, these communities suddenly become a source of increase of Muslim population in Britain, heavily dependent on Social Security because of big families this way, along with increase in Islamic Fanaticism in UK too this way....

Risk of poverty is unevenly spread in terms of region, ethnicity, household structure and disability status. Over half (52%) of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are in relative poverty, while children living in families with at least one disabled member have a 29% chance of living in poverty, compared with 20% for those living in families with no disabled member. The additional costs associated with (religious) disability mean that a narrow focus on incomes does not fully capture the levels of disadvantage experienced

bristol.ac.uk/poverty/downloads/keyofficialdocuments/CONDEM%20-poverty-report.pdf

and this is how the Western countries struggle with immigrants of India, China as compare to Pakistan+Bangladesh. your support for Pakistan+Bangladesh suddenly brings you on the side of supporting rise of Islamic Fanaticism within UK/US. while Indian-Chinese with low population but are rising because of higher competency as compare to the locals in western nations.....
(here, if i say that population of Pakistani+Bangladeshi Muslims combined, would be higher than the population of Indians+Chinese combined in Britain/UK, people here would laugh but its a truth on the ground level, check. china and India, the two largest population countries.....)

=> to clear this topic more, have you ever heard India as a center of exporting Hindu Terrorism to China, while it share such a long border with China? i hope none in world might have made this joke before, even if India and China have fought wars in past, and are open rivals. neither you would have heard that Russia exporting Orthodox Christian terrorism to China, even if they too have fought wars with each others in 50s and 60s. but whenever you hear any bomb blast in Xinjiang state of China, you would find the source of its support came from the terror groups based in Pakistan. even if Pakistan is one of the closest ally of China, one of China's best friend "as a state of Pakistan", sharing very small border with China with this state only

Uighurs and China's Xinjiang Region

XUAR (Xinxiang Uighur Autonomous Region), or East Turkistan, is a territory in western China that accounts for one-sixth of China's land and is home to about twenty million people from thirteen major ethnic groups, the largest of which (more than eight million) is the Uighurs [PRON: WEE-gurs], a predominantly Muslim community with ties to Central Asia. The Uyghur American Association (UAA) says that East Turkistan is a part of Central Asia, not of China. Some Uighurs call China's presence in Xinjiang a form of imperialism, and there have been movements for independence since the1990s through separatist groups like the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), inflamed in part by large migrations of Han Chinese to the region.

In February 2012, at least a dozen people died after being attacked on the street by Muslims armed with knives near Kashgar, the western part of Xinxiang located near China's border with Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. After the Chinese government said the men involved had links to terrorists in Pakistan, a Chinese woman was also killed in Pakistan in what was considered a retaliatory attack. China claims the rioters were trained in Pakistan and has asked Pakistan to take "credible measures" to safeguard its citizens. XUAR shares borders with five Muslim countries--Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, and Pakistan--which seems to be a Chinese concern. The China-Pakistan relationship in particular has been strained by the recent killings, and questions about China's traditional friendship with Pakistan are rising.

Terrorism and Counterterrorism

During the 1990s, Uighur separatist groups in Xinjiang began frequent attacks against the Chinese government. The most famous of these groups was the ETIM, labeled as a terrorist organization by China, the United States, and the UN Security Council. China claims the group has links to al-Qaeda and says that they were trained in jihadi terror camps in Pakistan to launch attacks in Urumqi. Reports say Pakistani officials have also admitted that the militants in western China have ties to the Pakistani Taliban and other militants in northwestern Pakistani regions along the Afghan border. Pakistan, a close ally, has assured China of full support to contain terrorism in China. Concern about Uighur terrorism flared in August 2008--just days before the Beijing Olympics--when two men attacked a military police unit (NYT) in Xinjiang, killing sixteen.

The Chinese government has taken steps to combat both separatists and terrorists in its western province and monitors religious activity in the region to keep religious leaders from spreading separatist views. Since September 11, 2001, China has raised international awareness of Uighur-related terrorism and linked its actions to the Bush administration's so-called war on terror.

But many experts say China exaggerates the danger posed by Uighur terrorists. While China has accused the Uighurs of plotting thousands of attacks, Andrew J. Nathan, a China expert at Columbia University, says, "You have to be very suspicious of those numbers."

Some experts, including Bequelin, say China's anti-separatist campaign provokes resentment, which can lead to more terrorism. But others say China's counterterrorism measures have been somewhat successful. A review of U.S. State Department documents shows a decrease in Uighur-related terrorism since the end of the 1990s. ETIM, classified as a terrorist organization during the Bush administration, is not listed as Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) anymore in the list updated in January 2012.

A 2010 report from the Congressional Research Service examines U.S.-China cooperation on counterterrorism, noting that tensions remain over handling Uighurs. The United States refused to hand over five Uighurs who had been captured by U.S. forces in Pakistan in 2001, despite Chinese calls to do so. After their release from Guantanamo Bay in May 2006, the Uighurs were instead transferred to Albania. In June 2009, four Uighurs who had been detained at Guantanamo were resettled in Bermuda.

Thirteen other Uighur detainees, said to be resettled in Palau, have not yet been resettled or returned to China. Though a U.S. district court ordered their release, the ruling was overturned by a U.S. Court of Appeals, which ruled that the district court "did not have the power to override immigration laws and force the executive branch to release foreigners into the United States." The issue is further complicated as the Congress passed legislation to prevent the transfer of detainees from Guantanamo to the United States.

Uighurs and China's Xinjiang Region - Council on Foreign Relations[/url]

 

[pmaitra]

Narendra Modi offers vaccine to polio-hit Saarc nations, puts Pakistan in a bind - The Economic Times :ranger:

This is a masterstroke. Pakistan risks being isolated in SAARC, plus this will be a propaganda coup for India.

 

[santosh10]

This is a masterstroke. Pakistan risks being isolated in SAARC, plus this will be a propaganda coup for India.

Bangladeshi infiltration is now the biggest challenge imposed on India, on its people. here Pakistan is just a bluff in this regard :ranger:

ISI funding insurgency in North East, says ex-ISI chief

Bangladesh is a hot destination for the ISI in its attempt to wage a full-fledged battle against India, reports Vicky Nanjappa.

Pakistan's former Inter-Services Intelligence chief Assad Durani has made a startling before the Pakistan Supreme Court. Durani told the court that the Pakistan spy agency had been meddling with India's affairs in the North East.

India has been claiming what the former ISI chief has stated since a very long time. India has also said that the operations in the North East, which have several instances of insurgencies, are all being funded by the ISI. The Harkat-ul-Jihadi in particular has been causing a great deal of trouble in both the North Eastern states. According to Durrani, the ISI had paid Rs 50 crore to former prime minister Khaleeda Zia during the 1991 elections.

The nexus between the ISI and the Directorate General of Forces Intelligence in Bangladesh is not new. The Indian intelligence had termed the DGFI as the cousin of the ISI which works with the Jamait-e-Islami, which used to be a political ally of the BNP government that Durrani claims to have funded. During the last ten years, according to Intelligence Bureau sources, nearly 9,000 trained jihadis from various countries like Pakistan and the Middle East were sent to Bangladesh from where they were to launch operations against India and other western countries.

[rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-isi-funding-insurgency-in-north-east-says-ex-isi-chief/20120320.htm]

ISI funding insurgency in North East, says ex-ISI chief - Rediff.com News

 

[Ray]

Nepal and Bhutan borders are open and these people do not take advantage of it. Even Nepali and Bhutanese don't need a passport to enter India. Whereas, Bangladesh Border is not open. 65% of the Border has been fenced and the remaining 35% is guarded by frequent border patrols.

It depends on our neighbors what kind of relationship they want with us. BD infiltration is happening with the support of BGB, Settling in Assam/Bengal and undertaking Jihadi activities are their motive. There are Terror camps in BD run by NSCN, NDFB and ULFA. BD govt is not acting on it. Recent IM, JMB incidences are well known. So it is obvious that BD is an emerging threat.

You have pointed out secured flanks, it can not be ensured until infiltrations are dealt with strongest possible method that includes immediate deportation of at least a million of them.

I would like to mention that earlier there was no force along the Indo Nepal border. Now there is.

The SSB (Sashastra Seema Bal) under Ministry of Home Affairs have been assigned the duties of manning the Nepal and Bhutan borders.

It is not only to check smuggling and illegal activities, but also to ensure that terrorists from Nepal (it is conduit for ISI trained terrorists) to India

 

[DingDong]

Pakistan or no Pakistan India will sign those deals with her neighbours. Most of India's neighbours look at these deals favourably.

Death of SAARC will not be beneficial for the South Asian nations who wish to counter India's influence. SAARC provided a forum to the smaller bi&chy neighbours where they could gang up against India.

Desperation of few SAARC members to include China in the regional grouping proves that India's clout in the region is increasing. We had suffered temporary setback, but we have managed to recover quickly.

Maldives is the next nation which has to be put in it's place, quickly and effectively.

 

[brational]

I would like to mention that earlier there was no force along the Indo Nepal border. Now there is.

The SSB (Sashastra Seema Bal) under Ministry of Home Affairs have been assigned the duties of manning the Nepal and Bhutan borders.

It is not only to check smuggling illegal activities, but also to ensure that terrorists from Nepal (it is conduit for ISI trained terrorists) to India

SSB's deployment is rather ceremonial, you wont find them all along the border, both on Nepal and Bhutan. They are majorly deployed in forest areas to stop movement of the extremists based upon past incidents of Ulfa and Ndfb camps in Bhutan and KLO in Nepal. But they are not playing any role in checking umarmed infiltration, though it is not relevant (very low security threat) as Nepali and Bhutanese are not agressive . Thats the reason I have mentioned Open Borders.

 

[santosh10]

I would like to mention that earlier there was no force along the Indo Nepal border. Now there is.

The SSB (Sashastra Seema Bal) under Ministry of Home Affairs have been assigned the duties of manning the Nepal and Bhutan borders.

It is not only to check smuggling and illegal activities, but also to ensure that terrorists from Nepal (it is conduit for ISI trained terrorists) to India

@DingDong

more people to people contact between Bangladesh+Pakistan with India, will help us read more news like as below.and these growing activities have a back from US+UK to an extent, i do see :ranger:

this effort to bring Bangladeshi Muslims closer to India to fuel these things here, while showing "Pakistan not Happy", does put Mr Nadendra Modi a person on doubt :thumb:

If India Attacks Pak, Indian Muslims Will Join Pak Army: Owaisi

SRINAGAR: Firebrand Indian politician Asadudin Owaisi has called upon Indian Muslims to join Pakistani forces in case India attacks the country, a poster making rounds on social media claims. The Hindi poster that has Owaisi's picture reads, "Hindus should not consider Indian Muslims separated from their fellow Muslims of Pakistan. If India dares to attack Pakistani, 250 million Indian Muslims will join Pakistan army to wage war against India."

Owaisi is the lone parliament member of his All India Majlis Itihadul Muslimeen(All India Council of the Union of Muslims), from Andhra Pradesh. AIMIM is a Muslim political partyin Hyderabad, India. It has retained Hyderabad Lok Sabha seat since 1984. In 2014 Telangana Legislative Assembly elections, AIMIM won seven seats. Till April 2014,AIMIM was not even a recognised state-level party by Election Commission of India(because AIMIM did not meet the requirement of securing 6% of the total valid votes polls in the last general election, or winning 9 Assembly seats).

Owaisi has declared he will contest on several seats in upcoming Mahrashtra state elections. Asaduddin Owaisi, 45, known for his provocative speeches, along with his brother Akbaruddin, has been harboring a dream since years to take their party to a national level. They are also planning to contest assembly elections in Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Gujarat and other states. the Muslim parliamentarian was part of the India's six-member "young parliamentarians" group that visited Australia to further improve Indo-Australia relations.

kashmirobserver.net/news/if-india-attacks-pak-indian-muslims-will-join-pak-army-owaisi

 

[santosh10]

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and obviously, the call of Al Qaeda as below would simply help Bangladeshi Muslims, where growing activities of Indian Muzahidin is also seen nowdays :ranger:

Al-Qaeda chief's 'intifada' call in Bangladesh
2014-02-15

An audio tape purportedly from the Al-Qaeda has called on the Muslims in Bangladesh to wage a battle to protect Islam before claiming that the idea of the Bengali nation has not worked out. :ranger:

Its chief Ayman al-Zawahiri in the clip interprets the Bengali struggle for freedom from Pakistan in a way that is chillingly similar to the one offered by the Jamaat-e-Islami.

Again, the global terror network is on the same wavelength with the Islamist party, which is facing calls for a ban for 1971 atrocities, that the ongoing war crimes trial only aims to harass Islamic scholars
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The militant leader in the clip can be heard charging the government with killing 'thousands of people' during last year's crackdown on the violent rally by Hifazat-e Islam – in an echo of claims made by the Chittagong-based outfit along with the BNP and the Jamaat.

The recording with the call to arms has hurried the Hifazat, perceived to be bankrolled by the Jamaat, into denying any ties with the al-Qaeda.

Speaking in Arabic on the tape released on a website used for militant audios and videos, the Egyptian-born surgeon derides the Bangladesh government for being anti-Islam and secular. The terror outfit's outrage at the trial of the Jamaat-e-Islami leaders is also palpable.

The entire clip lasting 28 minutes and 58 seconds titled "Bangladesh: Massacre Behind a Wall of Silence" features message by al-Zawahiri, who appears only in a still image, along with other images, including the Hifazat rally.

A copy of the supposed al-Zawahiri recording is available with bdnews24.com.

There, he claims that "a massacre of Muslims is being carried out these days" and "the western media is colluding with the killers to belittle its significance and hide the facts".

"This is the bloodbath taking place in Bangladesh, without the Muslims paying least attention to it," the Egyptian-born eye surgeon, thought to be in hiding in Pakistan or Afghanistan, observes.

The first two minutes of the clip screen footage of last year's May 5 police action at a Hifazat-e Islam rally in Dhaka. Then speaks Zawahiri, hitting out at the Western media's alleged silence on 'how Muslims are massacred in Bangladesh'.

Letting rip at the creation of Bangladesh, he says it has not worked as a nation born more than 40 years ago 'to protect the independence, glory, honour and freedom of its people'.

The al-Qaeda chief's tirade appears to have been provoked by the war crimes trials.

Jamaat leader Abdul Quader Molla has already been hanged, drawing condolences in Pakistan's Parliament which said he was hanged to death because "he was loyal to Pakistan and supported Pakistan army during the 1971 war".

Several other Jamaat leaders face death and life sentences. In addition, many Jamaat leaders and activists are in jail on charges of involvement with violence last year.

Zawahiri in the clip says: "Bangladesh is the victim of a conspiracy in which the agents of India, the corrupt leadership of Pakistan Army, and treacherous power-hungry politicians of Bangladesh and Pakistan"¦ :ranger:

"However the real victim was the Muslim Ummah in the subcontinent generally, and in Bangladesh and Pakistan specifically.

"The crimes that are being committed in Bangladesh today against the core beliefs of Islam, the prophet of Islam (peace be upon him), and the Muslim Ummah are only the fruits of the rotten seeds sown by these criminals.

"Their purpose was not independence from Pakistan, stopping the aggression against the people of Bangladesh or getting rid of military rule in Pakistan.

Continues the 62-year old: "None of these was the real objective... The real purpose was weathering the Muslim Ummah in the subcontinent.

"It was to rip the Ummah apart into pieces, bleed it to death by getting it entangled in mutual strife, regional conflicts and wars.

"Above all, their purpose was to attack the real capital of this Ummah, and the secret of its strength, the Islamic faith," the man is heard saying in the audio tape.

"Those who allied with India against Pakistan by claiming that they sought to defend the honour and sanctities of Bengalis are the same people who are attacking the sanctities, beliefs, honour, lives and properties of Bengalis today.

"Bangladesh, which they claimed to have won from Pakistan so that it may get its freedom, is being turned into a subjugated surrogate of India."
The al-Qaeda boss then launches a passionate appeal.

"My Muslim brothers in Bangladesh, I invite you to confront this crusader onslaught against Islam, which is being orchestrated by the leading criminals in the subcontinent and the West against Islam, the prophet of Islam and the Islamic creed, so that they may turn you into slaves of a despotic and disbelieving system," he says.

The Jamaat, Hifazat and other ultra-right groups in Bangladesh and elsewhere over the past months and years also called for 'uprising' against the Awami League government and attacked it for upholding secularism, equating it with atheism.

Zawahiri does not threaten specific attacks but the hatred of the pro-independence government among the Islamists shows how dangerously it is living.
Describing Bangladesh as a 'huge prison', the audio tape says the honour and dignity of Muslims is at stake in the country.

Zawahiri, who is believed to have clandestinely visited Bangladesh many times, called on Bangladeshis "to gather around the true scholars of Islam, support them and protect them."

"I invite you to back them and support them and guard them. And I invite you to launch a massive public uprising in defence of Islam against the enemies of Islam," the Al Qaeda chief says in the audio.

"I invite the leading Islamic scholars [Ulamaye keram] of Bangladesh to fulfil the role that Islam has given them."

The al-Qaeda leader used the word 'intifada' in his message, which in Arabic literally means shaking-off, but is usually translated in English as uprising, resistance or rebellion.

"I invite you to lead the masses in a vast and inclusive proper uprising [intifada] whose tide does not recedes, nor its dynamism subsides, until the Shariah of Islam governs the land of Islam, instead of being governed over until it becomes the authority, instead of being subjected to 'authority', and until it leads the way, instead of being led."

//bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2014/02/15/al-qaeda-chief-s-intifada-call-in-bangladesh

 

[santosh10]

double post

 

[sgarg]

@santosh10, you raise many valid points. As I said, India lives in a complex security environment. There are a number of problems inside (related to internal security) in addition to external security.

The solution to these problems requires concerted action of all citizens.

I think some of the problems will remain unsolved for some more time. The problem of Islamic terrorism is a very serious and urgent problem that stares India in its face. This problem needs to be faced with courage and valour.

It is not only the central government but state governments also have to play a big role.

India needs to cultivate sane voices while taking action against violent elements. Again this is not as easy as it sounds but India will need to have access to Bangladesh.

Ultimately India will have to take action inside Bangladesh.

 

[Nicky G]

Pakistan or no Pakistan India will sign those deals with her neighbours. Most of India's neighbours look at these deals favourably.

Death of SAARC will not be beneficial for the South Asian nations who wish to counter India's influence. SAARC provided a forum to the smaller bi&chy neighbours where they could gang up against India.

Desperation of few SAARC members to include China in the regional grouping proves that India's clout in the region is increasing. We had suffered temporary setback, but we have managed to recover quickly.

Maldives is the next nation which has to be put in it's place, quickly and effectively.

The bold part has always been my view of SAARC. India is herself providing a platform for the smaller countries to gang-up, so to speak. That might not have been India's intention for SAARC but I am confident that's how the others view it and as you said their desire to include China speaks volumes in this regard.

I'd much rather India deal with these countries in a bi-lateral manner.

 

[rock127]

This SAARC meet again shows that Pakistan is the "Problem Child" of not just the region but the whole world.

When everyone wants to move towards cooperation and development these Terrorist Pakis are hell bent on going backwards and spoil everything.

 

[sgarg]

The bold part has always been my view of SAARC. India is herself providing a platform for the smaller countries to gang-up, so to speak. That might not have been India's intention for SAARC but I am confident that's how the others view it and as you said their desire to include China speaks volumes in this regard.

I'd much rather India deal with these countries in a bi-lateral manner.

Countries can gang up even without SAARC. SAARC is not a platform for anti-India activities. SAARC is a platform for economic integration of South Asia.

We need to continue dialog with other South Asian countries as well as China. China is already there in South Asia. We cannot wish away Chinese presence.

We always have to look at the big picture. Shutting borders is not an effective way of achieving security.

 

[santosh10]

Countries can gang up even without SAARC. SAARC is not a platform for anti-India activities.

you wrong

Pakistan+Bangladesh, as a highly Muslim population is a threat/design for anti-India activities/sentiments, because of very high Islamic Fanatic population.

and we have to defend ourselves on the border, check any increase in people to people connectivity between our people with these two rogue neighbors of India :thumb:

we don't believe in SAARC, expect burden on our border, because of our geographical conditions

 

[santosh10]

This SAARC meet again shows that Pakistan is the "Problem Child" of not just the region but the whole world.

When everyone wants to move towards cooperation and development these Terrorist Pakis are hell bent on going backwards and spoil everything.

till now we had news of Indian Muzahidin like Azmal Kasab coming from Pakistan with Hindu type red stings on hands, with growing Indian Muzahidin on the north east region of India because of increased participation of Bangladeshi Infiltrators. while now we find Muslims of India too having the type of news as below

Indian jihadist 'kills 55 for ISIS, quits because no pay'

An Islamic State recruit from Greater Mumbai was intercepted in Turkey, and then interrogated and arrested by India's secret service. Suspected of killing up to 55 people, he allegedly left because they didn't pay enough, India's media reported.

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India's Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS), National Investigation Agency (NIA) and Intelligence Bureau (IB) officials have all arrived in Istanbul to take Kalyan city native Areeb Majeed into custody, Mid-Day quoted a senior airport official as saying.

Following an eight-hour interrogation, authorities took the suspect into NIA custody. Majeed appeared in court on Saturday, where the judge decided that he will remain in NIA custody until December 8.

There are conflicting reports as to how Majeed got to the Islamic State's (IS, formerly ISIS or ISIL) camp in Iraq and what kind of attacks he was involved in.

"He is suspected to have killed around 55 people as part of ISIS and he returned because he was not paid by the terrorist group," a senior IB official told Mid-Day.

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Other media reports suggest the opposite. Citing other anonymous sources, the Hindustan Times said the IS allegedly gave Majeed $2,000 to cover treatment for injuries received during fighting in Iraq. If that is the truth, local authorities suspect that the Islamic State planned Majeed's homecoming to India for some purpose.

"During combat, he was shot in the chest while a second bullet grazed him. When a medical facility where he was being treated was destroyed in an air raid, he crossed over to Turkey," an unnamed central counter-terror officer said. Majeed then contacted his family to discuss his return home.

"We have reason to suspect what Majeed has told us so far. Not only was he given money by IS fighters, he was allowed to leave territory controlled by them. It is quite possible he may have contacted his father on their instructions. We need to verify and re-verify all his claims. That's why the NIA was allowed to register a case against him," the official said.

'How I joined ISIS'
The 23-year-old ended up fighting for the Islamic State after visiting "more than 20,000" jihadi websites while living in Kalyan, DNAIndia reported. The outlet suggested that after this wild jihad-surf the youngster became self-radicalized.

Majeed, along with three friends, decided to travel to Iraq to join the radical Islamist group.

"Majeed has told his interrogators the IS does all its recruitment online. Its spotters visit jihadi websites and contact possible candidates through social media. That was how he was spotted," the Hindustan Times said, quoting another officer.

One of the IS contacts paid for their travel, which was reportedly arranged under the cover of a pilgrimage tour to Iraq.

The four young men arrived in Baghdad at the end of May. They were instructed to separate from their tour group and take a taxi to Fallujah, which is close to the current IS stronghold in Mosul.

Another IS contact helped the recruits reach a camp, where they were brainwashed about the group's ideology, media reports quoted security officials as saying.

Afterwards, they were moved to an Islamic State training camp, where all four were taught how to use AK-47s and explosives.

While still quite confusing and sketchy, Majeed's story may soon have interesting developments, as his three other friends were also due to travel back to India in the next couple of days, according to DNAIndia.

//rt.com/news/210091-isis-india-recruit-quit-arrested/

 

[santosh10]

India needs to cultivate sane voices while taking action against violent elements. Again this is not as easy as it sounds but India will need to have access to Bangladesh.

Ultimately India will have to take action inside Bangladesh.

you are wrong again

we dont want any action in other countries, including Bangladesh, as we may defend our Indo-BD border with the resources available in our country, within :thumb:


we are well capable to destroy/eliminate any incoming threats to our people/society, and hence we need not to worry how this overly populated Muslim country deal with its internal problems, the Bangladesh. we simply aren't worried with others, except our international obligations

 

[santosh10]

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a long time we discussed, "if I would like to have neighbors of India then i would dream it to be located in South America, in the neighborhood of South American countries."

and whenever we have a look on the state of Pakistan and Bangladesh type overly populated Islamic Fanatic countries, and its consequences on India as whole, then i only remember the statement of a former Indian PM as below

"We can change history but not geography. We can change our friends but not our neighbors."
--Indian Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee

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