Russia makes formal S-400 offer to India

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  1. bose

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    The S-400 “Triumph" anti-missile defense systems. Source: ITAR-TASS

    Russia has formally offered its S-400 Triumph surface-to-air missile systems to India, a senior Russian defense official said on April 18.

    “The Federal Service has prepared a draft intergovernmental agreement on the supply of the S-400 systems to India and passed it on to our partners, so we are awaiting a response,” Vladimir Drozhzhov, deputy head of Russia’s Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) told TASS on the sidelines of the Defexpo India 2016 exhibition in Delhi.

    The deal value is estimated to be $6 billion.

    The Triumph S-400 is a new-generation medium and long-range anti-aircraft missile system.

    S-400 Triumph. Source: YouTube/Телеканал Звезда

    At a distance of 250 miles the system can strike planes, while at a distance of 40 miles it can hit tactical ballistic targets flying at a speed of three miles per second, as well as cruise missiles and ballistic missiles.

    Russia and India were expected to sign an agreement on the sale of the systems in December 2015 when Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi visited Moscow for an annual summit. Sources close to the situation tell RBTH that differences on the price held back the signing of an agreement. A deal is likely to be signed within the next few weeks, the sources add. Russia could also commence delivering the S-400 missile defense system to China by the end of the year.

    The long-range S-400 surface-to-air missile systems are used to defend the Khmeimim Russian military base in Syria.

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    Link: https://rbth.com/news/2016/04/18/russia-makes-formal-s-400-offer-to-india_585763
     
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    An extra ordinary development for India... It will secure the northern borders like never before ...

    I sincerely hope wherever issues India - Russia have are resolved in a mature way...
     
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    hope if we can get TOT on this S400 ..btw chances is very Rare
     
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    Will be one of those biggest and sensible defense deals we have concluded in recent times!!! Hope the systems arrive in India ASAP...
     
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    This move gives interesting contours to the air defense ecosystem (and geopolitics) in Asia. China will fly Russian Su35 and deploy S400 air defense, India will fly Su30 and deploy S400 air defense.

    Sure, Indian S400 can take out Chinese planes and vice versa, given friend-or-foe identification systems, from a purely defensive point of view, but as a corollary, the S400 negates the offensive capabilities of both India and China, relative to each other (regardless of which planes both nations are flying). In a way, this Russian master stroke of selling S400 to both India and China has deterred both from indulging in a fight with each other by almost nullifying the dividends each one receives. The only way for both nations to squeeze out the best return on investment is when China deploys its systems on the east (Pacific) and India deploys it on the west (Pakistan) instead of deploying them against each other on the India-China border. By doing so, Russia has used military diplomacy to settle the quarrel between India and China from escalating beyond a certain point. The only way for this peace to sustain is by India and China undertaking a mutually beneficial agreement disclaiming non-aggression against each other, so that each of us can concentrate against our real enemies.

    It also helps Russia get out of a sticky situation of being suspected of backstabbing by both China and India every time they sell planes to each country. They can simply sell as many planes as they want to India and China without worrying of tilting the strategic balance between China and India now that Russia has supplied the tools for each nation to nullify the air superiority of the other. Therefore, the only way for China and India to use Russian toys against each other is if something goes horribly wrong and they break the mutually beneficial pact, in which case, Russia wont be responsible. This situation is unlikely. In essence, Russia was able to create a Russia-China-India air-defense alliance by getting both nations to deploy their offensive and defensive capabilities on their periphery, looking outwards, instead of deploying them against each other on the LAC. This serves the dual purpose of securing Russia's soft underbelly from a US strike, all paid for by India and China. In a single masterstroke, Russia was able to secure their strategic interests and make money out of it. Hats off.

    Uncle Sam must be sweating.
     
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    @Navnit Kundu we will get best of Russia, USA, France and Israel... India need 10 years of continuous development and buildup along with Manohar Parikar as Defense minister ... If we can manage we will neutralize the China + Pakistan equation...
     
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    Not going to come anytime soon.
     
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    Very Good news but I believe there will be more than five S-400 battalions eventually...
     
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    Great post. One of the best posts i have read in a long time.


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    More of a Great Fun Post than a Great Post. Involves significant twisting of history.

    Russians have almost always believed that Asia must grow stronger otherwise Russians will remain weak in Europe. Remember Russia is Eurasian in reality. They have thrown their weight behind their belief.

    China has always believed in its middle kingdom entitlement. You can always get an entitled SOB to do your bidding if you are willing to bribe him enough. US did just that.

    India is a natural entity which also implies it will follow a rather meandering course in history. Which India dutyfully did.

    The reason why Russian weaponry is used by both Chinese and Indians is because both of us have similar needs. Same as Russians.

    Russians have one big land mass to take care of. They actually have the near abroad and far abroad concept in practice. So big aircrafts and big missiles.

    Chinese have big land mass and an overarching ambition to be at the top of the pecking order which brings them into "competition" with US. They too need big aircrafts and big missiles. J-20 too is beeg even though its not Russian

    India has a comparatively smaller a land mass but a big ocean to take care of, to ensure its own protection. Ergo big aircrafts and big missiles. It is unfortunate that bigger aircrafts is not a priority item in India and the lack of it shows in the Indian diplomatic chuhapanti.

    All three are absolutely not in the filthy rich category and it helps even more that Russian arms are usually inexpensive.

    But this S-400 is a nonsense deal. We should have kept working on the Indian BMD. Unfortunately, all governments in India think its ok to spend miserly amounts on Indian MIC and imports are the best.

    Ideally we should have moved from Russian dependency of 70% to a core Indian MIC of at least 70%. Now instead we have dalals from all over the world beating down Indian R&D and Indian MIC.
     
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    Bump bump...any new updates??????????????
     
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    Btw, a lot will depend on ToT and the configuration supplies by the Ruskies. The balance between India-China will depend a lot on the config and Russians can choose the side while delivering it.

    China anyway has a stronger hand than India due to its indigenous aircraft industry and capability to churn out more planes when needed. India if it does not ramp up Tejas will find itself short-changed even after this acquisition.
     
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    Why this news is coming from RT and not Indian sources? 6 billion is a significant deal.

    @yamdoot, we do not have a product like s400. So for now we have to import.

    It is same like Rafale. Let me make it clear this 6b is much better investment compared to Rafale 8.8b. This SAM system will keep the peace better.
     
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    S400 with Akash take care of long range and medium range SAM systems.

    Short range are spyder, OSA, strela etc.
     
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    Negotiations and manufacturing are tactical issues. At least we got a metal underwear to save our asses. How many we make will depend on whether the babus at OFB are willing to give up their Chai Samosa and do some actual work.
     
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    Fake news no deal has been signed
     
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    No Rafale deal is still better becsuse of Spectra.

    Just like DSI in Chinese jets.
     
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    Oh, no, Both Chinese and Indians prefer western weapons if they have a choice. But in most case, Russians offer best deal or even only deal.

    Oh, no! The only reason their weapons are generally bigger than same class western weapons is that their technologies are not good enough to allow them to build it in small size


    Or you should ask when India BMD will be ready.

    There is 2 things you have to consider:
    1. unlike most of people believe, doing your own R&D in military field is far most expensive than simply buying foreign weapons (don't think you can do what Americans did, they are different) ;
    2. Doing your own R&D for countries like China and India generally means longer waiting time. During this period, your national security will be at risk. Just recall in last 80s and 90s, Chinese sky was almost open to foreign air force.
     
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