Russia Cancels Arms Programs

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  1. notinlove

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    On April 5 the Russian government discussed the program for the development of the national defense industry for 2011-2020. The Prime Minister Vladimir Putin appealed to the military to define what weapons they really need and for what tasks. He stated that 40% of defense R&D programs don’t result in anything representing just a waste of resources.

    The military was quick to respond. Two days later deputy defense minister and chief of armaments Vladimir Popovkin announced that a number of programs for development of new armor and artillery weapons will be cancelled. The main victim is the mysterious Object 195 program that was aimed to develop a new generation main battle tank to replace existing T-80 and T-90 tanks in the Russian Army. The new tank also dubbed T-95 has been developed by Nizhny Tagil Uralvagonzavod armor manufacturer in complete secrecy for more than 15 years. Popovkin said the military will focus on modernization of the T-90 instead.
    Among other cancelled development programs are the 152 mm Koalitziya-SV self-propelled double-barrel artillery system, BMD-4 airborne combat vehicle, 125 mm Sprut-SD self-propelled anti-tank gun and BMPT tank support combat vehicle. All these programs were in the phase of prototype testing. Popovkin said these weapons hadn’t been included in the defense procurement program, but the government will reimburse the designers for their development expenses.

    http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blog...79a7Post:5d47479a-23ea-41cc-9a0d-2e8de47fbf49
     
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    gogbot Regular Member

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    while disappointing new for Russia.

    It just strengthen the case for Arjun in India , Given that Russia is not developing a new tank
     
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    Maybe India can buy all the cancelled designs? Better than throwing them away, and will certainly be a leap in capabilities of the defence PSUs if used properly.
     
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    i doubt that Russia would sell, and even if they did pay they may not give us the whole package

    We have solid base in Tank development with the Arjun.

    we don't need the Russian designs , tell them to design an make a new N.G.M.B.T , i guarantee we wont be disappointed
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    This explains why Russia has been shopping around France and Italy for armoured vehicles. Their research is so inferior they have no choice but to look West.
     
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    That just Turned out to be a Whole lotta BS ,
    that post from aviation week was just a blog , that too someones first blog safe to say it was not accurate and deliberate.

    here are few links to the actual press conference that happened on that day , and none of it mentions anything, i dunno where did kommersant came up with it from , when all other newspapers reporting the same press conference havent said anything.


    http://lenta.ru/news/2010/04/07/t90/

    http://www.argumenti.ru/army/2010/04/56001/

    http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=351545&cid=549
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    The links you post only talk about T-90 upgrades. There was a whole lot more discussed at that round table. I just watched the replay, 40% of R&D wasted, cancellation of said systems, and importation abroad were key themes.
     
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    Thats what i mean , don't you think vesti and lenta would have jumped like monkeys if he had canceled T-95?
     
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    http://www.ng.ru/editorial/2010-04-09/2_red.html
     
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    don't know man , this just keeps getting interesting and interesting ..........i'm on the wait and watch brigade.....

    Whats interesting though is that almost all the projects mentioned are land projects.
     
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    Ministry of Defence will purchase weapons abroad
    Sergei Ptichkin

    "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" - The Central Issue № 5152 (73) on April 8, 2010

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    Фото: Завражин Константин

    Head of the armament of the Armed Forces - Deputy Defense Minister Vladimir Popovkin, said yesterday that the Russian army will be equipped with the best weapons, including foreign.

    According to Popovkin, after the completion of hostilities in South Ossetia was made a very serious analysis of the technical condition of our army and the defense capabilities of enterprises. Moreover, this analysis was carried out not in one sitting. Several meetings were held with the participation of the High Command and industry representatives. The Minister of Defence, Chief of Staff and Chief of arms visited all the leading enterprises of the defense. And then a list of what is first required to upgrade the technical quality of the inventory of army, air force and navy. Was drawn up a list that our military-industrial complex can develop and produce its own, but that may have purchased abroad. That said Popovkin, there is nothing to worry about.

    Indeed, the import of military equipment is not a sign of the weakness of its own industry. For example, according to the Center for Analysis of the global arms trade, military U.S. imports over the period 2006-2009 is estimated at 16.5 billion dollars. In 2009, the cost of purchases of weapons by the U.S. second only to India. During the same period, imports of British military amounted to 6.744 billion dollars. Buying weapons abroad, and Germany, and France, and almost all NATO countries with strong military industry.

    Russia since the beginning of the twentieth century, until 1917, bought military equipment from abroad in large quantities. The most powerful cruisers, battleships and naval empires were built in the U.S., Britain, Denmark and France. Even the Soviet Union bought some items of military equipment abroad, however, especially this fact without advertising.

    For the current Russian arms imports was inevitable. Technological equipment of defense enterprises in most cases obsolete. And we are simply unable to produce military equipment to new generations. Of course, there are a number of areas in which Russia is still the leader. This air defense systems, tactical missiles, fighter aircraft, various samples of small arms and other things that are successfully sold to foreign buyers Rosoboronexport.

    However, Defense Ministry is determined to give up samples, only yesterday were considered promising, and indeed to bet on the latest and real-world military equipment manufactured abroad.

    Popovkin led a sad figure. In recent years the development of domestic UAV of its defense budget has been spent 5 billion rubles, and the output obtained absolute zero. None of the proposed industrial units are not even passed the first phase of public testing. That is why the decision was made on the purchase drones in Israel.

    It does not satisfy the army and domestic sniper rifles. In the summer of planned comprehensive comparative tests of sniper systems represented by domestic and foreign developers. After that choice is made in favor of procurement already given sample. It may be that this model will be American, British or German sniper rifle.

    Department of Defense closed the work on creation of the T-95. Apparently, closed topic BMD-4: in state defense order them and never will. Do not plan to buy military and so-called military vehicle tank support. As the chief said arms, tank - a self-contained combat unit, which in any support is not needed. Popovkin even expressed surprise at the fact, why do design and build prototype BMPT.

    Actually, judging by the statements Popovkin, domestic armored vehicles stopped responding to modern requirements. We do not have such equipment or the respective motors or transmission of modern, or even weapons. Moreover, the very armor is becoming archaic. Abroad, light armored vehicles to protect the various composite grid reinforced special pulepogloschayuschimi elements. We have nothing. Therefore, it is possible, the usual armored personnel carriers in our army be European. They are comfortable, permeable, well armed and protected by nanotechnology synthetic armor. Defense is considering licensing the production of these machines on to Russian car factories.

    The most sensational import order, however, is still hypothetical: it is buying amphibious assault ship, Mistral. The question with him is not solved yet. In the words of Vladimir Popovkin, it is not about acquiring warship in its pure form. It first comes to buying the most advanced shipbuilding technologies, which will give a powerful impetus to the development of the entire shipbuilding industry. And along the way - and Helicopter, and instrument. It may be the main attack helicopters of the Russian "Mistral" will be Ka-52. During the visit of a French ship in St. Petersburg "Alligator" landed on its side, and, as recognized experts, the impression that it was for such a vehicle he created.

    "Mistral" played the role of a battering ram that has broken the old stereotypes. It became clear that foreign military equipment to purchase is not only possible but necessary.

    http://www.rg.ru/2010/04/08/vystrel.html
     
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    I think they get some good goodies and may try reverse engineering. But still this is odd to me. Russia buying arms from other countries :|
     
  14. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    Russia has come to point as it was under Peter the Great. The military has fallen behind the West and it is time to incorporate European technologies. The same as they did nearly 300 years ago. They can no longer afford to fund R&D that doesn't go anywhere. They can no longer afford to prop-up companies that can't get beyond Soviet based technologies. Purchases from France and the rest of potential EU buys will have one main purpose, incorporating European technologies into the Russian MIC.
     

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