Rafale hammers the islamist terrorist groups in Mali

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  1. pmaitra

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    Finally, France is doing something good. Allied with Wahhabis in Syria, against Wahhabis in Mali? This is called protecting national interests, even at the cost of morality. India needs to learn realpolitik!

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    This video grab reportedly shows al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) fighters preparing for war in northern Mali. Photo: AFP/GETTY

    Source: France launches air strike on al-Qaeda in Mali - Telegraph

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    India must start to have "talks" (OR negotiations) with "Good Taliban" ( so if it exists ) and support its "Political" and "Peaceful" assimilation in Political structures of Afghan Polity as a Legal Party. It will help India to negotiate to create "interest groups" and balance the "power" tilt in South Asian polity..
     
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    Yeah, what of it? We have a right to defend our interests and an obligation to protect our citizens. We aren't conducting military ops in Syria yet, that all depends on Bashar.
     
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    Re: France launches air strike on al-Qaeda in Mali

    What national interests does France have in Mali?
     
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    Re: France launches air strike on al-Qaeda in Mali

     
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    Re: France launches air strike on al-Qaeda in Mali

    The French always act if there is an issue in their former colonies.

    Interesting facts about Mali. Was a great empire and civilization at one time.


    Not to be confused with Malawi.
    For other uses, see Mali (disambiguation).
    Republic of Mali
    République du Mali--(French)
    Mali ka Fasojamana--(Bambara)

    Flag Coat of arms
    Motto:-"Un peuple, un but, une foi"-(French)
    "One people, one goal, one faith"
    Anthem:-Le Mali--(French)-[1]

    Capital
    and largest city Bamako
    12°39′N 8°0′W
    Official languages French
    Vernacular languages Bambara
    Ethnic-groups
    50% Mande
    17% Fula
    12% Voltaic
    10% Tuareg / Moor
    6% Songhai
    5% other
    Demonym Malian
    Government Unitary semi-presidential
    republic
    --- Acting President Dioncounda Traoré
    --- Acting Prime Minister Django Sissoko
    Legislature National Assembly
    Independence
    --- from Francea 20 June 1960-
    --- as Mali 22 September 1960-
    Area
    --- Total 1,240,192-km2-(24th)
    478,839-sq-mi-
    --- Water-(%) 1.6
    Population
    --- April 2009-census 14,517,176[2]-(67th)
    --- Density 11.7/km2-(215th)
    30.3/sq-mi
    GDP-(PPP) 2011-estimate
    --- Total $17.872-billion[3]
    --- Per capita $1,127[3]
    GDP-(nominal) 2011-estimate
    --- Total $10.600-billion[3]
    --- Per capita $668[3]
    Gini-(2001) 40.1-(medium
    HDI (2007) 0.371-(low-/ 178th)
    Currency West African CFA franc (XOF)
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    a. As the Sudanese Republic, with Senegal as the Mali Federation.
    Mali i/ˈmɑːli/, officially the Republic of Mali (French: République du Mali, French pronunciation:-​[maˈli]), is a landlocked country in West Africa. Mali is bordered by Algeria on the north, Niger on the east, Burkina Faso and Côte d'Ivoire on the south, Guinea on the south-west, and Senegal and Mauritania on the west. Its size is just over 1,240,000 square kilometres (480,000-sq-mi) with a population of 14.5-million. Its capital is Bamako. Mali consists of eight regions and its borders on the north reach deep into the middle of the Sahara, while the country's southern part, where the majority of inhabitants live, features the Niger and Sénégal rivers. The country's economic structure centers around agriculture and fishing. Some of Mali's prominent natural resources include gold, uranium, and salt. About half the population live below the international poverty line of US$1.25 a day.[5]

    Present-day Mali was once part of three West African empires that controlled trans-Saharan trade: the Ghana Empire, the Mali Empire (from which Mali is named), and the Songhai Empire. During its golden age, there was a flourishing of mathematics, astronomy, literature, and art.[6][7] Mali was once the site of one of the richest and largest empires in the world.[8][9] Mali was also one of the earliest nations to make a declaration of human rights.[10] In the late 19th century, during the Scramble for Africa, France seized control of Mali, making it a part of French Sudan. French Sudan (then known as the Sudanese Republic) joined with Senegal in 1959, achieving independence in 1960 as the Mali Federation. Shortly thereafter, following Senegal's withdrawal from the federation, the Sudanese Republic declared itself the independent Republic of Mali. After a long period of one-party rule, a 1991 coup led to the writing of a new constitution and the establishment of Mali as a democratic, multi-party state.

    On 22 March 2012, a group of junior soldiers seized control of the presidential palace and declared the government dissolved and its constitution suspended.[11] On 6 April 2012, rebels from the National Movement for the Liberation of Azawad (MNLA) declared the secession of a new state, Azawad, from Mali.[12] Shortly after, the MNLA were sidelined by Islamist groups associated with Al-Qaeda, and dropped their demands for secession. The soldiers who seized power allowed Dioncounda Traoré, the President of the National Assembly, to take office as head of state in accordance with the constitution, but they have continued to wield considerable power. Plans to re-take the north with international assistance are being formulated, after which the interim government plans to hold the long-delayed national elections.
     
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    Re: France launches air strike on al-Qaeda in Mali

    It's flag comparison time, folks!

    France, and its allies in Syria:
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    France, and its enemies in Mali:
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    Re: France launches air strike on al-Qaeda in Mali

    ^ That is not surprising to anyone who isn't blind about policies of the west.
     
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    First rule of war - Never fight Islamists in a foreign country. You'll most probably end up getting owned.
     
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    French operation fails in Somalia

    French hostage believed killed in Somalia raid, as military operation continues in Mali
    A French hostage is believed to have been killed in a bungled commando raid in Somalia, as the French military continued a separate African operation in Mali.

    By Telegraph reporter and agencies in Bamako, Mali
    10:01AM GMT 12 Jan 2013

    The French defence ministry said they believed the hostage, Denis Allex, a French secret agent who was kidnapped by Somali Islamists in 2009, had been killed.

    One of the French would-be rescuers also died and another French soldier was believed to have been taken captive. Seventeen Somalian fighters were also killed.

    The commando operation was launched on Friday night, hours after French forces began a major offensive against Islamist rebels in Mali.

    They were apparently trying to rescue Mr Allex out of fears that he could be executed in revenge, by Shabab fighters who, like the Mali rebels, support al Qaeda. But the mission, in a town near the capital Mogadishu, appears to have gone badly wrong.

    "Commandos broke into where Allex was being detained last night and immediately faced strong resistance. Everything leads us to believe that Denis Allex was unfortunately killed by his captors," Jean-Yves Le Drian, the Defence Minister, told a news conference.

    A shabab spokesman claimed that the hostage was safe and well, far away from where the raid was carried out.

    Mr Allex had been training Somali fighters loyal to the government when he was seized with a comrade who later managed to escape.

    In another blow to France, a pilot died during operations against rebels in Mali, in what appears to be a dramatic new western military intervention in the former French colony.

    The pilot was fatally injured during a helicopter attack on Friday afternoon to repulse rebel forces near Konna, a key desert town.

    "During this intense combat, one of our pilots... was fatally wounded," said Jean-Yves Le Drian, the French Defence Minister.

    Special forces were among hundreds of French troops and Malian government soldiers who drove rebels out of the town on Saturday, turning back a rebel advance.

    More: French hostage believed killed in Somalia raid, as military operation continues in Mali - Telegraph
     
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    Re: French operation fails in Somalia

    France décadent :taunt:

    It isn't even capable to face ----ing craps somalis warriors, and thinks it is yet a power with capacity to face Syria! :lol:

    France is now the second empire that put their hands in Somalia and was beaten after. First were Americans in 1993 attack against Mogadish when somali warriors had downed two Black Hawk helicopters and killed several yankees soldiers.
     
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    lol your comparisons are awful,

    In 1993, how many US solders you Somalis have killed? 18-25 + 2 Black hawk. Right?
    And in that battle how many Somalis killed by US? Several hundred. Now justify your self, how US is defeated??

    One side you have country who don’t care about its 100s of citizen and on other hand a country who can and is fighting for its every single citizen.

    Same goes with French.
     
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    I'm not Somali or in behalf to Somali salafist terrorists.

    US was not defeated. Never there a officially proclaimed war among US and Somalia, but just an UN operation. Don't happening war, there is not a winner or a looser. France, the same. An operation can be sucessful ou failed. What defines sucess isn't the size of enemies killed, but the operation's goal. France's goal was to rescue a french citizen. Did it achieve the goal? No, then it failed. The victim was killed, and it lost two soldiers yet.

    How Somalia can to care about their citizens if it has no own state to do this? Somalia dont care about their citizen because it hasnt a sovereign government to do it, and not that it were a terrorist assassin state. And if Somalia has no sovereign the culprit is Western imperialism through UN 'peace' operations.
     
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    Re: French operation fails in Somalia

    People have said this a million times since 9/11, that when you feed a snake to bite your enemy, that snake one day will bite you back; so never create a Frankenstein. I hope the French government realizes it is best to quit supporting the Wahhabi insurgents in Syria.
     
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    Lets see, we killed 17 Shabab terrorists and 100 Malian terrorists helping the government retake the city. All at the loss of a couple men, how did we lose? We are the only power in region willing to exercise force.
     
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    Nopes you being reassigned the role France had during the cold war in that part of the world.

    Gone are the days of France bullying african colonies they have the chinese card to play.

    But for me so long France kills islamists good for world peace :)
     
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    Yep, being assigned the role of African hegemon leaves a great responsibility to France. After Black Hawk Down the US doesn't want to touch it.

    Here to stay is the day France rules Africa. They aren't crying to China to save them as they have no power projection.
     
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    France rule Africa am surprised are you being delusional or serious.

    China doesn't need power projection there the amount its injecting there is buying allegiance of many african leaders.

    France is struggling to secure Niger from where it sources its uranium which it packages to sell Areva nuclear power plants.

    France ambition for a superpower is like the ego of a lost diva.
     
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    Quite serious, we hold all the power.

    China buys them, we kick them out. Hard power always trumps soft.

    Areva doesn't have any problem getting uranium. The price is dirt cheap which makes opening new mines losing money. We already make 88% profit off Nigeria.

    And yet we continue to kick ass.
     
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    Hold power like what bombing Libya whose air defence system was in tatters after years of sanctions.

    Power like in Ivory coast or the recent bullying in Somalia.

    First get control of AQMI who are showing you the middle finger and they are in Sahel.

    Between if attacking african is power for you then good :p


    Economic and military might are considered hard power :)

    So China is using most cost effective by not sending troops it get Sudan oil, Zimbabwe, Congo natural resources and you have not kicked them out but instead acknowledge that the Chinese are playing in your FORMER backyard


    Do not delude yourself one of the attractive packages of Areva is that it guarantees its customer continuous flow of uranium reserves and its difficult to replace Niger which hold (7.4% of world reserves) other main suppliers are Russia,Kazakhstan and Australia who cannot be robbed :)
    Uranium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Does that satisfy your ego centric mindset.

    Kick ass of what.. Piggy backing NATO after they almost finished major combat ops in Afghanistan beginning 2001.

    No entry in Iraq 2003, taking on soft targets doesn't prove anything.

    Its like a 30 yr old man punches a 14 yr old teenager to prove his manliness
     
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