Russia to develop a second 5G bird besides PAK-FA

[LETHALFORCE]

I wonder if India has placed conditions that technology developed in PAKFA from Indian financing cannot be used in other planes??

 

[ganesh177]

I wonder if India has placed conditions that technology developed in PAKFA from Indian financing cannot be used in other planes??

I dont think india can do that if its russia itself who wants to build another 5g plane carry forwarding the major techs from pakfa.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

I wonder if India has placed conditions that technology developed in PAKFA from Indian financing cannot be used in other planes??

i guess india also intends to develop crucial technologies in the amca project from the learning from the pak-fa joint project

 

[BunBunCake]

news from Russia

Russian's vice PM Sergai. Ivanov said that Russia is to develope a second 5G bird, beside PAK-FA.

According to Ivonov's word, the second 5G bird might be more high-end than PAK-FA and not for export!

Yea, where are they going to get the money for this?
@Not for export is a big BS. Russia sells EVERYTHING it makes. Russia is a poor country.

 

[EagleOne]

havent seen this news any were except here
actually there has been an announcement of second prototype on 22/11

hope this is not some thing like:

the boss of the company initiates a mail to invite his staff to witness an eclipse and how his message is passed by employees at different levels in the hierarchy and finally how it reaches to the staff"¦

Mail from CEO to Manager:

Today at 11 o'clock there will be a total eclipse of the sun. This is when the sun disappears behind the moon for two minutes. As this is something that cannot be seen every day, time will be allowed for employees to view the eclipse in the parking lot. Staff should meet in the lot at ten to eleven, when I will deliver a short speech introducing the eclipse, and giving some background information. Safety goggles will be made available at a small cost.

Mail from Manager to Department Head:

Today at ten to eleven, all staff should meet in the car park. This will be followed by a total eclipse of the sun, which will appear for two minutes. For a moderate cost, this will be made safe with goggles. The CEO will deliver a short speech beforehand to give us all some information. This not something that can be seen everyday.

Mail from Dept. Head to Floor Manager:

The CEO will today deliver a short speech to make the sun disappear for two minutes in the form of an eclipse. This is something that cannot be seen every day, so staff will meet in the car park at ten or eleven. This will be safe, if you pay a moderate cost.

Mail from Floor Manager to Supervisor:

Ten or eleven staff are to go to the car park, where the CEO will eclipse the sun for two minutes. This doesn't happen every day. It will be safe, and as usual it will cost you.

Mail from Supervisor to Staff:

Some staff will go to the car park today to see the CEO disappear. It is a pity, this doesn't happen everyday.

 

[civfanatic]

Yea, where are they going to get the money for this?
@Not for export is a big BS. Russia sells EVERYTHING it makes. Russia is a poor country.

Wow, I had no idea Topols were exported :emot15:

 

[captonjohn]

The second 5G bird would be most likely a miniature of PAKFA to make a lighter 5th generation aircraft. But how many numbers can they produce with their own money without selling it? Probably not more than 50.

 

[Tshering22]

well, If Russia really is to develope a second 5G project for Russian airforce only, T50 might prove to be just a joint low-end bird for export only,just like joint JF17!

FYI VVS is also aiming for 300 PAKFAs. Now tell me how many FC-1s have you intended to buy? Or are you telling me that the China that can manufacture a stealth fighter in 10 years so fast is now taking 3 years to simply "evaluate" a light fighter for herself? Come on!

It is nothing new that VVS would want a lighter F-35 version for itself. This is where Russians lagged before throughout F-16 era: not having a light single engine multirole fighter. So now they want to get their own JSF. And BTW, a stealth jet has more than just borrowed aspects from F-22, JSF and PAKFA designs in looks, that makes it lethal. You know it very well. Do you think we are as desperate and failed as Pakistanis are to accept any junk in our inventory when even back in early 90s, IAF wanted AESA radars on Tejas itself?

VVS's idea of a stealth fighter is to counter the F-22 just in case you forgot and "low end export only" jets won't do that. You should stop confusing us with your carpet rollers the Pakistanis you know. Better remove your sunglasses and see the light. And unless you are forgetting we have our own project the AMCA as well, on which work has started.

 

[Tshering22]

The second 5G bird would be most likely a miniature of PAKFA to make a lighter 5th generation aircraft. But how many numbers can they produce with their own money without selling it? Probably not more than 50.

Man testing the waters and actually committing serious cash to a project has a lot of difference. One is "we are planning to" another one is "we are doing it". Right now, VVS needs to replace 1,980 fighter jets roughly with latest technology. You seriously think that Russia has the cash to replace all that with say 1,000 PAKFAs and 980 new-whatever-they're-planning?

So let us not jump the gun now itself. Let's see what Russians really go for apart from considering in this case. It is funny how some readers will dismiss PAKFA as a "pacification for India" as BG said here after knowing how obsessed and over-ambitious IAF is already considering that it wanted a Typhoon, Rafale and Gripen combined in 1 Tejas in 1980s itself. LOL!

Imagine what IAF would do to incorporate the best tech and gain best know-how out of a project in which it intends to put a total of $30 billion. :happy_3:

It would play a pivotal role in shaping of AMCA---especially with our increased know-how of composites, mission computers, large LED screens and digital flight control systems making capability gained for Tejas. Only issues would be a powerful 100+KN engine and a really powerful AESA radar AND the bureaucracy to get it airborne.

 

[gogbot]

well, If Russia really is to develope a second 5G project for Russian airforce only, T50 might prove to be just a joint low-end bird for export only,just like joint JF17!

If you think the Pak-Fa is low end , what does that make this other 5th gen plane
If so China needs to really worry about its northern neighbor.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

news from Russia

Russian's vice PM Sergai. Ivanov said that Russia is to develope a second 5G bird, beside PAK-FA.

According to Ivonov's word, the second 5G bird might be more high-end than PAK-FA and not for export!

English?

Their is no news such as 'Beside PAK-FA..'

Provide reliable links..

Thnx..

 

[Anil Sankar]

They will not be able to finance development of a second fifth gen plane when India more or less saved the whole PAKFA project by providing financing,at one time Russians wanted Brazil involved because they had no money to develop this on their own.

That is really no good. It is just like first they got our money, and now they marry a second wife.

How is the dignity and integrity is the Russian when comes to using our funds?

We must starts auditing, check each and every single cents that they are using, and all expanses must be accounted for!:angry_10:

 

[LETHALFORCE]

That is really no good. It is just like first they got our money, and now they marry a second wife.

How is the dignity and integrity is the Russian when comes to using our funds?

We must starts auditing, check each and every single cents that they are using, and all expanses must be accounted for!:angry_10:

why are we giving money first and then worrying about the terms later???

 

[Rahul92]

I don't think there is any such project and any way why should we worry about it Russia will sell it neither to China nor Pakistan

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I don't think there is any such project and any way why should we worry about it Russia will sell it neither to China nor Pakistan

Even if Russia sell it to china or any-other, It doesn't concern us..

But

What is important is how far we are confided enough in self-reliance..
Russia will sale it fighter to them in future sometime ( Next 20years or 50 ) and we have no reason to interfere, but what we should is to boost our own knowledge and our own muscles..

 

[ganesh177]

Crappy chinese source is not reliable. There is no such news anywhere else.

 

[Minghegy]

The site is operated by RIA Novosti, news on it are reliable.
You can use google translator to read this news, although it didn't mentioned PAK-FA, but sure the Russian have their reserves.

PAK-FA seems an export type, just like F-35 to U.S..
Anyway, I think PAK-FA still is the best (or only) choice for India, they can teach you how to design fighter, only Russia can offer this to India.

 

[A.V.]

The second 5th generation fighter program is a design by MIG as single engine variant and probably titled LMFS , light weight multi functional istravitel , the work on its blue print started on 2009 , and most of the paper work has been done reportedly. this news was not confirmed or denied in 2009 but unconfirmed reports i can tell you some facts , the production plans if anything concrete will not begin any work earlier than 2016 , funds presently are not available to built another 5g aircraft but they have been promised and serious development work will begin hopefully by 2016

its a single engine , aircraft and ligter version , i reported this on another forum in 2009 with a lot of details including some russian links and proposed talks that took place .

The pakfa program started in the end of last decade and early 2000 that time economc condition was not strong enough to built a 5g bird so india joined the program and was invited , over the last many years russia has found its way back in defence market ,

leave the fanboy stuff , last year the russian defence insustry sold weapons worth 10 billion usd dollars , for any other country except the US its very hard to match even in the next 10 years , all those BS reporting that so and so will overtake and this that holds no truth becaus ethe ground reality is vastly different , in any open tender where the russians and chinese fought for a defence contract the chinese lost on the option , because russia provided same , or better components and even at lower price , eg , burma jet order ...


those people who think russia is not having funds to develop a 5th gen fighter are fed with reports from western media but the ground reality is hardly true

 

[Kunal Biswas]

PAK-FA seems a ( YES )
Anyway, I think PAK-FA still is the best (or only) choice for India, they can teach you how to design fighter , only Russia can offer this to India.

Making a 5G of your own will take time as it is a generation ahead of what we are used to make..
Learning takes time and their are no gain in shortcut, No one teach no one how to make things its what u see and learn..
This is how you become independent..

 

[EagleOne]

the trnslation of the news gives me this results

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Russia new net RUSNEWS.CN Moscow, November 25 - Russia Vice-Premier Xie Ergai · Ivanov disclosed today, Russia while will develop the fifth generation of fighter plane's voluntarily making class airplane together with India. Ivanov said: "we will not reach a deadlock this project. We parallel will carry on." He pointed out that Russia national defense Export corporation and "Sukhoi" company in December plans in the Indian government signs the fifth generation of fighter plane design contract which develops for the Russia and India Air force. Ivanov said that Russia will continue the similar fighter plane which experiments itself to develop. At the beginning of November, Russia carried out the development fighter plane already to complete flies 36 times. In the testing conducts the research to this section of success's major component and the performance. Ivanov said: "the discovery had not had the serious flaw temporarily."


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Russia new net RUSNEWS.CN Moscow, November 25 - Russia Vice-Premier Xie Ergai · Ivanov disclosed today that, Russia while together will develop the five dynasties fighter plane will independently make class the airplane with India.

Ivanov said that,"We cannot reach a deadlock this project.We will be able parallel to carry on."

He pointed out that, Russia National defense Export corporation and "Sukhoi" company in December plans in Indian government signs the five dynasties fighter plane design contract which develops for Russia India Air force.

Ivanov said that, Russia will continue the similar fighter plane which will experiment oneself develops.

At the beginning of November, Russia carried out the development fighter plane already to complete flies 36 times.In the testing conducts the research to this section combat success major component and the performance.

Ivanov said that,"The discovery has not had the serious flaw temporarily."



google translator

Russia's new network RUSNEWS.CN Xinhua Moscow on November 25, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov said today that Russia and India will jointly develop the fifth generation fighter at the same time create a class of its own aircraft.

Ivanov said: "We will not be stranded this project. We will proceed in parallel. "

He pointed out that Russia's Rosoboronexport and the "Sukhoi"company in December plans to the Government of India to Russia and India signed two fifth-generation fighter the Air Force developed the design contract.

Ivanov said Russia will continue to test their aircraft developed similar.

Early November, Russia has completed the implementation of the development of the aircraft flying 36 times. During the experiment on which the major components and performance record to study.

Ivanov said: "have not yet found serious flaws. "
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so he is speaking about
T-50 prototype
and pak-fa

some masala added to the news by the poster