READ COMPLETE : Ideological war with Hafiz Saeed.

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  1. john70

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    This is a great article by Rajinder Puri.
    Please read completely to understand it.

    Comments welcome.

    The obsession with Hafiz Saeed displayed by politicians and media during President Zardari’s recent visit was amusing. Hafiz Saeed is not the issue. He is the symptom of the issue. That issue is not terrorism. The issue is ideological. Hafiz Saeed does not appear to be a terrorist. The hypocrisy of the Indian establishment which hit the roof after America placed a bounty on his head is nauseating. The same America, along with the United Nations, accused Lashkar-e-Toiba of perpetrating the Samjhauta Express bomb blasts by providing detailed information of five culprits who carried out the act.

    Yet Indian politicians and the media feigned blissful ignorance of this while the UPA government accused Hindu terrorists of committing the same act of terror. How hypocritical can we get? If America and UN were wrong about the Lashkar committing the Samjhauta terror, why believe that America is right about Hafiz Saeed being a terrorist? Does it need America to tell us what Hafiz Saeed is? How subservient can we get?

    After all, what does Hafiz Saeed represent? Pakistan asks India to provide sufficient evidence that might stand up in a court of law to nail Saeed as a terrorist. Our government says a full dossier has been provided to Islamabad. That dossier should be shared with the public. Is Hafiz Saeed a terrorist or, much worse, is he the ideological mastermind guiding terrorists in pursuit of an agenda he has never hidden? One is doubtful if legally he has incriminated himself by actually participating in terrorism. More likely he provides ideas and ideological leadership to the terrorist networks. He seems similar to the late Jagjit Singh Chauhan who propounded the idea of Khalistan, justified and extolled violence by others, but never bloodied his own hands with terror. Saeed’s agenda is publicized. His justification of terror is open. His admiration and support for the late Osama bin Laden was never hidden. What is terrorism to us is war to him. Whether or not he is a terrorist, his agenda must be fought at the ideological level.

    Recently Hafiz Saeed spoke about his life to a Karachi newspaper. Excerpts were reproduced in the Indian media. He was born of Gujjar parents residing in what is now Haryana. His family was a victim of terror. He was born in a caravan during the journey escaping to Pakistan. His parents must have recounted to him the horrifying tales of communal terror they had encountered. Within four months after Independence over half a million innocents had been slaughtered. The number of Muslim casualties was the highest in Punjab. These are official figures. Not surprisingly Saeed’s attitude was conditioned by his upbringing in a Pakistan that became increasingly more fundamentalist.

    This is in sharp contrast to people belonging to this writer’s generation. I was thirteen years old when Partition occurred and had witnessed the communally integrated region before it became Pakistan. I had seen the political discrepancies of that period during boyhood, and decoded them in adulthood to conclude that the tragedy was engineered by our colonial masters. They manipulated the tallest Congress and Muslim League leaders to make them act like pawns to further Britain’s global strategic interests. The mindset of my generation therefore is conditioned by a different experience. And that brings us to the ideological divide between the likes of Hafiz Saeed and this writer.

    Hafiz Saeed told the media: “I am emotionally attached to the issue of freedom for Kashmir. I strongly believe that India will have to eventually leave Kashmir. If the superpower of its time, the Soviet Union could not occupy Afghanistan and the present superpower, US, is preparing to leave Afghanistan defeated, India also cannot stay in Kashmir.”

    I will not dwell upon the cockeyed view of history revealed by Hafiz Saeed who compares the situation in Afghanistan with the one in Kashmir. Nor will I reiterate the chequered history of the Partition, of Kashmir, and of the blunders made by the Indian leadership resulting in the present crisis. That has been written about in books and newspaper articles. To counter Hafiz Saeed one must go to the heart of the problem and discuss the basic ideological dispute.

    The Muslim League was committed to the two-nation theory and sought Partition. The Congress opposed the two-nation theory and was committed to India’s unity. But India was partitioned according to the two-nation theory to create theocratic Muslim Pakistan. The Congress had betrayed the public and its own pledge to prevent Partition. However it kept up the pretence that although Partition was accepted the Congress party’s commitment to secularism and Indian unity remained intact. This brazen chicanery did not work. Pakistanis said that the Partition remained incomplete until Muslim majority Kashmir also became part of Pakistan. Hardcore Hindu elements claimed that since the two-nation theory had been accepted and Muslim Pakistan had been carved out, residual territory had to be Hindu India. Therefore all Muslims must be expelled from India. Or, as Mr Subramaniam Swamy demands, they should be disenfranchised and debarred from voting.

    However, there is a third option supported by this writer and many others. The Partition was wrong and therefore in substance it must be undone. It can be undone in two ways. Either a South Asian Union may be created diplomatically allowing India, Pakistan and Bangladesh to retain their sovereign identities but joined together through common defence, common market and free movement without visas as it obtains in the European Union. That would establish the cultural nationalism of the subcontinent. Otherwise Pakistan would implode of its own accord and disintegrate. Its dismembered parts would join with India to recreate undivided Hindustan. There are more Muslims in India than in Pakistan. The Tamil Muslims are Tamilian, the Bihar Muslims are Bihari and the Punjab Muslims are Punjabi. The Muslims of the subcontinent are Hindustani. They have been so for centuries.

    Hafiz Saeed should know that this is our cause for which we will fight our war. If he persists with his war he will have to reckon with our war. If he does not accept the decent and humane option of creating a South Asian Union, he and all those who think like him in Pakistan should be prepared for the eventual disintegration of their nation. Let him rest assured that the latter option would be achieved without firing a single shot. Pakistan would implode through isolation. To isolate a rigid Pakistan would require a government in New Delhi with will and vision. Let him also rest assured that India’s present government will not last forever. A future government with the requisite will and vision will surely govern India sooner rather than later. Hafiz Saeed is welcome to his view of history. I believe that my view represents the tide of history. History will decide who is right.
     
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  3. utubekhiladi

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    i stopped reading where it says "Hafiz Saeed does not appear to be a terrorist"

    all hafiz saeed supporters can :ka: kiss my ass and go to hell
     
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    As i said read completely ... U r too impatient. Dont miss this one.
     
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    As usual the writer is dreaming on this forum. He should know in order to realise his dreams there has to be a union of like minded individuals who have vision and will as he has stated. I do not know what do Indian have to eat to get two characteristics in order to get a strong backbone.
     
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    Just kill him already before he sends another wave and dont make this terror fagot some great Ideological man kill him and Kasab :mad:
     
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    I stopped after reading the title.

    Who is this bugger trying glorify that illiterate scoundrel.

    @John 70 If you are an Indian then please don't push this garbage information down our throats. I don't know much about others but I have no patience to soften my stance and read the stories about these terrorists, good or bad.

    These Pakistani fanatics don't deserve articles and over educated ranting but bullets in their head.
     
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    hey hit O run, i am an Indian and dont need to prove to u that how much i care for this country. This article is just a different perspective to most i have read, and the person who has written too is indian with more love for this country... Just cool off.
     
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    This article is not about hafiz or terrorism, just about a different perspective of future of india.
     
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    :gtfo: .
     
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    When i started reading it i felt same as you two did, but keeping little patience helped, the person writing this article is a defence person and having same love for our country as you two, just chill and read and then comment.
     
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    shove hafiz saeed and this article up your ass and you get the fphuk outta here
     
  13. john70

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    I can understand ur anger against Hafeez, but without undertanding the article to "behave insulting" to me is not warranted. I stop here, no more argument with you. Thanks.
     
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    Was thinking .... if i am just posting this article and getting this responses, who must be that "MAI KA LAL" TO WRITE SUCH AN ARTICLE and yes ... he is :


    wikipedia :
    Rajinder Puri (1934- ), is an Indian cartoonist, veteran columnist and political activist. He was on the staff of The Hindustan Times and The Statesman as a cartoonist and writer. Currently, his column appears in Outlook magazine.
    Puri was born on 20th September, 1934 in Karachi, now in Pakistan. He drew cartoons for The Statesman in 1956-57, after which he went to London, where he drew cartoons briefly for The Guardian and The Glasgow Herald (1958-59). He returned to India to become cartoonist for the Hindustan Times from 1959 to 1967. He started working as a columnist and freelancer after this stint. From 1972 to 1977, he was the editor and proprietor of Stir Weekly.[1]
    Rajinder Puri moved into politics in 1977, associated first with the Janata Party, then with some of the parties that splintered from the Janata Party. Since 1988 he has not been attached to any political party[2].
    [edit]Bibliography

    India 1969: a crisis of conscience, by Rajinder Puri (1971)
    India, the wasted years: 1969-1975, by Rajinder Puri (Chetana Publications, 1975)
    Government that works-- and how!, by Rajinder Puri (Scan Publishers, 1989)
    Recovery of India, by Rajinder Puri (Har-Anand Publications, 1992)



    Bull's Eye, by Rajinder Puri (Hope India Publications, 2004)
    A tale of two countries: chronicles of a columnist, 2004-2008, by Rajinder Puri (Har-Anand Publications, 2008)
    [edit]References

    ^ India News and Feature Alliance (2003). India who's who. INFA Publications. Retrieved 9 April 2012.
    ^ "Rajinder Puri". Boloji.com.

    Rajinder Puri
    New Delhi, India
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    Rajinder Puri is a veteran columnist, cartoonist and political activist. He was on the staff of The Hindustan Times and The Statesman as a cartoonist and writer. Earlier he worked in London for a brief time drawing cartoons for The Guardian, and later The Glasgow Herald. For over two decades he has been a freelance journalist and his work has appeared on regular assignment in all the leading dailies and weeklies of India. He has authored five books on Indian politics. He is a featured columnist on Boloji under his column "My Word".

    Rajinder Puri was the founding General Secretary of the Janata Party in 1977 and was in charge of campaign publicity in the 1977 general election that brought the Janata Party to power. Later he was founder General Secretary of Lok Dal, then Member National Executive and Labor Cell-in-Charge of BJP. Since 1988 he has been attached to no political party.
     
  15. hit&run

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    Whatever.

    The author is an idiot, his choice of words when selling the idea of future of India are nonsensical.

    My response to you was quite reasonable. I gave you a kind suggestion thinking if you are an Indian, not to use this platform to spread propaganda of terrorist apologists. I wouldn't doubt your patriotism and would see what kind of poster you are in future; if possible, by chance.

    Thanks
     
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    Partition was singular most important that happened for the stability of current India. Yes it was terrible for the people involved.
     
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    Last two paras are really good, i am not saying he is right or it is achievable, but to even think laterally like this is my thumbs up for him.
     

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