Retaliation against a Nuclear attack on India

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  1. Iamanidiot

    Iamanidiot Elite Member Elite Member

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    Thanks to Wrigstead we have tool HYDESim which helps and enables to know what exactly is needed in case of a nuclear war in the Indo-Pak scenario(Strictly for Pakistan only)

    Now forum members go to do this

    1)Compile a list of important Civilian ,military and nuclear installation on the Pakistan side

    2)Use the given tool and use the yield and Psi given for 0.1KT to 350Kt

    3)Simulate for all of Pakistani installations and post it

    Net result we will get what amount of minimal no of warheads we need to put Pakis in place

    4)Post also what sort of delivery platforms India posesses.Their range and capacities

    5)Post all the weapons in Paki arsenal which can be used as counter measures against India (aircraft ,anti-aircraft)

    6)Environmental impact for India if Pakis glow green
     
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  3. Yusuf

    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    Good for academic value. I increasingly believe that we will never need to fire a nuke against Pak even if they do if our strategic objectives are sound.
     
  4. Iamanidiot

    Iamanidiot Elite Member Elite Member

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    @Sayareji

    Post all the delivery vehicles that are currently deployed in the Indian arsenal

    @Prada or any Aviation enthusiast
    please give detailed posts of all the Aviation Platforms in the Indian Arsenal

    Lets split our work
     
  5. Bhadra

    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    you want to war game impact of Indian nuc strikes on Paki targets?
    The model does not cater for wind aptterns and possible fallouts?
    well you want immediate results or medium term results.
    Explode one bomb over Mangla dam, or over Tarbella. Contaminate the entire water system of Paki rivers and Canals and they are done foe ever. Still better, contaminate the Sindh river near Skardu. It would be Armageddon.

    But Indians would never do it even under extreme provocations. What is Pakistan after all . Unako unake hal par chhor do... leave them as it is.
     
  6. Iamanidiot

    Iamanidiot Elite Member Elite Member

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    Bhadra ji

    Shorrtterm objectives,Mid-term objectives,long term objectives

    1)a thorough understanding of Pakistans nuclear doctrine and India's Nuclear Doctrine
    2)First lets get a source for our deployable nukes and their yields
    3)Identify the set of Paki targets and their viability to nuke them
    4)Platforms with the help of which we can deliver
    5)Studying the importance of each target and the targets geographical,topographical and Demographical attributes

    At the end after cumulative analysis we will get an idea of what we need to Ph(ck Pakistan

    **No Trollin in this thread***

    Only braincells must work
     
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    Mad Indian Proud Bigot Veteran Member Senior Member

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    what are saying? We should not respond even if provoked with nukes???


    Anyway , Does this scenerio involve nukes as first strike or as a second strike option, for there needs to be a correction in regards to the no of nukes that may become unusable because of the first strike,

    also does this involve the scenerios of nuclear winter and corrections regarding that so that we dont exceed the limit for it??!!
     
  8. Iamanidiot

    Iamanidiot Elite Member Elite Member

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    It involves everything
     
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    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    Idiot, there is no source for how many bombs we have and thee types. How many fission and how many fusion devices.
     
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    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    There would be a big difference in the use of nukes by us and Pakistan.
    The first big difference is Pakistan is targetting our population centers and
    we are not. How would this difference in nuclear doctrines play out?
     
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    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    Source which states India is not targeting population? On the contrary we are clear about targeting enemy cities to kill maximum people that it deters the enemy.
     
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    Here is an article by Robert S. Norris and Hans M. Kristensen in the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists which dicusses about India's nuclear arsenal in some detail

    Indian Nuclear Arsenal

    Also lets discuss the effect of CTBT and FMCT on our arsenal
     
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    Pakistan 75% population lives in Punjab, Sindh.

    2x10 Nuke - Lahore, Islamabad, Karachi and 7 other cities of Pakistan and they will turn into stone age. 75% Population and 90% economy will be face total destruction. Even China 75% population is concentrated on eastern coastal belt.

    Indian population is equally distributed. for total destruction few hundred nukes are needed.

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    What is the distance of Major Pakistani population centres from our border. Lahore is just across and so is Islamabad. There is no use dropping a bomb on Quetta. Pakistan using bombs on their own territory to halt Indian offensive is a pure non sense and misnomer. Does one mean to say they will use tacticle nuclear weapons on the outskirts of Lahore, Jafarwal, Multan etc etc. Only Hindu type Sindhis can be roasted in the south. In the north there is no place to use Tactical Nucs. They can not use it in J&K. There is no use of it Rajasthan. The only place is Punjab and its sprawling cities. But that entails inviting every thing on their Punjab.

    For India and Pakistan it is all pure nonsense. And why should they or us use nuclear bomb. It is only because of their minds and their terrorist tactics. Forget nucs. India should enter, beat them up and come back. That is what they deserve.
     
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    For Pakistan, 200 Brahmos is more than enough. 75% population is in 300 Km range. It will be extremely difficult to intercept and destroy Brahmos. 100-200 seconds and total destruction. Speed of Brahmos-2 will be double-triple. In Pakistan, 40% population lives in 4-5 cities. 75% population are close to Indian border within 200-300 Km. In India, Top 30-40 Cities and population only 20%. Most of the cities are 1,000 to 4,000 Km away from Pak.

    Pakistan will never ever attack India with nuke. it's just their deterrence. Risk is too big for them compare with ours.

    In next few years, we will have ABM shield. 2 Layers -- AAD/PDV and AD-1,2. Why Pak will take such risk ? Barak-8 will be helpful for Cruise Missile. Even in worst case scenario, Let us assume ABM/Air-Defense/SAM will be only 70% effective. For 30% destruction, we can turn Pak in stone age in an hour.

    Pak attacking India is matter of survival for them. If they do, History will remember Pakistan as country which didn't even completed a century after creation.
     
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    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    I need to keep Iodine pills for emergency, just incase i do survive.

    We can survive the back ground radiation if we take our iodine supplement that is not contaminated, any iodine that is contaminated by radiation will end up in side our system.
     
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    nrj Stars and Ambassadors Stars and Ambassadors

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    MILINTEL has those locations on their fingers.


    We don't need nuclear warheads to put Pakis in place IMVHO.

    Air: Mirage, MKI, IL38s

    Land: Prithvi, Agni, Shaurya (only for 2nd strike imo), Prahaar.

    Water: Arihant (experimental at this moment)

    HQs (Performance is debatable)

    S300s (Chinese copies of original Russian variant, performance unknown)

    KTs (China can export these to Pak)

    India will not be in comfortable position if Pak succeeds to land nuke on Indian soil nor we'll be alright if Indian nukes destroys Pak.

    Infected rivers and wind pattern will endanger north-western areas.

    Evacuation plans are on paper. Refugee problem will screw us for decades.

    Pakis will not engage in stupidity of preemptively launching nukes on India imo. If it does then that stupid guy will be remembered as biggest fool of modern times.

    As soon as first launch is detected by Indian Sats, ABMs will come in action. There is a reason why Aakash mass production numbers are growing.

    IA mobile battle units will start landing in Pureland as soon as IAF has neutralized paki silo sites and SEAD mission is underway.

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    Indian political leadership will not come out of underground parliament complex for months from where they will put cease-fire in place, meaning we control the land where our uniforms are standing.

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    In my sincere opinion Indian nuclear option is overkill for Pakis in any case, be it offensive or retaliatory situation. We don't need nukes to neutralize Pakistan.
     
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    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    Multiple war heads with 50 to 100kt will be the best option. A megaton war head will sure push the radiation on to our side, so smaller less radiating bombs should be pepper on pakistan. We atleast need 500 such nukes.

    Currently we have only 100 or so. :tsk:
     
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    Contaminated water is the real problem.
     
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