Ready to retreat but only if Chinese troops do: India

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  1. AVERAGE INDIAN

    AVERAGE INDIAN EXORCIST Senior Member

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    With the build-up along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) on the rise, India has proposed to retreat the security forces only if the move is reciprocated from China’s side.

    After four flag meetings failed to bring the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) and the Indo-Tibetan Border Police and the Indian Army to a consensus, India is going to raise this as an option at the next meeting. According to sources, both India and China are objecting to construction of military structures on respective sides of the LAC.

    “So far, the four flag meetings have not yielded any result. It is not that we are going to retreat or give up on our claim but a massive buildup has been created on both sides. But there is a condition that we would do so only if it is reciprocated from the other side,” said a senior government official.

    The stand-off that has continued for almost a fortnight now has worsened in the past three days with reinforcements rushed in from both sides. Chumar, where the Indian security forces are at an advantageous position, has seen the worst stand-off in the past four days. “We have increased the number of security personnel since Monday night. We are being aggressive but this stand-off has to end somehow,” said the official. Meanwhile, the Chinese side on Tuesday asked for yet another flag meeting, which, according to the Indian side has “not yet been confirmed”.

    Meanwhile, the Ministry of Defence remained firm on its stand that “there is no change on ground” either in numerical terms meaning increase or decrease in the build up of troops or in terms of the positioning of the troops. - See more at: Ready to retreat but only if Chinese troops do: India | The Indian Express

    Ready to retreat but only if Chinese troops do: India | The Indian Express
     
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    So yesterday's flag meeting was also in conclusive?
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    It would be 'pull back' and not 'retreat'.

    "Retreat" has a negative connotation in military parlance.
     
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    Insight - With canal and hut, India stands up to China on disputed frontier | Reuters

    (Reuters) - Earlier this month, the Indian army, stationed on a remote Himalayan plateau, built a small observation hut from where they could watch Chinese soldiers across a disputed border.

    The move so irked China's military that it laid a road on territory claimed by India and demanded that the tin hut be dismantled. India refused, destroyed a part of the new road and promptly raised troop numbers in the area.

    Prime Minister Narendra Modi is making good on election promises of a more robust national security policy, and the fact that around 1,000 soldiers from each side are facing off in Ladakh is evidence even mighty China is not off limits.

    No shots have been fired, and a brief border war between the world's two most populous nations was fought 52 years ago.

    But Indian military officials said the situation in the Chumar area of Ladakh had been unusually tense in recent weeks, highlighting a simmering disagreement between the nuclear-armed neighbours that is back on the agenda at the highest level.

    Modi, a nationalist who swept to power in May, was unusually forthright when Chinese President Xi Jinping visited India in mid-September, challenging Xi in private on the question of incursions along their 3,500-km contested frontier.

    Afterwards, he told a news conference in the presence of the Chinese leader that peace and stability on the border were needed for better economic ties Beijing has been pressing for.

    P. Stobdan, a former Indian ambassador and a Ladakhi with deep knowledge of the competing claims in the region, sees a shift in New Delhi's thinking.

    "The hut has become the bone of contention. The Chinese have drawn a red line. They want it demolished before they will withdraw," he said.

    Last year, the Chinese forced the Indians to demolish another hut in Chumar in return for ending a face-off.

    "This time the new government does not seem to be in a mood to budge," Stobdan added.

    NO LONGER BUSINESS AS USUAL

    Beginning in June, as it prepared to receive Xi, Modi's government set in train a series of bold actions on the border where Indian officials say China has long been nibbling away at its territory.

    It ordered faster construction of 72 strategic roads along the border to narrow the gap with China's vastly superior and intricate network of roads and tracks in the mountains.

    It has also rebuilt airfields, including a landing strip laid in Daulat Beg Oldi in Ladakh in 1962, the year the two countries fought their short war.

    Over the past few months C-130 Hercules planes bought from the United States have been landing at the airfield some 30 km from Depsang, the site of a 21-day standoff last year when People's Liberation Army soldiers set up tents on India's side of the 1962 ceasefire line.

    V.K. Singh, minister for the northeastern states, another area where the border is in dispute with China, says it is no longer business as usual on the so-called Line of Actual Control (LAC) dividing the two countries.

    Incursions from both sides are common along the ceasefire line, because their armies cannot agree where it lies, making a final settlement a distant prospect.

    "Sometimes (in the past), I think for political reasons or other reasons, we would have said OK, leave it. But that perpetuates the problem, it doesn't solve the problem," said Singh, a former army chief handpicked to beef up civilian and military infrastructure in the northeast.

    "You keep giving a concession, it only perpetuates the problem. So somewhere up the hierarchy someone has to say 'let's hold on'," he told Reuters in an interview about the latest confrontation with China.

    India was humiliated in the 1962 war and, since then, while it has built up its conventional military and nuclear and missile capabilities, it has been careful to avoid showdowns at the border, which, despite 17 rounds of talks over two decades, remains unsettled.

    Hu Zhiyong, a research fellow with the Institute of International Relations at the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences, told China's state-run Global Times that the Modi government's moves to build up infrastructure and equipment on the Indian side of the LAC signalled a shift in posture.

    "The 'offensive' strategy aims to gain more leverage in the talks," Hu told the fiercely nationalist newspaper.

    HIGH-ALTITUDE HUT

    The chain of events leading to the latest tensions began in Demchok, on the southeastern corner of Ladakh. On August 18, India started building an irrigation canal there as part of the government's rural jobs guarantee programme.

    China protested, saying it was located inside its territory.

    Then, on September 8, Indian troops erected their observation hut on a hillock in Chumar, one of the areas along the LAC where India has the tactical advantage of height.

    Retired Indian army brigadier Gurmeet Kanwal, who has served in high-altitude areas, said India's position there overlooks Chinese encampments and a dirt road leading up to the area.

    Beijing's response was swift. Within a day, some 500 PLA troops crossed into the area and used cranes and bulldozers to build a 2 km (1.2-mile) road.

    Later that night, Indian soldiers dug up part of that road, but the Chinese have not withdrawn from the area, which New Delhi considers to be several kilometres inside its territory.

    Around 1,000 soldiers from each side are ranged against each other, and further to the east, a group of Chinese civilians backed by the PLA intruded into the Demchok sector where India was trying to build the irrigation canal, Indian officials said.

    China's public comments on the latest row with India have been measured.

    "The China-India border dispute is a left-over from history. The two countries' border, to this day, has not been designated, and the two sides' understanding of the real line of control is not the same," the Defence Ministry said, adding that both New Delhi and Beijing were resolved to manage the problem.

    A CIVILISED CUP OF TEA

    India says China violated the ceasefire line 334 times in the first eight months of this year. Chinese officials with Xi on his visit last week said India had violated the LAC 410 times, according to an Indian government official at the talks.

    Border patrols have become more frequent and probing deeper into each other's territories, officials say, often running into each other. Earlier, the two armies sent out patrols on alternating days along the most contentious areas of the border so that their troops wouldn't come into contact.

    "If there is a border patrol that crosses the LAC as perceived by the other side, they are supposed to offer them a cup of tea and ask them to leave immediately. The idea is it should be civilised behaviour. At times this civilised behaviour has spun out of control with soldiers roughing each other up," said an Indian officer at the army headquarters in New Delhi.

    But the head of Ladakh's local government said India had neglected the border area for decades to its own and local people's detriment. Only now was it starting to plug the gaps, he added, and that had provoked the Chinese.

    "We have lost so much pasture land, grazing land over a period of time to China," said Rigzin Spalbar, chief executive councillor of the Ladakh Autonomous Hill Development Council.

    "We told our people not to go close to the LAC, the area was left vacant and the Chinese sent their herders in. Now those areas have become their possessions."

    (Additional reporting by Frank Jack Daniel in New Delhi and Megha Rajagopalan in Beijing; Editing by Mike Collett-White and John Chalmers)
     
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    Whats stops India from pushing its soldiers into chinese territory? Will china pull back its soldiers after repeated attempts by India. Why should we even pull back from our territory?
    Somehow our leadership does not install courage due to such actions.
     

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